I don't know if these numbers are exact, I don't know for certain how those who came up with them did so, but they seem right. One floor height is 4 feet tall, one desk 3 feet, and the tall shelves ar 8 feet. Therefore, a stack of 4 desks would be 12 feet, the same as a tall bookshelf on a floor one height greater than the one the stack was built on.
Building a library like the one you linked to would involve considerable planning and calculation beforehand, because you'd have to completely dissassemble and rebuild the desk stack each time you had to raise or lower the floor height, which you would have to do for each layer.
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I don't know if these numbers are exact, I don't know for certain how those who came up with them did so, but they seem right. One floor height is 4 feet tall, one desk 3 feet, and the tall shelves ar 8 feet. Therefore, a stack of 4 desks would be 12 feet, the same as a tall bookshelf on a floor one height greater than the one the stack was built on.
Building a library like the one you linked to would involve considerable planning and calculation beforehand, because you'd have to completely dissassemble and rebuild the desk stack each time you had to raise or lower the floor height, which you would have to do for each layer.
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Correct. I've currently built one 4-layer, one 3-layer, and one 3.5-layer stacked shelves so far.
The 4 layers was the most time consuming, desk stacking wise. I started on the mid-floor level with desks stacked 8 high, placed the shelves, then moved all of the desks to the next room over. Next step, raised the floor to the highest level, stacked the desks 4 high (can reuse the previously magic'd desks), placed the shelves, and moved all of the desks back to the next room over. 3rd step, lower the floor to the lowest level, stacked the desks 4 high again, placed the shelves, and moved... blah blah. Last step, move the floor back to mid-level and place the shelves on the floor.
For the 3 layer, I just omitted the mid-floor 8 stack. For the 3.5, built the stack on the edge of one floor section, and placed half shelves in front of them on the lowest height.
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Oh, cool...that's what I needed, a per-layer listing. I'm still gonna create our 'Library of Time' (aka control room) with floor-to-ceiling bookshelves on at least two walls, I swear it...sorry, Warren, the teleporters will be going offline for awhile while I rebuild the room again... 
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Is there some way at all to use floating/magic desks to stack bookshelves? I mean one seemingly directly on top of another, with no gaps and/or overlap? Since the bookshelves are not of a height easily divisible by desk units, it's problemmatic. I've seen a couple pictures like this one that seem to show that it has been done, but I've never been able to make it work for me.
Is this possible? and if so, how is it done?
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Everyone is right on so far. Playing with the floor height is the key. Stacking the shelves with no gap is pretty time consuming but what's really going to kill you is if you decide to make it a multi floor unit with stairs. The stairs are all 4ft in height and that will require you to build 4 additional "levels".
Just have lots and lots of patiences and take your time. Plan out the different levels first. Figure out what level floor height you need for what level and so on. Dont be like me and stack on the fly. I was just fooling around when I tried that monster but persistence got the best of me and I couldn't stop stacking so it became like so.
One advice I want to give everyone is 5 tiers is the highest It seems to go with tall shelves. I haven't figured out a way to go more than 5 tiers all around. You can say 5.5 but I dont consider .5 a tier. For calculation purposes, with 5 tiers that leaves you with a 4 ft gap below your lowest stack and a 4 ft gap above the highest. You can also simple make it so no gap on top and an 8 ft gap at the bottom. Bottom gaps is where the floor height becomes. I like giving it that 4 ft gap above to give it that ceiling look and add in some wall lights and deco. The problem is I don't know how to float anything at a 4ft or 8 ft height. That's what limits it to 5 tiers.
You can also go with 5 tiers if you use the red bookcases but that requires twice as much floor manipulation. It also makes the room very very dark with the dark wood. The good thing about the red ones is that if you are planning on putting flooring and stairs you do have to make that many floor manipulations to start with.
You can also use the red cases as flooring but that will reduce how many tiers you can have and it will put a 4 ft gap between your shelves. It does look nice and solid though =)
As long as you are not planning on making stairs it makes it much easier and you can easily do 5 tiers. By easily I do mean Oooh Emm Gee what did I just get myself into!
Have fun and plan it out! I've talk with some peeps and they say graph paper is their friend. So whichever works for ya =)
Just remember that the floors and ceilings are 4 foot in height while the desk are only 3. From bottom floor to ceiling you can stack up to 16 shelves =)
I was happy with stacking 10 high but I blame it all on Mook when he came to visit and ask a question that I just had to find out.
On a side note. If you do get deep into stacking and want to stack high... GET FLY! or Hover with slots. I can't even begin to tell you how frustrated I was trying to stack with a toon with no fly after I spend 30+ hours stacking with a toon who has one.
I want stacking now, yesterday, today and I just can't seem to even make one magic desk!
You can tell me to read the damn tutorial again, I have already done so twice and it still doesn't work at all.
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I want stacking now, yesterday, today and I just can't seem to even make one magic desk!
You can tell me to read the damn tutorial again, I have already done so twice and it still doesn't work at all.
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They're not perfect. Sometimes they just don't work; sometimes the desks need to face in certain directions (in some bases only one direction will work), sometimes certain areas of a room will temporarily or permanently "demagic" a desk (3 southwest blocks in my TP room do this), etc.
The other option is to post asking, politely, for someone to come watch you work in the base itself and offer pointers that way. I'm at work or I'd offer myself.
