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Quote:You got a lol out of me this time.Originally Posted by The_Spartan
The "C'MON, SON" was a little outdated, Arsonal.
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Quote:I'm quite surprised that Xanatos was taken seriously. After all, you dismissed me as a Roleplayer from Virtue. Xanatos is in fact THE Roleplayer from Virtue. The rule of thumb is that Roleplayers do not make for good PvPers, isn't that right?Originally Posted by Braije
Now, I concur it is an assumption that it would be a 'stacked team'. However, I don't think Xan helped there to much with his statements that you would bring a readied team that would show ppl in this current league what real PvP is like. I took no offense to that, I admire confidence and vigor. But I would hope you could see where that might come off as brash and a bit unnecessary considering this type of vehicle (text) can lack inflection and things can be not only taken out of context, but assumptions will be made. That's just human nature for you.
I went from being the 4 year old tugging at your pant leg to being likeable? Should I assume that this is a condescending tone on your part? Those appear to be running rampant in this thread.Quote:(I like you Vinnie, am a very blunt and outspoken individual, not to mention very sarcastic.) -
Quote:What was presented was an ultimatum, not a compromise. There has yet to be even the slightest approach of a compromise. To do so would again, involve discourse between myself and the organizers.Originally Posted by Braije
Let me just take a second to affirm to you that I am of the opinion the more experience involved the better. Somehow, because I chose to express to you the wall you were going to run into that I am therefore 'arguing' or being 'confrontational'. It is quite the contrary.
The rules were set in place and you can debate until you're blue in the face. At some point, you have to decide where to cut your losses. (That's just a general principle, it also applies here). Now, I concur it is an assumption that it would be a 'stacked team'. However, I don't think Xan helped there to much with his statements that you would bring a readied team that would show ppl in this current league what real PvP is like. I took no offense to that, I admire confidence and vigor. But I would hope you could see where that might come off as brash and a bit unnecessary considering this type of vehicle (text) can lack inflection and things can be not only taken out of context, but assumptions will be made. That's just human nature for you.
That is not to say it made any effect as to allowing another full team to the roster, it's how they've chosen to stick to the rules they've laid out. I can respect that as I've had to adhere to them, but then again it's unfortunate because the more experienced players there are in the mix the better. (I like you Vinnie, am a very blunt and outspoken individual, not to mention very sarcastic.)
That being said, I don't think you're anymore in the wrong than you are in the right to presume what has been presented is an ultimatum. No more so than you not participating if you can't bring an organized team to an ongoing league. It seems that's the option at this point thus for the definition of a compromise. I wish you guys would bring more activity over here so we all benefit in the long run. Whether that be KB's or just practice, I would enjoy more experienced ppl like yourselves here. Since it cannot be a team in the current league that is going on, just come have some fun with us. The team I am currently on would welcome and appreciate more seasoned players to learn from.
In closing, while this league is going on and we have the activity of new to seasoned vets here on the server. I am going to announce a 'Last Man Standing' contest that I hope at the very least you guys will consider worth your time. (Substantial monetary prizes will be awarded. Bills not Mills) I will post the details soon and at the very least for the sake of what PvP community is left I hope will show up and participate. I would hope it wouldn't take just a league for you to move some toons and join us for KB's or even some good arena PvP to motivate. At the very least, maybe my contest will. Hope to see you here sooner than later.
"Take X option or leave it" is not a compromise, it is an ultimatum by definition, as determined by the organizers. No middle ground has been made.
If I had faith that teams would actively practice with a ready roster that I brought to Champion, then we would be there to play. That is a middle ground, but having 6-8 players re-activate accounts in good faith just doesn't seem likely. A guaranteed roster slot is far more concrete, I don't believe that there is any argument there.
An event that offers billions of influence in rewards, while a nice gesture, does nothing for us. I'm not sure what the details of a "Last Man Standing" event are, but if they follow any sort of "Stock" ruleset for a PvP match, I would respectfully decline playing in that as well.
