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I tried holding aggro on the ITF with my WP scrapper, and I got stomped. I had 26 defense to smashing lethal, about 500 regen, and the usual ~50 res to S/L. I got stomped HARD. Will this get better once I reach my goal of 46 def to S/L? Cause seriously, it sucked.
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I tried to make a HP build, and I only got around 150-200 more hp. That aint worth it IMO. I tried making a regen build, and I got around 600 regen. I tried making a Def build, and I got 44 defense to S/L. Seemed to me like the only reasonable way to go was defense, even if I had to suffer the debuffs. And the highest I can get is 44, Unless I get the PVP IO unique, which I wont. I suppose i can always bring /colds and veats on my ITF's when I do them on my Scrapper to get those numbers up in the 80's. Oh and I can tell you another thing, when you're fighting things that dont debuff defense, even with only 28 defense I was unkillable, either on AV runs or on the boss farm i did where I would herd 3 mobs together and melt them.
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I tried to make a HP build, and I only got around 150-200 more hp. That aint worth it IMO. I tried making a regen build, and I got around 600 regen. I tried making a Def build, and I got 44 defense to S/L. Seemed to me like the only reasonable way to go was defense, even if I had to suffer the debuffs. And the highest I can get is 44, Unless I get the PVP IO unique, which I wont. I suppose i can always bring /colds and veats on my ITF's when I do them on my Scrapper to get those numbers up in the 80's. Oh and I can tell you another thing, when you're fighting things that dont debuff defense, even with only 28 defense I was unkillable, either on AV runs or on the boss farm i did where I would herd 3 mobs together and melt them.
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The last build I threw together was for a friend's Will scrapper. It has 386.5 (28.9%) HP and 138% (7.71 HP/sec) Regen. It's somewhat constrained by his concept choices, though.
My own Elec/Will brute is a little better. I have 472.3 HP (31.5%) HP and 160% (10 HP/sec) Regen from set bonuses. It could actually be more than that, but I compromised a little to get the attacks the way I wanted 'em. Plus I'm too cheap to pay for purples or PvP drops, so I'm just using regular IOs.
But yeah, you can get pretty good HP and Regen bonuses. And that's just the IOs. Once you add in the impressive HP and Regen you get from the actual powers, you've got massive tons of HP and Regen there. My brute pushes 800% regen with just one enemy in RttC range.
Thus I think a HP + Regen IO build is quite workable. I'm not saying it's the best or only solution, but it works fine.
Having said that, I'm not disagreeing with you. I admit that softcap S/L def on a Willpower character does sound very sexy. Hell, I'm tempted to try that myself.
But what I'm saying is...HP + Regen slotting is a perfectly fine choice. Maybe not better, but still fine.
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On all my WP toons (Tank, Brutes, Scrappers) I always get Health, Stamina, tough, and weave. The combination of those 4 stacking on top of what WP already offers grants the best survivability. In my expereince.
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Dual Blades/Willpower
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You should lose one of those swords >_>
Silly DB not having a parry.
You could try something like this:
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Not the same primary as you, but the general idea is there.
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Yesterday, I tried the ITF with him for the first time. I died repeatedly against reds and purples. Is this typical for that powerset? I had much more trouble than I was expecting. We were unable to successfully complete and I think I want to run it again but I want to be prepared.
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It is typical. It is good that something in the game can challenge you, it is boring if you don't die.
As you know already, the s/l protection offered by WP is resistance. You can take tough to further increase that. The bosses and elite bosses can hit pretty hard, so your regen won't be fast enough to recover your health if you're tanking large spawns. Having tough is the best improvement you can make for the tf.
s/l defense won't really help you a lot because of the defense debuffs. However, defense does help you in taking the alpha and also in other general situations, just that it helps little in ITF. So, if you plan to IO your scrapper differently, focusing on s/l defense is not a bad investment.