SS and Fury


Animal_Mutha_EU

 

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I started a Brute this morning ( day off woohoo! ) and decided to go for SS/Fire. SS because Rage sounds interesting and Knockout Blow seems really early for that kind of attack. Fire I chose because of the early self heal , Consume and having 2 powers for all resists.

I have the following attacks, Jab, Punch, Boxing and Knockout Blow. I am using the first 3 with Brawl to build up Fury and Knockout Blow to take out nasty enemies. Given that I have gone for the fast cheap attacks, has skipping Haymaker been a mistake, currently it doesn't seem that way?

Now what suprised me was that with a good head of Fury ( 50-60% ), Knockout Blow 'seems' to be as effective as a Stalker Assassin's Strike ( from memory ). Is this only because I am such low level ( 10 ) or is a Brute with fury able to compete damage wise with a stalker's special attack.


@Unthing ... Mostly on Union.

 

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Knockout Blow is a brilliant attack, although it is rather end-heavy (and I need to slot it with some EndRedux SOs asap). I can take down white/yellow minions in one blow with it, and severely hamper yellow+ LTs and bosses. Haymaker, on the other hand, is less of a hog on my endurance and can therefore be used more frequently: I use that almost as a matter of course in the attack chain. Has a reasonable knockdown chance and damage for the endurance cost. Worth getting, for my money

So I think the advice is 'take it when you get the chance'...


 

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I picked up Haymaker at lvl 4 and haven't regretted it. My brute (SS/INV) is at lvl 24 and with (almost) full fury I'm taking off a good amount of HPs from even level minions, usually about half their life, with Haymaker. With Rage, even more, but I usually save Rage for bosses until I can get it slotted properly. IIRC, I only have one DO and one TO for damage in Haymaker, so there's still room for improvement. And of course, the knockdown can be a lifesaver at times.

KO Blow is amazing, regularily one-shotting whites and yellows. It is a bit pricy end-wise, so I wait for Fury to build before using it unless I really need to get something off it's feet for a while.

I also picked up Air Superiority on my Brute. With AS, Haymaker and KO Blow I can keep one target pretty much permanently knocked down. Haymaker is a bit less reliable with knockdown though, think it's about 50% chance.


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In my experience i use Haymaker more often then KO Blow as KO cost so much end. I mainly use KO on bosses only.

here cheked som stats with "Hero Builder" And Base dmg of KO is 9.8 Base of Assasin is 19.4
This is an index from brawl if i understand the calcualtions right.

An brute with full fury gets *3 wich gets it to 29.4
But then an stalker attacking from Hide gets *6 wich gets the base dmg up to 116,4
No use countung in rage as stalkers have Build up wich adds the same precentage Dmg


 

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I picked up Haymaker at lvl 2 and have slotted Brawl and Jab with recharges so I can build Fury pretty effectively.

I look at Haymaker as my Lt killer and KO'Blow as my Boss killer.

There was a post on the US forums that suggested that KO'Blow was the most effective attack in terms of damage to Endurance cost and that it's damage exceeded Brawl, Jab, Punch and Haymaker combined!

Slot up KO'Blow 2x Acc 2x Recharge and 2x End Redux and see how you get on!


 

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In my experience i use Haymaker more often then KO Blow as KO cost so much end. I mainly use KO on bosses only.

here cheked som stats with "Hero Builder" And Base dmg of KO is 9.8 Base of Assasin is 19.4
This is an index from brawl if i understand the calcualtions right.

An brute with full fury gets *3 wich gets it to 29.4
But then an stalker attacking from Hide gets *6 wich gets the base dmg up to 116,4
No use countung in rage as stalkers have Build up wich adds the same precentage Dmg

[/ QUOTE ]That base of assassin has to be from hide, because it does pretty low damage out of it.
However, remember that with 3 damage slots and build up it will be around 19.4* 3, which will be around 58.


 

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In my experience i use Haymaker more often then KO Blow as KO cost so much end. I mainly use KO on bosses only.

here cheked som stats with "Hero Builder" And Base dmg of KO is 9.8 Base of Assasin is 19.4
This is an index from brawl if i understand the calcualtions right.

An brute with full fury gets *3 wich gets it to 29.4
But then an stalker attacking from Hide gets *6 wich gets the base dmg up to 116,4
No use countung in rage as stalkers have Build up wich adds the same precentage Dmg

[/ QUOTE ]That base of assassin has to be from hide, because it does pretty low damage out of it.
However, remember that with 3 damage slots and build up it will be around 19.4* 3, which will be around 58.

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But Build Up from a stalker is only 80% IIRC. So the max damage from a stalker AS is 19.4 * 2.8 = 54.32. If AS is not from hide it does only moderate damage as the previous poster stated.

For Brutes, it depends on whether Fury is a damage buff or an increase to base damage like criticals
1) Base Damage, Knockout blow will be 9.8 * 2.8 ( Rage + 3 Sos ) = 27.44, times 3 from fury this is 82.32.
2) Damage buff, it will be 9.8 * ( 1 + 1.0 (SOs) + 0.8 (Rage) + 2(Fury) = 9.8 * 4.8 = 47.04.
Do you know which it is, I suspect the 2nd one but I don't have any evidence. If the 2nd case is the correct one then slotting for damage may not be the best strategy, slotting for stuff to keep your fury high ( end reds ) may be more important.

Brawl indices aren't equal though, I think Brutes are higher than stalkers. So they do about the same damage in ideal circumstances....


@Unthing ... Mostly on Union.

 

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pve wise i think you have picked a very damaging and offensive combo, i also would of took haymaker first for lower end cost faster recharge better attack chain. id like to see the effect of rage on burn i know its outstanding on knockout blow. pvp wise id imagine energy melee toggle dropping everyone and making kills lighter i am so torn between ss/fire and en/fire myself and cos i have an invuln/ss i went for en/fire for somit new. i want a completely psychotic brute that just berserkers in anyway even if RotP is my main attack.


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AFAIK, fury is damage buff, because if it was base damage bonus there wouldn't be a reason to give brutes that 850% damage buff cap.