People will say one thing and completely do another. I've had plenty of teams tell me that they would be open to practice against every team I've either lead or been a part of. More often than not, those teams ended up finding something better to do (see: log out) than actually play against us.
My team won't get to play, and on account of that, the community loses out on more players returning to strengthen the PvP playerbase for some time. It isn't a significant loss, I understand that. But it is unfortunate that the individuals running the ship now have an attitude that caters to exclusivity, as that was something that was never really a case with the PvP community. I'm sad to see that what I enjoyed so much about this game has degraded to that. -
Quote:You're reading into it way too much. I said it sounded corny in my head, hence why it was funny to me.Originally Posted by Phillygirl
Giving a disclaimer first doesn't make it any less trollish
It's the same as saying something bad and putting a smile at the end to make it all right.
People don't like to come to meetings where there are no matches I was trying to give positive reinforcement to assure future attendance and would appreciate you not giving it a negative connotation of me treating them like children.
Saying that I appreciate what you are doing is the disclaimer that it isn't trollish or passive aggressive. You need to try actually reading before you jump to the defensive. You have a real nasty habit of doing that. -
For fun-factor, I'd say it definitely has a lot more of that in spades.
But yeah, for farmability, the BAF is certainly the route to take. Upping the amount of Emps you can get out of a Keyes could certainly remedy that though. -
Quote:Selective reading much?Originally Posted by Phillygirl
Being positive and supportive is bad how?
Lighten up. Fast.Quote:Originally Posted by vindizzLe
I can appreciate what you guys are doing over here, but I read this and just cracked up at how corny it sounded in my head.
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Quote:Fight-clubbers, PvErs and badge-hunters alike spent years complaining about the current PvP system while PvPers were actively running a ladder on test and asking about balance changes that had absolutely nothing to do with the changes that i13 brought.Originally Posted by Tokyo
You're blaming everyone BUT the pvp community for the implementation of i13?
That's just dumb. How long have you been playing this game? Were you around when i13 was in test? Do you remember the countless PvPers AND PvErs who voiced that they were both NOT in favor of these changes?
Seriously what you posted makes you come across as a newb. Blaming some "Vast Majority" when it WAS a "select few"; The Developers.
Yes, I was on test when i13 was present. The amount of "PvErs" that you claim were on test asking for these changes to not go live are not as large as you think. That said, people voicing their opinions at that time does not outweigh the number of individuals claiming that unsuppressed movement was a huge problem for years.
Years > i13 testing period.
Don't come out of your face with me. The Devs may have implimented the changes, but I'm not so blind that I'm going to ignore the hours of back and forth with fight-clubbers and PvErs alike that helped Castle push those changes through the pipeline. -
Quote:I can appreciate what you guys are doing over here, but I read this and just cracked up at how corny it sounded in my head.Originally Posted by Phillygirl
Great Meeting last night
Lots of good information and a fun match afterward.
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Quote:Those song lyrics are just fantastic.Originally Posted by ransim
Started working on the page content for the my other half character, Trac-Tor, on VV.
Would love some feedback on the layout or the beginning of the writing, though its not much yet. -
Quote:Alright, fair enough sir. Well played on your part.Originally Posted by HPorch0
Haha, *that* was me being facetious. I mean, c'mon it's Dax! I beat him with a defender (with no self heal) before they ruined PvP. He didn't have travel suppression!
You also had me at "I played Quake:TF". -
Quote:Of course I'm going to be facetious. You were asking Dax who was I to think that I could beat him in a duel.Originally Posted by HPorch0
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I feel like you're being facetious...
I suppose you're talking about the video on youtube? Shad0 was talking a bunch of **** and I told him when I beat him I was going to put a video up. Same went for the Ice/EM. I recorded all of my PvP stuff. Ha, I still have screenshots lying around somewhere of Quake:TF matches from way back when.
Anyway, hello, how're you doing? I don't think I know you, but it's good to see that not everyone in this game is a PvP hater (be it here, or anywhere else).
