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From a vill perspective only and not requiring mass programming changes.

How about upping the dmg for vill ats in pvp only similar to the 30% unresisted dmg or 100% unresisted crits in pvp only blasters and scrappers enjoy.

We need a villian version of a blaster. Make a corruptor the same base dmg as a blaster and remove blaster unresisted dmg in pvp only. The reason that put it there is long since gone. Blasters will still get their 162% dmg boost from aim and bu so they won't cry, oh and match corruptor aim to at least defender aim if not blaster aim.

Domintator should get a dmg boost on thier secondaries. It's dmg for goodness sake, .65 is way too low. Bump them up to corruptor dmg level to match defender ranged attacks. Also please give them a the same acc as a controller. Dom holds miss even with domination up.

Corruptor debuffs should be unresisted the same as defenders and do the same percentage as defenders. Why make their primaries so defender like then gimp them with controller secondaries?

Brutes should match tanks on dmg base. Fury is broke in pvp, period. You have had ages to fix it and you cannot seem to. Just make them the same as tanks and be done with it.

All of these are simple number changes and small changes to heroes (just removing unresisted dmg - because the reason for it is long since gone). These alone would go a long way to making the zones more balanced and have little affect on hero v.s. hero arena and would even encourage viable hero v.s. vill arena pvp.

The others are all just fluff. Seriously? They need to fix villians or not let heroes and villains compete in zone pvp. No one in their right mind does Arena 8v8 heros versus villians because of the absurb power differences. The villian main spike dmg is a stalker AS versus powerboosted double forted aimed and built up blazes...

If there never is a chance to compete on an even field then true pvp is dead - it just pvp in COH and pvp in COV and 'OH the blaster and emp wiped out 30 vills in sc..fun."

Ios were a start - but it only allowed for villains to craft toons that came close in power level to heroes only to find the heros out classed them again - becuase each got the same tool set. (better for the heroes since their were more task forces and such and the boarked KHX that allowed for recipie farming)..

Yes there is skill to the player but the most skilled player would still have a hard time against two level 20's fire/em blaster and empath in sc or bb for that matter.

There are some easy fixes that would turn pvp into true pvp (as in more people making more than just em/nin stalkers and poison mms).

REMOVE UNRESISTED DMG FROM PVP...period
Change vill dmg bases to reflect hero dmg bases.
Change stealth and perception caps to fit ats...(yes the stealth io has made stalkers overpowered but it has made heroes more overpowered see next item)
Villian grantable perception powers pre level 30
Patron powers for villians that a. do not suck and b. are respec out able...

level the playing field a little - the rest is cosmetic. PVP would be most enjoyable if folks had a chance to win or lose.

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2. Groebuck, do you even do arena PvP? I thought the "FoL nuthugger" thing was a joke.....but I guess it's the literal truth? You spend like 2 hours a day talking trash about JAL and praising FoL.....while having NOTHING to do with either group.....or arena PvP in general. What is wrong with you, seriously?

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Back when he was bashing us for having "too many members", he bestowed that title on himself, believe me we have nothing to do with him, nor do we care to.

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Lies ..it was bestowed upon me by el ajax himself at the request of Healing Hank..then recinded the next day...

OS can have the number one rank.
FOL can have the shiney number 2 silver medal and a pat on the head.
We'll give our friend Herr Salmon and his Velocity teammates the number 3 rank and a big lollipop.

Wow not only can they rig the pvpec ladder, Psypunk can now GIVE out your ranking....

Kind of presumptious to assume NDX broke up becuase of vengence stacking...pretty sure they were not losing when they no longer used it...and were you a part of NDX to know why they even broke up? Crappy thing to say...

wonder what will happen to your sg when tourney stacking is no longer allowed.

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As far as the personal attacks against me, I've watched people in my sg play against Velocity,FOL, OS, etc. and guess what? We won every match , so um, yeah....

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Now, now, let's be fair, maybe he's referring to the other official that JAL and Freaks have had. No, that wouldn't work either. What match are you referring to, or did you just decide to go CrueL and pretend practices counted as anything? I believe challenging Tribute and LD to come back to the game is traditionally the next step.


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Oh snap...you got not putzing mad...breaking out the old school (no pun intended)....let me find the ducks match results.

is it just me?? or is Mac HAWT ? -

Oh and lol The ladder -

screw the rules skip the ladder /ignore JAL!!

Yah looks like the ladder is a failure...the group who got #1 skirted the rules and used one of their members status with the pvpec to get them the position...then laugh about it..saying it was all fair and does not really matter (despite the all you have to do is beat us comment).

Stack the deck by matching the same 8 people against everyone despite having a large roster SG and claim no one showed up but those 8 (gee how many people have left JAL? wonder why...oh I bet it's because no one gets to PVP but your elite 8...) Then have Alarys post (gee is it our fault we read the rules...) only to lose that arguemnt with the forum quotes and argue "well the rules don't matter and you guys are babies"

I really really think you other SG's should just ban together and group /ignore JAL...mayeb they should just dry up, go away and leave the game...

