Warface's "Success for the Base Raider Guide"
By
Acid_Bath,
Posted on: 2008-01-16 22:49 in Player Guides
[color= yellow] Section 1. Raid Mechanics [/color]
<ul type="square"> [*] Raid Setup:
To do a raid (instant or IOP) you must have the following rooms/items in the base.
ONLY INSTANT RAIDS ARE AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME
[*]1. Vault with IOP base placed
[*]2. 6 Dimensional Anchors 8030.00 hitpoints Screenshot (Cannot be less than 6)
[*]3. Mission Computer
[*]4. Power and Control (combo unit might be fine though at least a mainframe and basic generator are recommended--the oversight center though does not accept an anchor and is 3 x 3 area. Not sure if this works out.)
[*]5. To attack you must have all that and a raid telepad. Potential that even as a defender you need a raid telepad (I need to test this)
[*]6. You need minimum of 8 rooms (6 of which are functional rooms that can place dimensional anchors in)
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May be a cheaper way of doing this but here is an idea of the cost for a solid raid capable base without guns.
8x 8 Plot 0
Entry Room 2 x 2 0
Control Room 2 x 2 100,000
Energy Term 2 x 2 150,000
Med Bay 2 x 2 50,000
TP Bay 1 x 2 50,000
TP Bay 1 x 2 50,000
TP Chamber 2 x 2 150,000
Containment 2 x 2 250,000
Basic Gen 225,000
Mainframe 150,000
Mission computer 75,000
Reclimator 10,000
Raid Teleporter 75,000
IoP Base 0
Anchor 1 5,000
Anchor 2 5,000
Anchor 3 5,000
Anchor 4 5,000
Anchor 5 5,000
Anchor 6 5,000
TOTAL 1,365,000
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Instant or IoP
[*] To do an instant Raid:
Time: An instant raid lasts a full hour if the attacker does not succeed and the defender wins.
To Begin: 16 SG members can Join for each side. THEY MUST BE IN YOUR SUPERGROUP. COALITION MEMBERS HAVE TO DROP THEIR SUPERGROUP AND JOIN YOURS AT THIS TIME. AFTER RAID THEY CAN GO BACK TO THEIRS.....IT SUCKS.......but there ya go!
MAKE SURE YOU ARE IN SG MODE FIRST! If you wish an attacker to attack your base in an instant raid they will send you an invite like this: /RAIDINVITE NAME HERE. You will see the raid invite (though it may accidently go to ANOTHER one of your members (its a bug), and if they are not authorized to accept base raids in the permissions fields they cant accept it.) Click OK. It will then say RAID BEGINNING IN FIVE MINUTES in giant yellow letters that everyone sees.
THIS PART IS IMPORTANT : When they see the raid beginning, they all click SUPER, RAID (bottom of SG window) Then they will see a pop up window that they click JOIN RAID. If they cant join, keep trying, hit refresh, if this doesnt work ZONE OUTSIDE your base then REZONE in then try again. This normally works. Once you see all 16 joined (in that same popup window) you are set. If everyone doesnt get in it is your choice as a leader to continue with who you got or RETRY THE WHOLE sequence over.
Once everyone is joined and Once the LONG five minutes has gone by another message will pop in and say YOUR BASE IS NOW VULNERABLE. At this point no one else can join the raid or come in your base.
The attackers will get THE ENEMY BASE IS NOW VULNERABLE. They will use their raid teleporter to get to your base and they will zone in a random DOORWAY as a group. Then the killing begins.
Victory Conditions: An attacker has to destroy five of the six anchors by either physically destroying them (which is VERY difficult as they have MANY hitpoints) or placing a raid pylon. Once the hour is up, the defender wins if the attacker hasnt won. THE RAID PYLONS CAN BE PLACED IN ANY ROOM TYPE, ONE PER ROOM.
To Craft a Raid Pylon: First go to your tech or arcane basic worktable and using one tech power and one tech material OR one mystic foci and one mystic element you can craft one free of charge. It will appear in your temp powers. You actually set down on a knee and place it. This item can be destroyed by the defender. You can craft them from your attacker base during the raid and try again.
