Human/Dwarf form ok with no Nova/

maxtsorm · 06-08-2009 02:26 PM

Id like some major help..I have tried to make WS"s several times highest was 20. I have no made up my mind to grind one out no matter what.

I was leaning towards a human/dwarf form. Is there any possible chance someone could help me with a pve/pvp build?

Well is WS viable in pvp? I havnt tried one in a VERY long time

Any and all help would be GREATLY appreciated. Back to cruising the forums for more Kheldian info

Talen Lee · 06-10-2009 09:09 PM

I did a full rundown on my Human/Dwarf here, complete with a mids link for the build.

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maxtsorm · 06-11-2009 11:10 AM

I havnt looked at your link yet...however...here is the one in mids I came up with

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Level 50 Science Warshade
Primary Power Set: Umbral Blast
Secondary Power Set: Umbral Aura
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Ebon Eye -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Absorption -- Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(37), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(48)
Level 2: Gravity Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(3), RctvArm-EndRdx/Rchg(3), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(17), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(34)
Level 4: Orbiting Death -- Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Oblit-Dmg(5), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(5), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(15), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 6: Shadow Blast -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), Thundr-Acc/Dmg(7), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(7), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(9), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9)
Level 8: Starless Step -- Acc-I(A)
Level 10: Hasten -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(11), RechRdx(11)
Level 12: Sunless Mire -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(13), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(13), RechRdx-I(15), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(40)
Level 14: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 16: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(17)
Level 18: Gravity Well -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(19), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(19), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(40), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45)
Level 20: Black Dwarf -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(21), ResDam-I(21)
Level 22: Stygian Circle -- Dct'dW-Heal(A), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(23), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(23), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(40), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(45), EndMod-I(48)
Level 24: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(A), P'Shift-EndMod(25), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(25), P'Shift-End%(34), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(34)
Level 26: Penumbral Shield -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(27)
Level 28: Inky Aspect -- Amaze-EndRdx/Stun(A), Amaze-Stun(29), Amaze-Stun/Rchg(29), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(37), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(45)
Level 30: Shadow Cloak -- Krma-ResKB(A)
Level 32: Dark Extraction -- ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(33), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(33), ExRmnt-Dmg/EndRdx(46), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46), RechRdx-I(46)
Level 35: Quasar -- Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Oblit-Dmg(36), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(36), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37)
Level 38: Twilight Shield -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(39)
Level 41: Eclipse -- TtmC'tng-ResDam(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(42), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(42), TtmC'tng-EndRdx/Rchg(42), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(43), RechRdx-I(48)
Level 44: Stygian Return -- Heal-I(A)
Level 47: Nebulous Form -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Super Speed -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Dark Sustenance
Level 1: Shadow Step -- Empty(A)
Level 10: Shadow Recall -- Empty(A)
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Level 20: Black Dwarf Strike -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(27), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(39), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(43), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Smite -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(31), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(43), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(50)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Mire -- RechRdx-I(A), Acc-I(31)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Drain -- Empty(A), Empty(31)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Step -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Antagonize -- Taunt-I(A)

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Talen Lee · 06-11-2009 12:14 PM

You really wanna socket Black Dwarf mire like an attack. Read my guide for more thoughts on the matter.

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PipsyPowerPuff · 06-12-2009 12:39 AM

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You really wanna socket Black Dwarf mire like an attack. Read my guide for more thoughts on the matter.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, seriously. It's the main reason you can consider a dwarfshade the scrapper of the group. Slot Dwarf Mire up for accuracy and damage, and you'll be super happy with it.

Madam_Enigma · 06-12-2009 12:49 AM

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I did a full rundown on my Human/Dwarf here, complete with a mids link for the build.

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Not sure if I agree with the guide in part. The fitness pool, especially for tri form is kind of pointless. The powers don't carry over to forms as I recall, so if you spend most of the time in dwarf, you spend most of the time without Stamina.

Actually, with stygian circle the fitness pool is kind of redundant. You don't care about regen and recovery, just killing things fast so you can heal off corpses.

