I do not use Touch of Fear.
As you reach the softcap numbers, ToF will end up just being a waste of time.
I guess it could be useful against enemies with a tohit buff,
Also, I never took Elude on my DM/SR.
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Variant: Level 50 Mutation Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Super Reflexes
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Shadow Punch -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(3), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(3), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), RechRdx-I(9)
Level 1: Focused Fighting -- RedFtn-Def(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(7), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(7), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(9), RedFtn-EndRdx(48), Ksmt-ToHit+(50)
Level 2: Smite -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(11), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(11), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(13), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), RechRdx-I(15)
Level 4: Focused Senses -- RedFtn-Def(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(15), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(17), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48), RedFtn-EndRdx(50)
Level 6: Swift -- Run-I(A), Run-I(17), Run-I(19)
Level 8: Siphon Life -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/Rchg(31), Mako-Acc/Dmg(34), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(36), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(36), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 10: Agile -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(27), GftotA-Run+(27)
Level 12: Practiced Brawler -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 14: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Heal(36), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(37), Numna-Heal(37), RgnTis-Regen+(37), RgnTis-Heal/EndRdx(39)
Level 16: Dodge -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(31), GftotA-Run+(31)
Level 18: Dark Consumption -- Armgdn-Dmg(A), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(40), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(43), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(45)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(21), P'Shift-EndMod(23), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(23)
Level 22: Quickness -- Run-I(A), Run-I(25), Run-I(25)
Level 24: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(40)
Level 26: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 28: Lucky -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(29), GftotA-Run+(29)
Level 30: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 32: Midnight Grasp -- Hectmb-Dmg(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(33), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(33), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(34), RechRdx-I(34)
Level 35: Evasion -- RedFtn-Def(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(45), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(45), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48), RedFtn-EndRdx(50)
Level 38: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(39), GftotA-Run+(39)
Level 41: Focused Accuracy -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(42), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(42), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(42), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(43), GSFC-Build%(43)
Level 44: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(46), RechRdx-I(46)
Level 47: Combat Jumping -- GftotA-Run+(A)
Level 49: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I(A), Run-I(19), Run-I(21)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
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Thanks, Vitality. I know that as you approach the soft-cap, the to-hit debuffs become pretty meaningless. At 50, I will probably work on softcapping the build, and drop elude. But my build prior to that will still see some benefit from Touch of Fear. How often do you find you are using Dark Consumption? Is it a quality of life power, or necessary due to the endurance consumption of the build?
Maybe I'll drop DC for Touch of Fear on the way up.
Maybe I should just play the build and figure it out for myself as I go along, too. Heh. 
Mixlplick
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Well the use of DC depends on your build...your recovery rate and your endurance use and how you slot your attacks.
I run 9 toggles...I basically use DC everytime it's up...unless i have a recovery buff from teammates.
I also have Conserve Power but I try to use that as little as possible.
I guess I'll just level to 30, and decide between the two powers then. I don't know if I want to run 9 toggles!!
Mix
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I guess I'll just level to 30, and decide between the two powers then. I don't know if I want to run 9 toggles!!
Mix
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Yeah I'm sure you won't need to run 9 toggles. I don't have to run all 9...but I do because I have the endurance and recovery tools to do so.
I don't use Touch of Fear. I hear it's great while leveling up. I didn't bother. I'm soft-capped, so no Elude. I tried Elude out before I was at the soft cap, and hated it.
If you have Dark Consumption, you aren't likely to need Conserve Power for regular play. I have both, but I'm soloing AVs without inspirations. On the other hand, you won't likely need Elude for normal play. I think you're much better off popping a purple to put yourself at the soft cap than popping Elude then using inspirations to recover from the crash.
In normal play, I use Dark Consumption and Conserve Power very rarely, so in theory, I could probably make do without either in normal play.
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I don't use ToF in my build, never had it, and don't miss it... [I do have in currently on my DM/Regen]
I make use of DC but its rather infrequent, my recovery is pretty decent and I don't normally need it, unless I'm running sprint.