Spawn locations: The attackers appear as a group in random "Doorway" rooms. If killed, the attackers respawn in the hospital or their base and have to come back through raid teleporter. They can also be rezzed in the base just like anywhere else. Defenders respawn in their base hospital (if there is an intact, powered rez ring) or in the relevant zone hospital. In the latter case, they must then run to the base portal to get back into the fight.
Destructable items: Many items are destructible, there are some that are not. The ones that teams normally go after is your power generator, your anchors, and your medical reclimators (which force you to spawn outside in a hospital and run back to base)
RULES When IoPs come out
..I hate to say there probably wont be any if you go through hell to get an IoP with your SG. However for Instant Raids or friendly raids with friends there are a number of rules you can agree to based on your decision.
<ul type="square"> [*]1. No Spawn Camping. This is one of the biggest things that pee people off. Nothing worse than spawning in facing 4 Elite Guns, 16 SG members that are all aiming at you and you are dead before you even zone in. (There are ways to defeat this, but in a friendly raid??? Commme on
..bad stuff. An effective leader will control his people. HOWEVER THEY MAY SPAWN IN ON TOP OF YOU. They need to give you time to move your guys out after the initial blood lust subsides. Let calm heads prevail and let them rezone in peace.
[*]2.Raid Pylons
..this is up to both groups. You can win a match in under 5 minutes especially in a big base by going INVIS, going with Multiple purples or ELUDE type powers and then split up and hide and drop your pylons in any room (one per room, you only need 5 to win) that has clutter and they cant find you. The defender CAN destroy them however or interrupt you dropping.
[*]3.Bad language or Taunting, you can set this condition so only leaders use chat and leaders work out accusations.
[*]4.Use of Jails. Using stacking techniques you can make an enclosure where you can teleport someone inside. STUCK will not work for them to get out so only with recall friend can they. They can be put in there for the whole match almost like a hockey penalty box giving you more numbers vs them. This is up to both leaders if they like or hate it.
[*]5.Nukes, Inspirations, Shivans, Temp Bots
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[color= yellow] * IoP RAIDS (Not live yet) [/color]
[*] Items of Power Description An item of power is stolen from Rularuu the Ravager. It gives all members of the SG a very low % buff in an attribute (damage, XP gain, debt gain, psychic damage resistance. You can be raided at any point after you get one based on a schedule. You set up a time when your SG is going to be on which is when your base can be attacked. This is to prevent what would amount to theft in the middle of the night. THIS IS NOT ON LIVE YET; THIS WILL PROBABLY CHANGE.
Item of Power Screenshot
Item of Power Screenshot 2
[*] Item of Power MISSION or RAID
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[*] MISSION: You need: A SG Mission Computer, a Raid Teleporter, a Vault Room with the placed item "Item of Power Base" (this is where the IoP will go when obtained), and 6 Anchors and of course power and control to run your teleporters and mission computer. The Anchors hold the IoP in this reality once you get the IoP. Each room in your base can have only one; the Vault Room and Entry Room cannot have Anchors in them. This means the minimum base size to hold an IoP is 8 rooms. Once ready an authorized SG member will click on the mission computer [Thanks go to Lady Sadoka for this part]. The oracle gives you the option to 'Open the path to the Cathedral of Pain trial'. This selected, it gives 'Ask about available missions', which leads on to 'Steal the Item of Power'.
[*]When this is selected, a 60 minute timer starts. Everyone piles into the raid telepad. You can have up to three teams of 8. You enter a region of the Shadow Shard. To open the portal into the Cathedral, you need to destroy three Psionic Resonators, large obelisk shaped structures. These are in different parts of the map. Their names are Gloom, Woe and Despair.
[*]Each obelisk has a group of Rularuu close by, under a cubical Hellraiser puzzle box like thing, and a flock of Natterlings around it. The obelisks are shielded and immune to damage. You have to defeat the nearby group of Rularuu to bring the shield down. The trouble is that the Rularuu respawn, bringing the shield back up. You're unlikely to destroy the obelisk before this happens. The Natterlings also heal the obelisk if they get a chance. You have three teams, one at each obelisk.
[*]Obelisk will rebuild itself after a short time. That means you have to go through the whole defeat beasties - drop shields - repeat process again, which takes a variable amount of time depending on the team. So, just as one team destroys Woe, Gloom could be popping back up. This will take up to 55 minutes of the timer.