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I want stacking now, yesterday, today and I just can't seem to even make one magic desk!
You can tell me to read the damn tutorial again, I have already done so twice and it still doesn't work at all.
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When I make magic desks, I've found that my FIRST desk has to be rotated 180 degrees from its default orientation. Then the 2nd desk is also rotated 180 degrees before placing it right up next to the first. Then rotate 360 degrees three times as per the guide. Try it that way and see how it goes.
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One advice I want to give everyone is 5 tiers is the highest It seems to go with tall shelves. I haven't figured out a way to go more than 5 tiers all around. You can say 5.5 but I dont consider .5 a tier. For calculation purposes, with 5 tiers that leaves you with a 4 ft gap below your lowest stack and a 4 ft gap above the highest. You can also simple make it so no gap on top and an 8 ft gap at the bottom. Bottom gaps is where the floor height becomes.
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Im confused. If theres an 8-foot gap at the bottom, and the book shelves are 8 feet tall, cant you just put another shelf underneath and have no gap?
Id like to have taller book stacks in my SGs library (part of a telepad room). The floors in the base are almost all uniformly at the lowest level. Id like to keep it this way there too.
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One advice I want to give everyone is 5 tiers is the highest It seems to go with tall shelves. I haven't figured out a way to go more than 5 tiers all around. You can say 5.5 but I dont consider .5 a tier. For calculation purposes, with 5 tiers that leaves you with a 4 ft gap below your lowest stack and a 4 ft gap above the highest. You can also simple make it so no gap on top and an 8 ft gap at the bottom. Bottom gaps is where the floor height becomes.
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Im confused. If theres an 8-foot gap at the bottom, and the book shelves are 8 feet tall, cant you just put another shelf underneath and have no gap?
Id like to have taller book stacks in my SGs library (part of a telepad room). The floors in the base are almost all uniformly at the lowest level. Id like to keep it this way there too.
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The reason the rest works is because you can lower floor height as long as no item is actually in contact with it. So if you put a desk then float the item then the remove the desk, the item no longers has contact to the floor.
So the lowest part of your 5 tier will be seating at level 4 or 8 ,which are floor levels. That's why you can't stack anything else under it.
So you actually can't have a multi tiered tall shelves stacking that starts at the lowest floor level since the the next level has to sit on the top floor level. At least that's my problem. So if anyone figures out how to make level 4 and 8 a stacking area without the use of the floor itself you might have to settle for raising the floor level 1 up to make the multi tiered stacks.
I was originally going to remodel the library with 6 tiers but I ran into that level 4 and 8 problem so back to only 5 tiers =(
On the other hand Amygdala's fireplace really inspired me so I am actually busy with trying to figure out how to get a fireplace look. The library will be in the back burner till I get that one done or until the Friday (demolition day) since I told Tigra I would wait a few days so peeps can come visit it.
I do find it causing the most lag in the base during base edit =)
*goes to check on other desk for different desk height then runs back to the spreadsheets*
I just finished a library that involved quite a bit of stacking but not in terms of book shelves. I figured it should go under library images. Here are some pictures of the construction and the final product. 
Early stages...
Making progress...
Voila!
Voila 2!
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Nice!
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Very Nice Amygdala!!! Can I come visit? It's hard to see the details soo far away =(
You are always welcome to come visit EEEKK! Just send me a tell @Amygdala. I should be around this weekend since it's Champion's turn for base tours.
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I just finished a library that involved quite a bit of stacking but not in terms of book shelves. I figured it should go under library images. Here are some pictures of the construction and the final product.
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Stick a couple of items up by the ceiling in the corners where the pillars are. This will suppress the ceiling trim in those corners and make the ceiling area consistantly clean and trim-free.
Very, very nice, BTW. 
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Really nice look! I am jealous of your mad decorating skillz!
OK.. I know how to stack items, But I see nowhere anyone explaining how to "Make" the item float. You can not remove the desk out from under and item once its placed. You will get an error message saying "Can not move stacked item" or "Canot move stack".
So my questions are:
1. How do you make the item float?
2. How do you make non stackable items stack?
I see fireplaces built with stacked arcane blocks all the time. How do you make these blocks stack?
How would I make for example, A chair float over a bonfire?
1. To float an object, simply place it on a desk and then drag the desk into another room. For items with a larger surface area, you will have to use a few desks to support it.
2. When I made my fireplace, I had to float arcane blocks at different levels using desks stacked on top of one another. You can float the top layer, then drag the desks underneath into another room, then place the next layer below, etc. This creates that layered effect with objects that don't typically stack.
Hope that helps!
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I notice that the desks are not the same hight as the blocks though, even when stacked, how do you get the Arcane blocks to look like theyve been seamlessly stacked on one another?
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I notice that the desks are not the same hight as the blocks though, even when stacked, how do you get the Arcane blocks to look like theyve been seamlessly stacked on one another?
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By using different levels of floors. For the Large blocks try stacking from the highest floor, remove the desks. Then the lowest floor, remove desks. Then the middle floor.
All,
Is there some way at all to use floating/magic desks to stack bookshelves? I mean one seemingly directly on top of another, with no gaps and/or overlap? Since the bookshelves are not of a height easily divisible by desk units, it's problemmatic. I've seen a couple pictures like this one that seem to show that it has been done, but I've never been able to make it work for me.
Is this possible? and if so, how is it done?
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