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Shado-Strike v2.5: Level 50 Mutation Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Super Reflexes
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Darkness Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Smite -- Mako-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx:50(3), Mako-Dmg/Rchg:50(3), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:50(15), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(29), Hectmb-Dam%:50(34)
Level 1: Focused Fighting -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx:50(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg:50(7), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg:50(9), RedFtn-Def:50(17), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(31)
Level 2: Focused Senses -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx:50(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg:50(7), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg:50(11), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(21), RedFtn-Def:50(31), RedFtn-EndRdx:50(34)
Level 4: Shadow Punch -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg:40(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:40(5), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:40(5), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(11), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(15), T'Death-Dam%:40(29)
Level 6: Swift -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 8: Siphon Life -- Mako-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:50(9), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(13), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx:50(13), Heal-I:50(46), Heal-I:50(46)
Level 10: Practiced Brawler -- RechRdx-I:50(A)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(45), RechRdx-I:50(45)
Level 14: Combat Jumping -- Zephyr-Travel:50(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:50(17)
Level 16: Health -- Numna-Heal:50(A), Mrcl-Heal:40(25), RgnTis-Regen+:30(39), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(39), Heal-I:50(46), Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(50)
Level 18: Dark Consumption -- P'Shift-EndMod:50(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg:50(19), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg:50(19), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg:50(21), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc:50(40)
Level 20: Quickness -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 22: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg:50(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc:50(23), P'Shift-EndMod:50(23), P'Shift-End%:50(31)
Level 24: Dodge -- LkGmblr-Def:50(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(25)
Level 26: Soul Drain -- Oblit-Dmg:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(27), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(27), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(39), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(40), Oblit-%Dam:50(48)
Level 28: Kick -- T'Death-Dam%:40(A)
Level 30: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(34), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:50(37), Aegis-ResDam:50(37), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg:50(40), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:50(43)
Level 32: Midnight Grasp -- Mako-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx:50(33), Mako-Dmg/Rchg:50(33), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:50(33), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(37), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(43)
Level 35: Weave -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx:50(A), RedFtn-Def:50(36), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(36), RedFtn-Def/Rchg:50(36)
Level 38: Evasion -- RedFtn-Def:50(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx:50(42), RedFtn-Def/Rchg:50(42), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(43)
Level 41: Agile -- LkGmblr-Def:40(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(42)
Level 44: Lucky -- LkGmblr-Def:50(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(45)
Level 47: Torrent -- Posi-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx:50(48), Posi-Dmg/Rchg:50(48), Posi-Dmg/Rng:50(50), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(50)
Level 49: Hurdle -- Jump-I:50(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
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50's: Heroes: Ozmeth DB/WP; Black Decker DM/Regen; Shado-Strike DM/SR Scrapper (13 AV soloed); Desert-Shock Claws/Elec Scrapper; Shado-Shriek Dark/Son Def
Villains: Bokken Nin/Nin
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Thank you all for your replies! It looks like I won't miss Touch of Fear should I choose not to take it. Or I may drop Elude for it!
Cheers!
Mix
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Telemachus -- Sonic/Ice Blaster
Hi there folks,
DM/SR was my first Scrapper back in I3. I made it to about 28, and then got into Defenders.
I'm back at it, starting from scratch.
This is a tight, tight, build and it's almost where I want it to be, generic IO wise--but I had to skip Touch of Fear to fit all of the SR powers in. (I know most people like to approach the soft cap, and drop Elude, but for now I want to keep it for the "hero moment"). The thing that's driving me crazy is Touch of Fear has that sweet, sweet to-hit debuff that works so well with SR, and is great for difficult targets.
My question is this: With Dark Consumption in the build, is Conserve Power ulitmately necessary for the Elude crash? I play out both scenarios in my head: Elude crash, pop blue, conserve power, re-toggle, continue. Elude crash, pop blue, pop Dark Consumption, re-toggle, hope to god your endurance holds out with no recovery until everyone is arrested.
Reasoning it out here, it sounds like the first option is best, and I'll have to wait 'til I softcap, drop Elude, and possibly Conserve Power to take Touch of Fear, and some other goody. But I really like the superheroness of Elude.
How long does the negative recovery last? Mid's doesn't say.
Do any of you DM/SR players out there not use Touch of Fear? If you do, where do you fit it? Do you wait 'til you're softcapped to drop Elude?
Any insight or advice would be appreciated!
Thanks,
Mixlplick
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Flickershow: Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Super Reflexes
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Shadow Punch -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(3), Dmg-I(7), Dmg-I(15), Dmg-I(34), EndRdx-I(40)
Level 1: Focused Fighting -- EndRdx-I(A), DefBuff-I(15), DefBuff-I(21), DefBuff-I(42)
Level 2: Smite -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(3), Dmg-I(7), Dmg-I(13), Dmg-I(25), EndRdx-I(37)
Level 4: Shadow Maul -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(5), Dmg-I(5), Dmg-I(13), Dmg-I(23), EndRdx-I(37)
Level 6: Focused Senses -- EndRdx-I(A), DefBuff-I(17), DefBuff-I(19), DefBuff-I(43)
Level 8: Siphon Life -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(9), Dmg-I(9), Dmg-I(11), Dmg-I(25), EndRdx-I(37)
Level 10: Practiced Brawler -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- DefBuff-I(A)
Level 14: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 16: Dodge -- DefBuff-I(A), DefBuff-I(17), DefBuff-I(43)
Level 18: Health -- Heal-I(A), Heal-I(19), Heal-I(46)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(21), EndMod-I(45)
Level 22: Agile -- DefBuff-I(A), DefBuff-I(23), DefBuff-I(45)
Level 24: Quickness -- Run-I(A), Run-I(46), Run-I(46)
Level 26: Soul Drain -- Acc-I(A), RechRdx-I(27), RechRdx-I(27), RechRdx-I(29), EndRdx-I(36), EndRdx-I(39)
Level 28: Lucky -- DefBuff-I(A), DefBuff-I(29), DefBuff-I(45)
Level 30: Dark Consumption -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(31), RechRdx-I(31), RechRdx-I(31), EndMod-I(34), EndMod-I(40)
Level 32: Midnight Grasp -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(33), Dmg-I(33), Dmg-I(33), Dmg-I(34), EndRdx-I(40)
Level 35: Evasion -- EndRdx-I(A), DefBuff-I(36), DefBuff-I(36), DefBuff-I(43)
Level 38: Elude -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(39), RechRdx-I(39)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 44: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 47: Tough -- EndRdx-I(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(48), ResDam-I(48), ResDam-I(48)
Level 49: Weave -- EndRdx-I(A), DefBuff-I(50), DefBuff-I(50), DefBuff-I(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
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Telemachus -- Sonic/Ice Blaster