[*]When all the Obelisks are down, you head to the portal, and a cutscene takes place in which Rularuu the Ravager makes angry noises about thieves in the temple.
Inside the Cathedral of Pain is one large room with three groups of Rularuu in, left, right and middle, and an Aspect of Rularuu (archvillain) in the middle group. The Aspect can trash almost an entire team in moments, but pounding the hell out of him can bring him down. Trial complete , the Item will be transported to your base. If you win this mission you can be raided. THIS IS NOT ON LIVE YET; THIS WILL PROBABLY CHANGE.
[*]IoP RAID: You can also get it by raiding another SG that has more Items of Power than you. You can only get one when you do this if you win. At this point if you get your first one by raiding someone else, you now can be raided yourself. This will be based on a schedule you set. This way they cant sneak in your base while you are all offline. THIS IS NOT ON LIVE YET; THIS WILL PROBABLY CHANGE.
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[color= yellow] Section 2. Leadership for Raids [/color]
On Leadership:
"You cannot lead by memo, you cannot lead by shouting, you cannot lead by delegation of your responsibility -- you must lead by example." Gen. Charles Krulak, US Marine Corps.
To be a Raid leader in either the defense or offense requires not only an understanding of power sets, their capabilities, limitations and weaknesses---- It requires patience (with your players as well as theirs), solid decision making skills, an awareness of the ground you are fighting on, and an ability to adjust to a changing situation (WHICH IT WILL.............trust me)
<ul type="square">[*] Prior to the raid ensure on your Supergroup website you have placed a members only map of the raid, SHOWN HERE: http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b5...AIDBRIEF-1.gif
, team makeup, team leaders, and a written standing brief of what you want them to do and where you want them to go during the defense and the attack. Dont make it too long (like this guide), make it short and concise so they understand their roles quick.
[*]See www.guildportal.com for a free website for your SUPERGROUP. Your members must register and you can make forums for their eyes only. Make a base raid forum.
[*] Have either the www.ventrilo.com ventrilo program or teamspeak www.teamspeak.com program and be able to communicate with members. Even members who dont have mics can tune in and listen to your commands. This is much easier then typing.
[*] In raids make sure ONLY the leadership speaks on Request channel. all others use Broadcast. Within your SG window use ALL CAPS so they can identify your commands or discussion.
[*] Childish Fighting over Broadcast: Ensure that the "other side" agrees (AND MOST IMPORTANTLY BRIEFS THEIR MEMBERS ON) that while jovial jests are ok over broadcast, any calls of cheating or spawn camping are best for the accusing players to tell their leadership about..........and the two leaders can send tells to each other and work out and figure out who offender is BY NAME. If the defending player is asked to back off a spawn point................and it was agreed not to spawn camp, then that leader should publish in REQUEST channel for all his members to PLEASE BACK OUT OF SPAWN POINT NOW.........this way both teams see he/she is making an effort. Within your own SG window, figure out who is doing it and give them a warning and sometimes it is necessary to redirect a team to a diff location in base.[*] Its nice to make sure you have assigned team leaders who know their team and their jobs during the raid regardless of you being in the attack or defense.[/list]
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[color= yellow] Section 3. The Base Defense [/color]
On the Defense:
"He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious."
- Sun Tzu
"Offer the enemy a bait to lure him; feign disorder and strike him."
- Sun Tzu
Defenses are where you make your money. Especially if you worked hard and gained an IoP and you are willing to do anything to keep it.
DEFENSE LAYOUT: You can do a few things to make life hell for them.
1. Chokepoints: You can put spikes on the floor and ceiling to make chokepoints throughout base. http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b59/MC...16-20-43-20.jpg
They will force you to leave a path open however, you cannot block off an area that paths between rooms or functional objects like a generator or gun or control.
You can however put stairs backwards and that will not block pathing but it will block THEM ; Spikes and Stairs can work both ways
..BE WARNED. Not to mention your SG will hate you when you have it.
2. Hiding Anchors: Anchors are placed on walls. However you can raise the ceiling 2 levels and place the anchor on the lip keeping it hidden. If you are really evil you can place spikes or hanging light colums ESSENTIALLY HIDING them. Change the lighting to the same color and they are hard to find or destroy. At 8000+ hitpoints they are hard to destroy anyway. Some people really hate this and would rather drop raid pylons to counteract this.