Yes, focused fire is the way to go. Calling targets and getting rid of the highest threat in an area wins matches. Group pvp is the best. Oh and Xanatos likes men.
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Quote:It's unfortunate that your experience has been this way, mine has been the complete opposite.Originally Posted by Straenge
Personally, yet ironically enough, after being here for over a year now, I rarely RP because I get too easily annoyed by what is normally taken as "RP" here and what I define as RP (IE if you play a god, don't talk to me). However, thats my issue and nobody else's and I wouldn't force it on anyone, just as I wouldn't force anyone to RP if they didn't want to.
However, I will say that in every MMO, I fully believe there needs to be a system in place that rewards people on behavior and mannerisms. This may seem rather pedantic and childish to some but I do think if any server should be made, it should be a place for people who wish to get away from griefers, idiots or the random filth that crowds always seem to draw. That's not saying it should be elitist, but something made for those people who actually know what being a good player means, justified by their manners, maturity level and attitude.
I just know that I am tired of seeing good RP'ers hide in the corners, on buildings or in their bases, afraid of being hassled by someone who will either grief them or break their moment. You don't RP? That's fine.. That doesn't give you the right to bother anyone else. And if an RP team works, then one person who doesn't RP shouldn't dictate whether they do or not.
My feelings over the year I have been on Virtue has changed and I have been told it is just a momentary slip but I still remember just last summer when small groups would RP together under Atlas for a few hours while not being bothered by random idiots. But of course, things are different now and my ignore list is bursting.
Oddly enough, I think I have found the majority of good RP and players villain side which I suppose makes some type of sense. I only wish playing Red side wasn't so annoying to me (not the players, the maps/mechanics).
When I first came to Virtue years ago, I couldn't stand half the people on the server. The RP was ridiculously exclusive and poorly fleshed out. A big surprise considering all of the epic content that I was reading on Creyindustries at the time.
I RP out in the open in local all the time and tend to stay away from Pocket D because I feel it detracts from the dynamic stories that can be told involving the games actual content. I've yet to be bothered by anyone that would warrant regarding adding them to my ignore list. -
Quote:Compromise and ultimatum are not synonymous. A compromise would involve having some form of discourse with me regarding the issue. Nope.Originally Posted by Cherry Cupcakes
The league is closed.
The compromise was/is letting them in and joining the free agent list. The desire is to have more talent on the teams that perhaps need the help, not to add another stacked team in the league. Spreading the talent better to hopefully close the gap from the bottom teams to the top 2 teams. 3 of the teams have takin hits and could use the extra people.
We'd like to make things better for the teams that have been in both the basic training and now this league. Not make it worse. By letting in another stacked team, when there are teams that are in need of people on their rosters, i feel it would be a detriment. Its too bad there is an unwillingness there to perhaps take this offer as a chance to pass along a few tips and pointers to those pvp teams that could certainly use the guidence.
It isnt myself or MAH that are not willing to compromise. It is this other team.
Have you seen what our proposed roster would be, or are you making an assumption that a team is going to be stacked for the sake of?
Take this from someone who has more experience in virtually every realm of PvP gameplay and organization that this game has seen; spreading the wealth does not offer the benefit that you assume that it does. -
I'm not coming down hard on anyone, really. I've approached the discussion with logical and relevant points, and received attitude and reverse-elitism in return. If that makes me a tad bit cranky, I'd be one to say that it is certainly justifiable.
As for creating a league on another server, it is almost counter-productive at this point due to a concentrated amount of players now being situated on Champion. Bear in mind that I am not such an individual that would attempt to pull away from the group of players on one server to strengthen my league/agenda/what have you. Therefore, I find it better to increase a playerbase for an ongoing league and keep that level of PvP in place on one server.
Also, someone made a point about our team coming back and participating in Kickballs, Practice matches.
