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Don't know what you're on about. Masterminds are by far the worst PvP AT that villains could take. The MM itself is just too squishy to survive long enough for the pets to do any decent kind of damage.
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well ff/robot mm's are bloody evil, that force bubble thingie or their personal field stops any attack 99% of the time, so they aint so squishy 
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Aim+Build up (slotted with tohit buffs) will take care of that. As will having a well slotted tactics, or popping a few yellow inspirations. I'll hit them a fair amount of the time anyway, because all my attacks have 2 acc in them. If I saw one running PFF, I'd probably go for the pets anyway to try to goad the MM into dropping the PFF to heal/buff the pets.
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I fight with my lvl 16 dark/dark brute
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Thinking about it that says alot.
Am i right in guessing you dont have mez protection yet?
My stalker was much weaker before he got mez protection. try reaching lvl 22+ first, and then see what u think.
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What were you doing with your AoEs?
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I was using them !
Basicly this stalker was in the hero base with 2 of his stalker buddies, i saw them and used quicksand to hold them in place and freezing rain to uncloak them and then sat back to watch the npc's turn them into corndog.
I think he was just narked that i could actualy see him.
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What were you doing with your AoEs?
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I was using them !
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Using AoEs on a stalker is definitely griefing. So is moving around. So is using Tactics, Focussed Accuracy, Targetting Drone or Insight inspirations. So is having any friends nearby. So is using PBAoEs and burn patches. So is standing in water.
You should stand still, unstealthed talking loudly on broadcast so the Stalker can find you. 
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Basicly this stalker was in the hero base with 2 of his stalker buddies, i saw them and used quicksand to hold them in place and freezing rain to uncloak them and then sat back to watch the npc's turn them into corndog.
I think he was just narked that i could actualy see him.
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Nice one!
@Unthing ... Mostly on Union.
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The villains are 'moaning' because they are at an extreme disadvantage. Because of the way the exemping system works, even though that hero is at the same level as you for combat, your powers are going to work a load better, because he's actually at that level, and you've been exemped down.
If they actually level-limited the zones instead of running the dump auto-SK/exemp system, the battles would be:
A) Fairer
B) Easier to work out if you've got valid balance.
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This is the ideal, and only fair way to auto-exemp in lower level pvp areas - good post.
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Well, yes, until a hero with a rich benefactor (Alt, Sg or whatever) comes in fully slotted. Given the number of >40s in paragon, and the relative sparcity of inf in the rogue islands- it will be heroes slotting SOs first.
So, at most, you'd push the situation back maybe a week while people leveled new alts exclusivly for PvP and then slotted them from the piggybank. Although i doubt you'd even do that, as the more dedicated PvPers would have seen a level cap in beta and started leveling a toon earlier.
What you would effectivly achieve is
A) punishing casual PvPers (ie. me, and most of my SG). Who are unlikely to keep alts at the right levels for long.
B) Punish anyone who hadn't previously leveled a high toon, less inf to support the new toon- and pres to earn too.
C) punish anyone who HAS leveld a high toon. As they have to wait for Recluses Victory to get into a PvP zone, with that toon. Which would be irksome.
D) Give the dedicated PvPers an even greater advantage. As their pre-leveled, fully slotted, PvP only alts have the run of the zone for a while. Learning the land, getting the temp powers, and pratising their techniques. I fully expect a dedicated PvPer to beat me, but I would like to have the option of trying to learn something from them, before they get THAT much of a headstart.
E) Completly fail to achieve the "fairer" zone.
F) Even if you could balance all the ATs perfectly (which I sincely doubt) you'd have to do it all over again when the villans picked up a full slotting of SOs. So really you gain nothing, but annoying a large chunk of the playerbase, and the people [censored]ing about the SO situation- WOULD STILL BE [censored]ING ABOUT IT.
Not to mention that if you take a look over the thread, many villans have said they have no problems against Heroes. I guess it all comes down to player perspective.
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Ok in all of that confusion, I basically see you not liking the idea of exemping the enhancement slots as well as the general level of a player (hero or villain) because of the "hard work" they'd put in to levelling and developing a pvp character?
What he was suggesting was making the auto-exemp system fairer for lower levels... not just the villians.
Basically if a lvl 50 goes to BB, their level is dropped to 25... however their enhancements are still (for example) 6-slotted lvl 50 SOs.... fair? No.
Auto-exemping to drop the 50's enhancement slots as well makes it fair for the players who actually are lvl 25... If you'd end up gettin narked that you're not as powerful in that pvp area... go to a higher-level pvp area! nuff said.
"Punishing" players has nothing to do with it - making fights fairer is the point... Unfair pvp is just tiresome and boring.
When I hear people argue against the idea of dropping the enhancement levels to be the same as the player level.... all I see is a bunch of gankers crying cos they're not able to pick on lower levels.
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Ok, I dont like to moan, but I do it anyway. I think PvP against heroes and villains is hero biast. I fight with my lvl 16 dark/dark brute and fighting is just stupid. Heroes use holds, stuns, knock downs etc, and even with the combined power of several villains we cant do jack [censored]. I stock myself up with breaks and heals and still its impossible. Now, I admit that I havnt built my char around pvp, but surely EVERYONE should have a chance to fight?
I don't know, I've only ever seen 2 heroes be defeated, and thats with plenty of masterminds. I hope im not the only one who feels like this, but something feels very unfair.
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I have to admit there does seem to be alot of moaning from villains lately about heroes using there powers to there best ability..one example is a certain stalker who petitioned me for what he called 'abuse of my AOE's'.
Now correct me if i'm wrong but cryptic gave us those powers to use and we should not have to ask if we can use a power on a villain first .. its a pvp zone .. suck it up or don't go there.
Anya Stormwind.
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lol, there are people who will bug the hell out of all of us from time to time, Anyas flight and anti-fly is evil IMO as are accursed NRG and fire Blasters with anti toggle and we all know about hurricane but still it is a pvp zone. Once Villains are au fait with their abilities, specced to pvp and slotted fully the tide will turn as indeed it already does when you can get a good team together.
Main problem imo is the lack of use at the moment, I just wish there were more people in there, if one side has more than the other I usually swap over and try to get more together.
oh and everyone to bloody bay on tuesday at 7.30 for some mass carnage on defiant
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master minds are powerful
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Don't know what you're on about. Masterminds are by far the worst PvP AT that villains could take. The MM itself is just too squishy to survive long enough for the pets to do any decent kind of damage.
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well ff/robot mm's are bloody evil, that force bubble thingie or their personal field stops any attack 99% of the time, so they aint so squishy
as for pvp being on hero side, PAH! its lal up for chance of the amount of peeps on and AT's, if villains get alot of stalkers online etc heroes are doomed period, if heroes had no end of trollers villains would be screwed so thats about it ;D