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TIP: YOU CAN USE LOTS OF FALSE CEILINGS to confuse then where the true location of your anchors are!!!!!
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http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b59/MC...16-19-40-52.jpg
You can also put trees underneath to make life even more painful to find them. I like to add guns to really make them pissed.
3. Base Layout:
<ul type="square"> I recommend a few things.
[*] First, make sure you have two or more medical rooms in diff parts of base so if they destroy some of your reclimators you can still zone in base and grab yourself inspirations.
[*]Make sure ROOMS for your Vault (for future IoP types) your Generator and your Anchors are in an area that you are actively defending. Make one or two chokepoints and defend those areas. Sounds good just by itself right? Sit and wait for them? Wrong. That only works if they dont plan on dropping RAID PYLONS and you have a tiny base.
[*] To counteract With Raid Pylons they can hide and drop them where you arent looking. THIS MEANS THE LESS CLUTTER AN D THE MORE GUNS in each room that can interrupt them the better.
[*]Get your guns up high out of their melee toons LOS if possible (See base stacking guide for that in Base Construction forum).
[*]Make sure your Generator is protected using spikes on top and on sides leaving one pathing spot. Guard the pathing spot with a Stoner if possible. They cant hurt him, he can taunt them off the generator.
Here is an old base layout I used to brief off of: http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b5...AIDBRIEF-1.gif
[/list] 4. Weapons: I recommend Elite Ice Crystals or Tech equivalent combined with Elite Energy Crystals. You will need lots of Weapons of Mu for arcane ones and Unstable Rad Pistols for the Tech ones. STOCK UP ON THESE!
See Azrihaz's Guide to Base Defense HERE She did a great job on this guide!
This combination of slows and damage is incredible. If you have a room you are worried about raid pylons use a Fire Gun turret to keep them from activating the temp power. Build attachments. Check your line of sight and have weapons mutally supporting, hide the attachments if possible. Dont bother with any attachment but Energy Shield, Damage Booster and Acc Booster
.. The targeted area is worthless. Scorpions Surprise and purchaseable (unlocked by badge) is nice and has [censored] tons of damage but its recharge is so slow almost not worth it. You can also drop the floor in one spot
. Put sandbags all over ground to cause them to slide and put a crafteable Slow field in the hold. They wont be able to jump out very easy, place a gun facing the trap and their life will suck. There are other weapons types, but honestly they arent worth it too much. Here are some pics: You have to register on Base Builders Inc. to see them I think:
http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?Gu...TopicID=5756454
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TIP: The cheapest way to get rooms that accept guns all over your base is to buy several 600k Teleportation rooms that accept two weapons in them. Place them strategically around your vault and generator and reclimators........ Four of these rooms = 8 Elite weapons......... Thats alot of pain on the enemy.
As you get richer add chokepoints 1.5 mil a pop.
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BASIC DEFENSE TENANTS:
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[*]1. BRIEF: BE ON TEAMSPEAK IF POSSIBLE---SG LEADER AND (3) ASSAULT TEAM LEADERS ONLY WILL USE ALL CAPS IN SG CHAT, ALL others use lower case
[*] 2. BALANCE: Recommend Three active teams that are balanced and can fight together as a group. ATs dont really matter (too much) if you have good balance and are integrated with your base Weapons. I am not saying an uber PvP team cant own you
..but for normal groups you will be OK.
[*]3. INSPIRE!: Have a few BREAK FREES and LOADS of YELLOWS and REDS--- This is important as they will roll in with tier nines for three minutes on or with purples popped. Debuff them and Destroy them!
[*]4. KILL/DELAY: The goal of defense is only kill them or delay them from destroying your Dimensional Anchors or setting up Raid Pylons
..Expect them to use the first wave to map out your base and figure out your defense. They have a full hour and will use it. A good Offensive team will come at you as a UBER Group and send off invis individuals to drop pylons. A poor raiding group will come at you piecemeal. Remember that.
