Widow Claws vs Scrapper/Stalker Claws

I wanted to know do widows get the same benefits that scrappers/stalkers get with claws. Specifically the endurance/recharge discount that the set gives?

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I wanted to know do widows get the same benefits that scrappers/stalkers get with claws. Specifically the endurance/recharge discount that the set gives?

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Um, I'm not sure what you mean exactly. Most attacks are low endurance. Somewhere in the range of 4-8 endurance or so. The attacks have different secondary effects though. The claws attacks from widows cause -recharge and -speed. The attacks have very fast attack speeds. Right around 1 second a piece except for the aoe type attacks. Hope this helps.

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I wanted to know do widows get the same benefits that scrappers/stalkers get with claws. Specifically the endurance/recharge discount that the set gives?

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Ryu, I think the answer is no, Widows don't get that. IIRC, Widow attacks got their own, new damage, rech and endurance cost forumula that was based off of DPA, not just damage. I think some of that was then backed into Scrapper claws, but honestly I don't rememer the details.

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No, definitely not.

Widow Claws recharge slooooow and cost normal, afaik.

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off the top of my head without checking, I'm pretty sure my Fort/Widow Claw attack chain costs roughly 5/3 what a Claws scrapper version would cost.

Looks like Venus runs 200 DPS costing 4.3 EPS while Claws with a similar build should be ??? DPS and less than 3.3 EPS. I don't have a full IO claws build to compare to right now, only SO Claws builds.

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I wanted to know do widows get the same benefits that scrappers/stalkers get with claws. Specifically the endurance/recharge discount that the set gives?

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Widow's claws don't. They are like normal melee sets with 4s, 8s, 10s and an odd one at 16s.

But widow's claws have -recharge/slow and I would use poison dart in the attack chain as well for 25% -regen.

And Widow claws don't have any controls at all. Stalker Claw is actually a very "safe" set with one kb and kd.


In fact, I think widow's claws do a bit less damage for its recharge rate? Those toxic damage can really stack up though especially if you have venom grenade from teammates.

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What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.

Widow Claws are more like the strange but beautiful offspring of Claws and Spines but without the bananas sticking out all over you, and without Claws' innate benefits. However, Widow Claws' DPA is amazing if a) you get the recharge down (not too hard) and b) you have the sustained endurance to keep it up as long as necessary. Basically, if you can get Widow Claws close enough to Claws' recharge and endurance performance, you'll in fact quite outstrip Claws' performance.

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