Yearning for new assault set combos after AE...

_Laxx_ · 05-21-2009 08:45 PM

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Broadsword Assault. Complete with shooting swords at people.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDvuBY97cD4

indeed we are falling behind the times.

*Note Castle posted this before, but it works here*

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Ah, The Sword and the Sorcerer. Such an unwieldy weapon, but so awesome at the same time.

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Emgro · 05-21-2009 10:48 PM

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Broadsword Assault. Complete with shooting swords at people.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDvuBY97cD4

indeed we are falling behind the times.

*Note Castle posted this before, but it works here*

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I was waiting for someone to post that. Best vid ever.

Jade_Dragon · 05-22-2009 12:28 PM

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As I stated before, Spines Scrappers have been stated by Castle as only existing because they were there when he got here. Focus and Shockwave in Claws share this dubious attribution as well. He has specifically stated that he thinks that giving Scrappers ranged attacks in any primary powerset was a bad idea, but he's not going to change them because they're an integral part of the power sets at the moment.

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Don't forget Super Strength, Stone Melee, and technically Lightning Rod is a location based ranged attack. And I would argue whether Combustion, Breath of Fire and Frost are long range melee attacks, or short range ranged attacks. (Frost is well within melee norms, but Combustion has the exact same range as Spine Burst. In fact, that may suggest why Scrappers and Brutes don't get Combustion...)

Umbral · 05-22-2009 01:13 PM

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Don't forget Super Strength, Stone Melee, and technically Lightning Rod is a location based ranged attack.

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Both of the Hurl powers are atrocious attacks. They've got horrible DPA and have long activation times. Lightning Rod qualifies as a ranged attack about as much as Shield Charge does.

The reason I bring this up is because Focus and Impale are, by design and intent, supposed to be highly effect ranged attacks within their sets. That's what sets them apart. I doubt anyone would attribute any of the Tanker sets mentioned as being especially Assault like. The ranged attacks within just aren't up to snuff.

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And I would argue whether Combustion, Breath of Fire and Frost are long range melee attacks, or short range ranged attacks. (Frost is well within melee norms, but Combustion has the exact same range as Spine Burst. In fact, that may suggest why Scrappers and Brutes don't get Combustion...)

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Breath of Fire is easily a long range melee attack as is Frost. Their ranges are only marginally better than melee range (by 8 and 3 respective). The additional range in either isn't going to allow for kiting like Shockwave, Focus, Throw Spines, and Impale. The single target attacks have a range of 40 and the cones have ranges of 30. A short range ranged attack would probably be closer to 20-25 than 15.

Spiritchaser · 05-23-2009 05:08 AM

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I doubt anyone would attribute any of the Tanker sets mentioned as being especially Assault like. The ranged attacks within just aren't up to snuff

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To make a tanker set "assault-like" you really have to work the patron/epic pools as well.

I don't think you could really argue that SS/*/Mako doesn't have some very strong similarities.

Sure you have to happen to like sharks and you're only going to see the power in the extreme late game, but a massive PBAoE, 3 chainable cones, all of which are completely viable, solid ranged AoE attacks, good melee and then Hurl, which while not ideal, is much stronger than it used to be.

*/SS/Pyre tanks can have reasonably solid ST ranged chains with Hurl-RoF-FB, though clearly you have to wait untill the extreem endgame for this playstyle, and you waste a lot of the potential power of your build by embracing it.

I'd suggest that the defence set can contribute even more in some cases, but a highly hypothetical assault/defence AT would have those same tricks, so it'd be a wash on that score.

Again: With VEATS or other builds, I think it's pretty clearly possible to get something crudely like the playstyle I'm talking about now. It's often only possible in the late game, and it's definitely only possible within some limited concept types (I want psi assault at level 1, not shark assault at level 47 dammit!) but it's out there.

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