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TIP: A good macro to kill them quick is this /macro near "unselect$$toggle_enemy$$follow$$powexec_slot 1"
This is good for hand to hand when your getting mobed. It targets nearest bad guy, follows him, and smack him when you catch him.
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[*]5. No I in TEAM: Try not to VENTURE OUT ON YOUR OWN OR YOU JEOPORDIZE THE ANCHORS/Key Functional Items YOU ARE DEFENDING----MOVE AS A TEAM TO DEFEND KEY ANCHORS ---YOU CAN HEAL ANCHORS If your anchors in your location are taken out, move to the other teams location to assist them. Especially if they are taking the brunt of the attack. REMEMBER THOUGH, KEEP a Defense in Depth!
[*]6. REZ: If you die, rez in base. When you first zone into base, make sure it is somehwhere like MERCY Island so you can go to hospital, walk a few feet get more inspirations, then go in the base portal and back into the fight all within 50 feet.
[*]7. SELECTIVE TARGETING: Dont waste time on their tanks when possible. Slow their tanks, get their support toons first. They are squishy, make sure they know they are squishy. Use group assaults on troublesome ATs. TP FOE when possible and gank them.
[*]8. BATTLEFIELD AWARENESS: KEEP YOUR MAP UP AT ALL TIMES SO YOU DONT GET LOST. Your own members have no excuse. Make sure that you post a map on your website (protected of course) and let them view where their team should setup.
[*]9. POWER KEEPS YA POWERFUL ! Kill them wholesale for an hour
..and your homefree. Get the FUSION Gen if you can afford it and it will take them close to 45 min just to beat it down. Once it drops you cant use your reclimators or your guns. Guard that Generator especially if its low hitpoints. Hide it behind spikes with a chokepoint if possible. Put lights above it so they cant get on top.
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[color= yellow] Section 4. The Base Attack [/color]
On the attack:
For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.
- Sun Tzu
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BASIC ATTACK TENANTS:
[*]1. BRIEF: Brief Attack and plan 45 min before attack. Move to the Raid Teleporter 10 minutes prior to attack. All be in SG mode. Have your teams ready and already arranged with leaders. Be on Teamspeak or Ventrillo. Bring Shivans, Nukes, whatever you need before hand to back you up.
[*]2. TOGGLE : Turn on all toggle powers, (Buff up, pets cant be called until in the defenders base)
[*]3. SEQUENCE: Tanks/Brutes using Overload and Unstoppable, etc. will move in first, followed by Support, then any invis toons you wish to send in with Raid Pylons....ALL POP PURPLES before and after entry based on load time.
[*]4. SPAWN TOGETHER: Everyone should spawn in relatively the same location, try to have slow loaders click first.
[*]5. TEAM: Get a large group together of no less than 4 before moving out as group, Best to move as two teams
. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE MAP
---- just follow YOUR leader, unless you have an assigned job)
[*]6. MOVE: Dont stop and fight where possible (Tanks can taunt them off of you)----TURN ON UNSTOPPABLE If needed---------for the others who are moving deeper in base turn on OVERLOAD, ANYTHING THAT MAKES YOU UNHITTABLE, SWALLOW LOTS OF PURPLES ---USE GREENS AND BREAKFREES WHEN NEEDED AND RUN TO FIND ANCHORS or INVIS yourself to find hiding spot
.Describe the room over teamspeak so you dont drop pylon in same room, which it wont let you and you will waste time. Destroy any guns that interrupt you while dropping a Raid Pylon. Best to break Line of Sight.
[*]7. LOOK: Look for anchors up in ceilings, fly or hover along edge of ceilings that have lights or spikes in them, THE ANCHOR is ROUND and RED. It has around 8000 hitpoints or so. It will be against a wall up in ceiling NOT directly on ceiling (Low hanging lights will try to block you from seeing it up in the hole in ceiling). If you are lucky it will be on the wall right up in front of you.
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TIP THERE IS a custom bind for targeting the anchors as you run through the base. I will try to find it and add it here
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[*]8. REZ: If you die go to a hospital, KNOW where your contacts are, make sure the portal is a close run, GRAB PURPS BREAK FREES and GREENS to make you unhittable, swallow before entry or as needed. Dont worry about dying
.wait til they walk off and leave your body in that barren room
.then rez and continue.