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PipsyPowerPuff · 06-12-2009 03:46 AM

Yeah, no fitness. In fact, my Dwarfshade only has one pool power. Hasten. I might grab stealth to drop a LoTG 7.5 in there, but I doubt it.

maxtsorm · 06-12-2009 05:16 AM

Yeah I need to play with the slots to get dwarf mire slotted up more...*sigh...will someone make the dev's give us ...mmm....10 more slots?

maxtsorm · 06-12-2009 05:24 AM

Ok lets try this out....changed to no stamina...and slotted Dwarf Mire

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
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Level 50 Science Warshade
Primary Power Set: Umbral Blast
Secondary Power Set: Umbral Aura
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Ebon Eye -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Absorption -- Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(34), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(37)
Level 2: Gravity Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(3), RctvArm-EndRdx/Rchg(3), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(17), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(34)
Level 4: Orbiting Death -- Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Oblit-Dmg(5), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(5), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(15), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 6: Shadow Blast -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), Thundr-Acc/Dmg(7), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(7), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(9), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9)
Level 8: Starless Step -- Acc-I(A)
Level 10: Hasten -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(11), RechRdx(11)
Level 12: Sunless Mire -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(13), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(13), RechRdx-I(15), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(40)
Level 14: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 16: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(17)
Level 18: Gravity Well -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(19), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(19), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(40), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45)
Level 20: Black Dwarf -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(21), ResDam-I(21)
Level 22: Stygian Circle -- Dct'dW-Heal(A), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(23), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(23), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(40), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(45), EndMod-I(48)
Level 24: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 26: Penumbral Shield -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(27)
Level 28: Inky Aspect -- Amaze-EndRdx/Stun(A), Amaze-Stun(29), Amaze-Stun/Rchg(29), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(37), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(45)
Level 30: Shadow Cloak -- Krma-ResKB(A)
Level 32: Dark Extraction -- ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(33), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(33), ExRmnt-Dmg/EndRdx(46), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46), RechRdx-I(46)
Level 35: Quasar -- Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Oblit-Dmg(36), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(36), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-%Dam(48)
Level 38: Twilight Shield -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(39)
Level 41: Eclipse -- TtmC'tng-ResDam(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(42), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(42), TtmC'tng-EndRdx/Rchg(42), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(43), RechRdx-I(48)
Level 44: Stygian Return -- Heal-I(A)
Level 47: Nebulous Form -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Super Speed -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Dark Sustenance
Level 1: Shadow Step -- Empty(A)
Level 10: Shadow Recall -- EndRdx-I(A)
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Level 20: Black Dwarf Strike -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(27), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(39), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(43), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Smite -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(31), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(43), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(50)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Mire -- Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(A), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(25), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(25), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(31), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(34)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Drain -- Mrcl-Heal(A), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg(31)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Step -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Antagonize -- Taunt-I(A)

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maxtsorm · 06-12-2009 05:26 AM

What about keeping stamina..and putting in the performance shifter chance for Plus Endurance...would that work in dwarf form? Im guessing not...

maxtsorm · 06-12-2009 06:12 AM

What about just 1 slotting inky aspect with the to-hit debuff...and using the 4 slots somewhere else?

Talen Lee · 06-12-2009 07:34 AM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I did a full rundown on my Human/Dwarf here, complete with a mids link for the build.

[/ QUOTE ]

Not sure if I agree with the guide in part.

[/ QUOTE ]I kinda don't think you read it.

[ QUOTE ]
The fitness pool, especially for tri form is kind of pointless.

[/ QUOTE ]Not a tri form. Dual form. Fitness is a power pool that requires no special IOs to justify its existance, provides a nice consistant benefit and doesn't ask anything of you in slots. It's nice, but not necessary and never useless. When you're in dwarf, no, it doesn't provide you with benefits - but you will want to swap to human to move around, and in that case, hurdle is nice, health mitigates sleeps, and you might as well take Stamina at that point since it's a handy power that doesn't need any more slots to be good.

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LordXenite · 06-12-2009 09:17 AM

I gotta say, not much of a guide for Warshades, but just like Talen said, his link is a rundown of his Human/Dwarf so while there's not much in there if you're looking for a 'guide', there's a solid Human/Dwarf build there at the very least.

Fitness is quite useful for a Warshade that relies a lot more on his Human-form than on his other forms, so Talen's quite justified there as well, even then Eclipse and Stygian Circle while perfectly capable of negating the need for Fitness, still require undefeated enemies around you, so Fitness may still be useful for getting through post-combat R&R periods.

Personally, that's not a build I'd want to try since I like being able to use all my forms, and seeing how Eclipse and Stygian Circle both replenish endurance, and how Stygian Circle alone can top my HP bar with only two or three enemies around, and my Dwarf recovers endurance nicely on his own, I doubt I'll ever want Fitness on my TriFormShade but for a Human/Dwarf, Talen seems to have a solid build.

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