Perma PA?


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if the power itself has 68% recharge, how much global recharge is require for perma PA on a ill/kin illusion troller? this means while using siphon speed as well...


 

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I do not know for certain what it is exactly, but it is over 200%.

My ill/rad is currently at something like 218.50% recharge rate (that is with Hasten and AM (both of which are perma)), and I have perma PA.

I'll try to crunch some numbers for you and give you a better answer


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At base, PA recharges in 240 seconds and has a 60 second duration. In order to make it perma you need to reduce the recharge to 60 seconds (or 1/4 of it's current amount). The formula for recharge is:
new recharge rate = old recharge rate / (1 + recharge rate reductions expressed as a fraction).

In practical terms this means you need at least 300% recharge reduction to make PA perma.

Given 68% from enhancement in the power and one siphon speed (double or triple stacking siphon speed may be possible, but just one for now), that gives you 88% recharge rate reduction (siphon speed = 20%). You would still need 212% recharge rate reduction on top of this. Every extra siphon speed you can manage to stack on top of the first will reduce this by another 20%. If you can get perma-hasten that reduces it by 70% more.


Infinity:
Ellen, 50 MA/Inv Scr
February Night, 14 Ice/Ice Blstr
Guardian:
SilverSwordmaid, 29 Kat/Rgn Scr
Vicious Killer, 33 Emp/Enrgy Def
Electromagness, 40 Rad/Rad Def
Sense of Humor, 50 Fire/En Tank
Virtue:
Kickfest, 50 MA/SR Scr
Freedom:
Glorious Ending, 29 EM/DA Bru

 

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Ohh.. so the 5 and 10%'s from bonuses would only for example (a purple hold set bonus) 212-10= 202... so i'd stil need 202??


 

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Yes.

Honestly, if you want perma-PA, it is doable, but probably expensive. Best place to start is to get set Ios that get the recharge rate from enhancements in PA up to about 100%. Then get Hasten. If you get enough recharge to perma hasten (probably about 85% if you put decent enhancements in hasten and use siphon speed), then with hasten and just one siphon speed going you have another 90%, so with that you are already up to 100 + 95 + 85 = 280. If you can just generally have doubled siphon speed going (recharges twice as fast as it's duration) then you have perma-PA at 85 global rech.


Infinity:
Ellen, 50 MA/Inv Scr
February Night, 14 Ice/Ice Blstr
Guardian:
SilverSwordmaid, 29 Kat/Rgn Scr
Vicious Killer, 33 Emp/Enrgy Def
Electromagness, 40 Rad/Rad Def
Sense of Humor, 50 Fire/En Tank
Virtue:
Kickfest, 50 MA/SR Scr
Freedom:
Glorious Ending, 29 EM/DA Bru

 

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Not sure on the actual numbers on what the perma is. I know it confused me as well when I was trying for it on my illusion/storm controller who now has 166.3% with hasten up and it is almost perma. (3 seconds off)

I know the sleep and confuse purple sets are relatively cheap. If you slot 5 of the sleep into blind and 5 of the confuse into decieve that will be 20% recharge.

5 doctored wounds into Transfusion gives you another 5%.

Superior invisibility can be used to slot a LoTG + recharge which would be another 7.5%. If you had combat jumping you could put another in there.

4 pieces of the recharge intensive pet set into both phantom army (I also personally put another 2 recharge IO's) and phantasm gives you another 6.25% from each set.

Spectral terror can be 5 slotted with glimpse of the abyss for another 6.25% recharge.

Which without being to familar with what can be slotted into kinetics or which epic you have leaves you with about 58.8% recharge + whatever other bonuses you can get with your epic or secondary.


 

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if the power itself has 68% recharge, how much global recharge is require for perma PA on a ill/kin illusion troller? this means while using siphon speed as well...

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You need a total of about 300% recharge affectign the power (you can get away with a little less, but I recommend aiming for 300). If you only have 68% recharge in the power (I cant imagine why you dont have 95-100%, but whatever), then by means of basic arithmatic we find that you need tog et 232% from SOMEWHERE else. Subtract a further 100% from AM/Hasten (which you should have), and get 132% global recharge from set bonusses. If (for reasons passing understanding) your secondary is not radiation, then its 162% instead, since you dont have Accelerate Metabolism. This is doable - my own global recharge is in the 130% neighborhood - but it will require a steep investment of cash in purple sets, rare sets, and LotG specials. Also, some of the new PvP IO sets seem like they will be very useful for this sort of build. I havent calculated it precisly, but at current market prices I estiamte my own build woudl be worth somewhere between 1.5 and 2 billion influence.


 

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the sit i'm using in it doesn't give that much.. the build is not only for recharge, its for def/res too.. nvm i usually get stuff to perma w/o knowing the exact numbers anyways so i'll figure it out