[*]9. DESTROY!: Destroy THE ANCHORS to win. Waste no Time on any other objects or people unless they are in your way: YOU ONLY HAVE ONE HOUR TO DESTROY 5 ANCHORS--_DONT WORRY ABOUT THEIR POWER OR CONTROL!---Take out generator only if low hitpoints or you arent seen. Raid Pylons or destroy anchors is name of game.
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CLOSING THOUGHT: Remember, Have Fun! Dont get upset, let your army of mutant gnomes take care of business like you have trained them! GET SOME RAIDERS AND SEMPER FI!!!
WARFACE
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You can use the link in my sig for the defenses if you like.
You may also wish to include something that addresses how much looser builds can be and that toons typically scoffed at for PvP are actually useful in a raid. 
Nice guide! Kudos!
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Isn't there a targetcustomnext bind that will help you find anchors?
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Great point Ill add that in, if I can find the bind! LOS can cause problems with that but yes! You are correct sir thanks for the INPUT!
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You know, I since we're on the subject, I hate chokepoints. Unless you float stuff, there's no way to get 2 elite weapons down with 4 attachments each if you have 2 doorways off the chokepoint. Booooo!
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You know, I since we're on the subject, I hate chokepoints. Unless you float stuff, there's no way to get 2 elite weapons down with 4 attachments each if you have 2 doorways off the chokepoint. Booooo!
[/ QUOTE ]Agreed, the pathing issue is crazy in those chokepoints. They need to relook at those somehow.
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Nice guide WAR! Can't wait till our next raid!
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You know, I since we're on the subject, I hate chokepoints. Unless you float stuff, there's no way to get 2 elite weapons down with 4 attachments each if you have 2 doorways off the chokepoint. Booooo!
[/ QUOTE ]Agreed, the pathing issue is crazy in those chokepoints. They need to relook at those somehow.
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My sg has about 34 Elite Cannons and 11 SS with full attachments - with alot of choke points...you can get 2 Elite Cannons with full attachments in there without causing any path issues or using floating.
PM for a screen shot if you like. Or make a lvl 1 in Freedom and send me a global tell @SantoMalo and I will give you a tour
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You know, I since we're on the subject, I hate chokepoints. Unless you float stuff, there's no way to get 2 elite weapons down with 4 attachments each if you have 2 doorways off the chokepoint. Booooo!
[/ QUOTE ]Agreed, the pathing issue is crazy in those chokepoints. They need to relook at those somehow.
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My sg has about 34 Elite Cannons and 11 SS with full attachments - with alot of choke points...you can get 2 Elite Cannons with full attachments in there without causing any path issues or using floating.
PM for a screen shot if you like. Or make a lvl 1 in Freedom and send me a global tell @SantoMalo and I will give you a tour
[/ QUOTE ]I have it down for the 2 elite gun one....the 4 elite gun one was a bit trickier when I added in spikes.
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Like the guide!
Most of this make a lot sense for what i have experienced leading raids (lost the count , i think its around 15)!
One thing is part of my reality when i do base raid.... having ppl online... and that is not only me, ive seen other vg with the same issue, seriously see other vg do temporary freelance recruitment for the duration of the raid, ive started doing the same at some point, ... well mostly recruit friends that can move a toon in my vg for the raid... then remove back!
Also, TS (or vent) is great as long as ppl use it! And you always have ppl not on it! Ive stoped using it, (might retry it, doh) cause i was having private chats/sg chats/coalition chats/ broadcast chat + TS! , Now i ask ppl not to send me Private chat!!! Enough on the chat/TS matter , u get my point!
This would be a lot more easier if i had always the same staff online and doing it with me! Most of my guys know the drill now, but still always have Base Raid Noob, in it, that ask question and send me private chat!
Anyways, just saying its Hard to be focus on things when u deal with many chats, give basic info, talk over TS, etc...
Most of the time, i simply say over sg channel, cant have private Tell right now, ask your question in sg chat, other will respond, im busy, sorry about that, ... or something!
About breifing ppl in advance... well that is a FREAKING GOOD POINT!!!! but not achievable in my reality! (im sad)!
say u do a base raid at 8h ppl log at 8h15. Or dont even know there is a raid (even if u hammer it)!