We have discussed this at length and concluded that if we brought a full team back to actively play and practice with the other active league teams outside of the league itself, all of the teams would refuse to practice with us, with the exception of Liberty's team. -
Quote:The "select few" that you're talking about would be the active PvP community. The vast majority would be the playerbase that whined for changes so that they would, in fact, finally give PvP a shot.Originally Posted by PC_guy
because all input is important?
if i13 only taught us one thing, it was that listening to a select few is and shutting out any feedback is a really really really bad idea.
i13 changes were on account of the vast majority, not the select few. -
Quote:Definitely not. Dark's main debuff is easily detoggled, and Tar Patch is easily mitigated through superior movement. There are far more options that greatly outweigh Bots/Dark (lol). See: Anything/Poison, Anything/Therm, Anything/Pain.Originally Posted by The Artificial Intel
2. I guess balance is a main issue here. I believe Robotics/Dark Masterminds are still the PVP God Tier of MM's
Scrappers have a higher sustainable DPS, that is working as intended.Quote:And why a Scrapper can beat a Stalker in PVP using the same power pools, same slots, same enhancements is beyond my capability of understanding.
Scrapper HP cap is also higher than a Stalker's. Even before the nerf to ET, it was very rare to see a Stalker duel a Scrapper, and even more rare for that Stalker to beat the Scrapper. Such an outcome is more of an indication of the Scrapper's skill (or lack thereof).
For the most part, Virtue PvP is dead. Unfortunately, the "I go to RV only" mentality is partly what is killing it as well. TS & HD delivered the deathblow to the community, many of the active players that still choose to PvP regularly prefer to do it in the arena so that they can get a glimpse of how things used to be.Quote:3. (Least when it comes to Virtue) WHERE THE HELL IS THE PVP?! I don't join Arena to PVP. Arena is specifically for sexy time. No exceptions. I join Recluses Victory to PVP, and I might have -maybe- one to five people at a time.
Many PvP enthusiasts didn't PvP just for the enhancements. There was a long span of time where PvP offered no reward whatsoever outside of a few badges, yet the community was far more active than it is now. Support classes are actually the hardest targets to kill.Quote:4. Combination of (1) and (2), but it feels like support classes are just easy targets, and they are really under-rewarded. You have to do killing damage to get a PVP enhancement (if I recall), so being a support in group PVP is like getting a serrated phallus shoved into an orifice. It's never enjoyable. Unless you're into that kind of stuff.
Holds/Sleeps/Stuns not working can be blamed on the changes to the system made in i13. That's certainly not how things always were. Though, I'm sure that if we went back to the old system, you wouldn't be a fan of break-free management.Quote:5. Group PVP is just god-awful. I'll admit I've seen a few arena fights that actually went as great as expected, but almost ninety percent of the time it's nothing but a focus-fire fest. AoE's are useless (EXCEPT AGAINST YOURS TRULY, DAMNED MM'S), Hold/Sleep/Stuns! THEY DO NOTHING. Also, I'd like to introduce a new mechanic when it comes to Support Classes: AoE Buffs. Think Mastermind Henchmen Upgrades, but instead of doing one at a time (like it used to for MM pets, and still does for buffers) it affects the whole team. That'd make my life so much easier. And lazier. I love laziness.
AoE's being useless in PvP is fairly consistent across the board with many MMO's, focus-firing down a target is the way to go. -
Quote:I personally may be a flagrant ******* at times, but more often than not I'm stuck with that label simply because I present my points in a no ******** kind of way. Most people don't like facts being presented bluntly. Having been a member of the Champion community for so long, I've seen just how far sugar coating things can get you.Originally Posted by Most_Amazing
I think the fact that I made this topic's first post and for the past 8 pages people have been looking out for the better of Champion/CAPE shows you just what kind of a server Champion is.. I don't doubt that your all better PVPrs than everybody else... But tbh, nobody gives a damn whose better than them... People care about the people who are better than them and are interested in helping them out.. For example Masque's Team beat my team by 18 points but the very next post made on the CAPE boards from their team was from Lib saying that if teams were interested with practicing w/ his help he would be available at XYZ dates/times.... So please by all means ride around on your high horse because we don't want a part of it unless your willing to get off and help out... being able to do something is one thing.. being able to teach it requires an entirely different level of understanding.
