Basic Bases: The Lowdown from the GoD Perspective
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Dark_Stone,
Posted on: 2005-10-31 09:19 in Roleplaying
Regarding Prestige and Startup
A fully-alt-padded (to 15) RP SG can start with 300,000 Prestige.As we can see above, the minimum for a functional base allowing the use of salvage is 910,000 prestige, a variance of 610,000.
Over the course of roughly 10 hours play, it seems that the average level 35 will earn 15k prestige, or about 1500 prestige per hour. At that rate, it will take approximatly 400 player-hours to achieve the minimum value.
The GoD has a core playerbase of roughly six players. Assuming that we play for two hours a night on average (I have chosen this lower number because this must be levelling time, not RP time), that's 12 player-hours a day.
Extending this logically, we find that we can afford a bare-minium base in 33 days. Accounting for weekends and so forth, a month.
This is what i mean about not worrying about rushing it for now. Unfortunately we just dont have the players in the SG to net huge amounts of prestige... so why worry? by the time we get enough to build a basic SG, we're going to have Salvage out of our eyeballs - which means we can start equipping the bugger like a good-un.
I'm still hearing nothing about rent.
Does the base builder give you any idea of what the monthly rent will be?
(I'm asking since I'm kind of guessing that my lowly 100k of Prestige isn't going to be enough for it to even let me start the editor.)
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Oh, it will, you'll just be limited to adding decorative items to your 2x2 entry room and won't be able to place additional rooms.
That said, a 2x2 is easily the size of a small house in SWG, the sizes are deceptive.
I've seen the Vigil's shoe box, it looks large, but with the restrictions on placement of objects, I'm not sure how much I could actually get in there.
If it'll let me actually go look, I'll go look tonight. Otherwise, I shall be playing with my hero-clix figures. 
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Attached in the zipfile linked below are three basic base variants in Excel format.
They use the free (8x8) plot which you recieve to start with. The first two have enough power and control to run a Basic Tech Worktable. The third, because of the needs of the teleporter, has enough to run an Advanced Worktable.
GoD Initial Options - ZIP FILE
The three variants:
BASIC (910,000 Prestige)
BASIC + RP ROOM (1,060,000 Prestige)
BASIC + TELEPORT (1,291,000 Prestige)
Note that it is possible to have a large RP room for the same cost as a small one in the second variant, because all decorative rooms are 150k prestige. This variant makes the most effective use of space within the plot, but does not allow for a teleporter.
Note also that it is impossible to have an RP room in the third variant because of restrictions on placement within plots (upgrading to the next plotsize would be required, for roughly 3,000,000 prestige).
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It's possible to get a decorative room in along with a teleporter. If you pay 150k for control 2 instead of control 1, you can fit a studio room in too, although it adds 200k to the cost of the more expensive base to do so.
1.5 Million... what were the devs thinking when they set the costs? This isn't anywhere close to a PvP raidable base either.
I'm not sure exactly how you managed to fit those rooms in, since no base room walls may touch. E-mail me the xls sheet in which you managed it.
Incidentally, there is no restriction on what decorative items you put into what rooms. Apart from the fact that it needs a power generator in it, there's nothing to stop you from decorating the power room as a bedroom or office or whatever.
Control 2 costs 150K and is a 4X1 rather than a 2x2 room. If you run it along the edge of the plot there's just enough room left in the centre for a studio hub room.
Actually, depending if you are allowed to touch corners, there's enough room left for either a 3x1 or a 4x1 on the plot, although I'm not sure what rooms come in 3x1...
Just to break in again:
So, you guys haven't seen anything about rent? Or am I just missing something you've posted?
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Not a clue birdy, I know it's proportional to the value of the base and then 1-3% on banked prestige.
I _think_ that if you have only decorative items you can still use the base if you're in arrears on the rent, it only stops the power and control from working.
Subject 77 has a base now. It's just using the entry room, but with the 20,000 Prestige you get I managed to furnish it out.
Cue Cara proudly dragging Minako, Doc, Jason and Liz down there to show his little home off.
Awwww! Kawaii! I wanna see!
Stupid work computers that I can't play CoH on....