This reality, ive learned to leave with it, and other vg seems to have similar issues!
Wish i could do more raid, but knowing u mostly always do 2 run, of one hour each... that mean at least 3h with delays, and stuff! unless u like PVP a lot, (not my case(like it but not dying for it)) you also want to spend your game time, on pve!
The worst part is when ppl start loggin, and you are left with 6ppl doing endless trip (dying/rez)! dont happen often , but did happen, as the leader u have to stay, even if you are bored to kill or die with no more motivation!
Guess this whole raid thingy need more spice in it! the last raids ive done, were even! defender always win!, lol!
Anyways, im overdue for one, need to do prep in my base !!!
liked the guide, just wanted to point some aspect related to base raiding ive experienced, it might look like im complaining, but its not the case, this reality ive learned to live with it! and still can do great Base raid, and fun time!
Last note : i strongly suggest anyone to do base raid with SG or VG you know, an know they will be fare! i do mine with coalition mostly!
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One thing is part of my reality when i do base raid.... having ppl online... and that is not only me, ive seen other vg with the same issue, seriously see other vg do temporary freelance recruitment for the duration of the raid, ive started doing the same at some point, ... well mostly recruit friends that can move a toon in my vg for the raid... then remove back!
[/ QUOTE ] This is an issue my SG has even with 80 Individual Accounts. What I try to do to drive it home is POST about the raid Everywhere. I put it on my website, I put it on the COH Server Forum, I send Website Emails, I send Ingame Emails, I put it in Message of the Day, and Group Motto..............................when Im done with all that.........3 days before the raid I pass over Coalition CHAT about the raid offering up spots (SG members that have signed up first of course). I tell them to make sure they are there 45 min early. I brief 30 min out and make sure the brief is posted so they can just read it. You are right though, you will get at least three people that are absolutely lost and dont pay attention (especially pick up team members). Then you will always get the guy that shows up 5 min before the raid.........not to mention the guy that was signed up that is 10 min late to the raid after it started and he gets mad..........
So Yeaah.............that sucks a bit and hard to mitigate.
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Also, TS (or vent) is great as long as ppl use it! And you always have ppl not on it! Ive stoped using it, (might retry it, doh) cause i was having private chats/sg chats/coalition chats/ broadcast chat + TS! , Now i ask ppl not to send me Private chat!!! Enough on the chat/TS matter , u get my point!
[/ QUOTE ] Try to get them to listen in even if they dont want to talk or use a mic. Just send your IP out and the download program link to everyone.
Great points and they are just things you have to overcome to the best of your ability, dont get mad at them, just do your best and they will recognize that you are a calm leader and appreciate you more for it. 
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Want to add a point to this guide. If for any reason you find that your SG and the other SG has all the required raid mechanics and they send invite to raid............but it tells you YOU CANNOT BE RAIDED when you try to accept: Do this.
Open up your base editor: If the words are flashing red on main toolbar that Something is blocking LOS to a raidable ITEM:
The answer 90% of the time is this. Go check your ROBOTIC FABRICATOR or FLAMES OF Hephastus. You may be blocking a WORKTABLE either tech or arcane. MOVE THEM away from worktables to a more open area. See if the red words go away. THEN retry your base raid.
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One other point. During a raid....... if you are an attacker, people in your SG, or coalition, or teamed with other SG members that are (not part of the raid---i.e. never clicked join raid) can still enter the ATTACKER base......just not the defending base.
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My SG and I were thinking about doing base raids, especially after I told them that everything wouldn't have to be replaced. Problem is...we don't have 16 active individual accounts in the SG. 
Is it absolutely necessary to have 16 to even start the raid or can you have less than that?
Thanks in advance.
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My SG and I were thinking about doing base raids, especially after I told them that everything wouldn't have to be replaced. Problem is...we don't have 16 active individual accounts in the SG. Is it absolutely necessary to have 16 to even start the raid or can you have less than that?
Thanks in advance.
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You can have as many on as you want, it's just more fun with more people
Good read.
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You know, I since we're on the subject, I hate chokepoints. Unless you float stuff, there's no way to get 2 elite weapons down with 4 attachments each if you have 2 doorways off the chokepoint. Booooo!