However, for as much **** talking as I've done, there is not one person that has any experience with me PvP wise that can say that I turned them away when they asked for help.
When dUmb was first starting up years ago, I went to their Teamspeak to offer them advice and suggestions for building a better offense. I've always shared my perspective on the roles that I've played in PvP, be it Disruption, Support, Offense or Target Calling.
CriticalKat is a veteran Champion player. And for all of the back-and-forth that her and I have had, every time that she has come to me with a PvP question, I've always been willing to offer my perspective as best that I possibly could. You would find that to be true across the board regardless of what server I've played on or what team that I've played for.
I have not once in this thread made any argument that I would not make an attempt to help another player increase their skill level. In fact, I've made points stating that the "old guard" (if you will) did just that. At this point in the game's tenure, I consider myself to be a member of said group, and therefore echo that sentiment.
How is my fighting to ensure that another team joins the league in order to strengthen it any indication that I am on any high horse at all? Did I come into this thread and proclaim that my team would destroy everyone else decisively and thus end the "fun" factor in the league?
Being that I am the one doing the most arguing in favor of my team coming in (a futile effort, I am aware) it would serve you well to read what I'm posting as opposed to skimming before you make generalized statements. -
Quote:Aren't you the genius that made an unironic post calling for Defenders and Tankers to be removed entirely from CoH?Originally Posted by Celestial_Lord
People really seem to be missing the whole point of the CAPE PvP League. This PvP League was intended for Champion server PvPers. Not for City of Heroes PvPers as a whole. It was never intended to be advertised outside of the Champion server forum and the CAPE forums. Exit asked about advertising the PvP league on other servers and in the PvP forums, but was specifically told not to and that this PvP league was for Champion server players. Artic advertised it all over anyway.
How many of the 8 people that want to join ever played on Champion outside of a PvP league?
Your notion of exclusivity is going to be the very death of PvP, and therein lies the reverse-elitism that Xanatos was talking about.
Back when the PvP community was far more active, the Test Server community would consistently go from server to server actively trying to pull more players in order to generate more competition on one server. It was there belief that focusing more players and more teams to one server would make the Developers take notice that their subscribers were taking an interest in the PvP system. Those same players also hoped that if enough of them were concentrated enough, their voices and concerns would be heard regarding the state of the PvP system.
Sadly, those players that attempted to foster PvP regardless of rules and regulations have since left the game.
Champion is my home server. I've played here longer than you have. I saw the rise and fall of Champion's RP community, I pvped here when the Arena first released, and took more beatings from HVND then you have cumulatively in your entire time pvping and playing this game.
This reverse-elitism, and the lack of a proper counter argument regarding a new team entering the league are clear indications that a new team featuring highly skilled players is simply not wanted. Braije I believe mentioned that Xanatos thought it was a "conspiracy"? Wrong, it is the only accurate supposition that can be made on account of several reasons leading up to one (accurate) conclusion. -
I miss Adamant_Soul.
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Quote:I'm not sure that the person that posted on the temp account has access to the private forums anymore.Originally Posted by Phillygirl
Heh was trying to figure out who had access to the privet forums and would post from a temp account lol
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Run 8 so far. All successful.
Get at me. -
Quote:Making threats gets you nowhere. This game already lost its' hardcore PvP playerbase. You are not considered to be amongst that group, therefore you will not be missed.Originally Posted by konrad knox
If within 3 months there is no progress in group PvP and conquest development, my family is unsubscribing. Cater to the needs of hardcore PvPers or lose them from the playerbase.
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Quote:Good guess, but no dice.Originally Posted by Phillygirl
so let me guess Hai Peril?
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Quote:bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.Originally Posted by grae knight
oh yeah. And...
Put that on his virtueverse, like, yesterday. -
Quote:Get back to your own welcome back thread, noob.Originally Posted by Xanatos
Welcome back.