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Subject 77 has a base now. It's just using the entry room, but with the 20,000 Prestige you get I managed to furnish it out.
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Cool, I've got 100k to play with, I may be able to manage... err, more furniture!
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Cue Cara proudly dragging Minako, Doc, Jason and Liz down there to show his little home off.
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Luckily, there's that base portal near GG, so we can all go and show off bases to each other.
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I've heard nothing specific about rent *costs*, but nonpayment of rent doesn't apparently preclude access to your base, it just deactivates items dependend upon control and power (i.e. all crafted items with uses, rather than the decoratyness we RPers love).
For 1,491,000 Prestige we can obtain the Basic Functional base with an RP room in the center as a hub, rather than having to use the control room as a hub. This will give us more raw floorspace, at the cost of a further 150k.
ZIP File of Baseplan with RP Room as Hub and Teleporter
Note that we will also have to budget for decorations.
I have also noted that if we utilise the potential for arcane fixtures correctly, magic and tech oriented 'personal spaces' could be created even from functional rooms (such as the power room). I personally don't recommend this though since it's always annoying to have your carefully decorated room trashed when you need to install a bigger generator 
Concerning Base Rent
Information from the US boards indicates that 'rent' is based on a flat percentatge of the SG prestige total, both in 'unspent' prestige and in 'spent' prestige. The rate apparently starts at 1%, and tops out at 3% at 170 million prestige.
Thus, for our hypothetical elementary base of 1,491,000, assuming we had no 'unspent' prestige and had placed no personal or auxiliary items, the rent would be 14,910 prestige per rent period.
I have yet to track down the rent period, though indications are that it will either be biweekly or bimonthly. Let's hope for the latter. However, biweekly would not be unsurmountable since that is only eight man-days of collection, or roughly one of the full group.
So... earning Prestige is actually a bad thing? i.e. Even if you don't spend it, you'll get it taken off you because you have more of it?
That has to be the lamest concept I've ever heard of, and this game has some lame concepts.
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I would have preferred to see a flat rate based on base size, but it's not quite as doom as all that, just as with taxation.
Earn a hundred prestige, you'll end up with 99 prestige. Earn a thousand prestige, you'll still end up with 990 prestige.
What it does do is slowly trickle stored prestige away, though it would take over 920 rental periods to reduce an amount of unincreased stored prestige to 1% of its original total (due to the nature of percentage-of-the-whole taxation).
This figure is of course misleading since in most cases the prestige will not be liquid capital but spent base items. Accordingly there will be a strong requirement for continuous rather than 'stockpile and stop' prestige gathering, probably an impetus to ensure that people have to do the 'inf or prestige' balancing question more often.
This presents a difficulty for the 'gather and expand' method of base building, however, since as your base enlarges, there is no potential cap on rental payment. This means that if you spend a year slowly earning influence to buy a large base, you will need to spend correspondingly large amounts of time earning prestige to support it, and if your (net gather in tax period) is less than your (1% taxation), you will never be able to switch your base on (though your debt cannot grow). While it seems logical that the larger a base gets, the larger the rental should be, this does mean that there will be a point at which no matter how long a supergroup of size 'x' plays the game and stocks up prestige, they will not be able to expand their base further.
Probably. I begin to think Cryptic got all their programmers from the local inland revenue service.
Luckily, I really don't have the issue. I really have given up bothering collecting Prestige. I'll likely have a binge on it once in a while.
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Attached in the zipfile linked below are three basic base variants in Excel format.
They use the free (8x8) plot which you recieve to start with. The first two have enough power and control to run a Basic Tech Worktable. The third, because of the needs of the teleporter, has enough to run an Advanced Worktable.
GoD Initial Options - ZIP FILE
The three variants:
BASIC (910,000 Prestige)
BASIC + RP ROOM (1,060,000 Prestige)
BASIC + TELEPORT (1,291,000 Prestige)
Note that it is possible to have a large RP room for the same cost as a small one in the second variant, because all decorative rooms are 150k prestige. This variant makes the most effective use of space within the plot, but does not allow for a teleporter.
Note also that it is impossible to have an RP room in the third variant because of restrictions on placement within plots (upgrading to the next plotsize would be required, for roughly 3,000,000 prestige).