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My sg has about 34 Elite Cannons and 11 SS with full attachments - with alot of choke points...you can get 2 Elite Cannons with full attachments in there without causing any path issues or using floating.
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A while back we did a full upgrade to the base - We have 3x as many cannons now. I was able to fit 4+ elite cannons into the small defense rooms (for the rooms that allow it).
Again if you want to take a tour - PM me.
I was under the impression that Base raids were discontinued because of a bug,am i wrong about that. The coh page says there was an exploit bug in The Citadel of Terror mission and they had discontinued them because of that. Am I wrong in this assumption? I would love to get my Sg into some base raiding but haven't bothered making anchor rooms since I thought they weren't happening anymore.
You are somewhat correct. The Task Force to get the IOP which was the main point of doing a base raid is disabled @ this time.
BUT - SGs and VGs can still run base raids just for the fun of it. You won't get any IOP but it is a another form of PVP that many ppl still enjoy.
Wait u can still perform base raids I've been told they were out of service for 3 years?
[color= yellow] Guide to Base Raiding [/color]
&&(*& CHEATERSS!!!!!!!! over broadcast.
Example of a no holds barred one we did a while back for fun before I get into the guide.
RAID VIDEO Music NSFW or Young Ears
In this raid video vs Darkest Moon, we changed up the format and we did total kills and anything goes minus spawn camping (where possible). Anchors counted as an extra 10 kills. It was a crazy free for all, but VERY FUN for all.
I WANT TO SAY THIS UP FRONT. IF YOU UTILIZE SOLID FUNDAMENTALS OF DEFENSE AND RAIDING YOU DO NOT, I SAY AGAIN YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A PVP BUILD. You also do not have to be level 50, any level can play, it just limits your power choices. ENCOURAGE your low levels to partipate in them, this will give them an eye opening fun experience and something to develop their toons for if they so desire. It also reinforces their desire to better the base and be a better member of your SG.
Welcome to Warface's "Tactical Success for the Base Raider Guide"
First of all, as a background for myself. I am a Marine (getting on in age :P , with two combat tours, and over 42 Instant raids to our groups name ), and when I am not doing extracurricular activities such as running, mountain biking, firing at the range, eating cheetos, or tossing gnomes ~when available, I am spending every waking minute thinking of tactical ways to make my base stronger and better in this wonderful game we know as CoX.
Thats the little evil Combat Engineer in me. Bases are where it's at and have the potential of being REALLY -- REALLY GREAT in the future. If you have ever done a base raid that had your heart pumping down to the last second as you strained to stay jumping in the air to get that last punch on the dimensional anchor.........you know what I am talking about.
YOU CAN MAKE THIS EXPERIENCE GREAT FOR ALL.............Unfortunately so many people have had a bad experience due to various things (some have been fixed) that they don't want to touch raids with a 10 ft. pole:
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[*]1. Team kick bug (which was fixed) [*]2. Lack of IoP and worry about destroyed items not rezzing after raid when IOPs do go live (if ever) (this isnt a problem with instant raids, everything is replaced after raid).[*]3. Spawn camping and being stunned before zone in.[*]4. Taunting.[*]5. Feelings of being lost in a maze of people trying to kill you.[*]6. Traps set like jails or spikes that you dont agree with and leave you yelling YOU (*)*&
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There are things you can do to defend and things you can do to attack to make it enjoyable for all. They (your bases) don't have to look like a spiked tree maze with terrible lighting from hell to be viable. Dont let your decorative talents go to waste and don't let base raids be bad. YOU and the raiding or defending group can change this!
THE GUIDE
In this guide I will attempt to show you the world of base raiding and some techniques you can utilize to make your group better defenders or attackers regardless of your AT mix.
Important Data before we begin: Base Item and Base Room Costs:
Base Items List by Justice Corps of Paragon City
Base Rooms List by Justice Corps of Paragon City
or use the Base Planner by Mad Scientist to formulate all your costs.
and Most Important Azrihaz's Guide to Base Defense Items (with pics)
as well as Teqnikal Guide to Building a Raid Ready Base ver 1.0
<ul type="square"> [*]Section 1. Raid Mechanics [*]Section 2. Leadership for raids [*]Section 3. The Base Defense [*]Section 4. The Base Attack
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