From TGIA - check earlier in the thread -

We will then meet up again on Wednesday August 1st at 9 PM EST going til midnight once again. It is expected that SG Captains will simply ask for matches over arena chat. Make sure you face every SG in the ladder on these two nights. If you do not face a group it will be counted as a loss for both groups.

Yes, if a team simply fails to show up you both take a hit. If this is the case it is more than likely going to hit everyone the same way and effectively cancel it out.

One question, If a team fails to show up on either of these nights and you are unable to face them does your team still take the loss as well as the team that wasn't able to show up?

Sunday and Wednesday were chosen as they are usually the most populated nights.

check the thread - read the rules

funny you seem hell bent on laughing this off as drama and you don't really care where you were ranked...yet during the wait for the match you took it upon yourself to contact the event organizer, a channel not open to everyone..to get a ruiling that it was a forfeit and you would get the win - using ladder rules - you like to post quotes - here -

The ladder will begin immediately following a tournament where every group will face one another to determine starting rank.

- the tournament rules were different - it was stated if you do not fight a team you both will suffer the loss

The winner of an official challenge will be the team that can win two out of three matches. If a team wins the first two matches, a third match is not required.

- again - it was not an official match - since it was one fight 10 mins - not best two out of three - no matter the outcome- you failed to fight all sgs in the time alloted..Perhaps if you did not scrimage against velocity for an hour at the start on wednesday you would have had time.

The first round of an official match must begin within 15 minutes of the designated start time. If the match is not started within this time frame, it is an automatic forfeit of that match by the team that is not prepared. If another 15 minutes pass and the delaying team is still not ready, the prepared team takes the win.

How can this be used to give you the win when it was not a first round of an offical match but a tournament with different rules.

No one is discounting your hard work..or what ever..but it seems you worked very hard behind the scenes to get #1..when everyone was telling you the rules as they knew it..that you would take a loss you took it upon yourself to contact the event coordinator at that time to use the ladder rules to get it determined a win...did you announce in the arena chat that the rules were different? Did you tell everyone? nope.

here is the problem - everyone was playing by the rules but you guys. No one is accusing you of spawn camping or using the targeting hack..plain and simple..you in the alloted time you didn fight the same number of sgs that all FOL, OS, Velocity et all did...you used some of the time to practice for your match with FOL and it cost you a loss...which you promptly got turned into a win for you using rules outside the tournament...

and now you wanna cry poor us...

I bet most of the sgs do want you to just leave...less crying, less drama...lol.

I still say the rest should just leave the ladder and ignore JAL...

kk?

really? any other sg's get to talk to TGIA directly during their matches?
Velocity? OS? FOL?...

the fact you talked to him while logged in means you knew it would count against you and wanted to insure your win..

umm no one is giving you credit. You fought 4 sg's and Freaks and OS fought 5. Thier record is 5-1 yours is 4-2. Explain how you get #1 ranking?

By your own groups admission you took screen shots of arena chat and talked to TGIA to assure you were going to get a win out of the non match with ESK..that would mean you knew it was going to count against you...so your group talked to the pvpec to ensure your placing using rules for the ladder not the tournament...

smacks of desperation to me...

I hope the other sgs just drop out of the ladder and do their own thing...ignore JAL completely...like I said you can be #1 all you want...lonely at the top when your the only one playing..gl hf!

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Will you nerds give it a rest? lol

Who the hell cares? FOL has two matches coming up against OS and JAL, that is the point of the ladder.

The ESK and JAL match was listed and agreed upon and many of you were online and commenting in the Arena chat channel at the time. This is not a situation where we had no contact with them and they had no contact with us. A match was agreed upon and listed...hence, an official match was conducted between ESK and JAL and it resulted in a win for JAL due to forfeiture.

There are no shenanigans going on here and "if" JAL had actually won the match with ESK by competition instead of forfeiture, the percentage of our "margin of victory" would've been even higher, thereby further cementing our place in the number one ranking! lol

"If" ESK had not agreed to a match and a match was not officially listed, then TGIA's rules would've applied. That is not the case.

Less bellyaching and more matches...all I read on these forums from a particular SG is bellyaching and excuses for losing like "boohoo, we're being spawn camped and that's why we lose", lol.

Sorry you didn't like the outcome of the tourney, my heart breaks for you. Now, dry it up, and we'll see FOL a week from Tuesday.

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LOL - there you go manipulating the rules - funny how you changed the wording on your website too. Looks like the #2 AND #3 SG leaders think it sucks too.

If I were them and the rest of the ladder members I would withdraw just pvp with the other SG's and ignore JAL all together..then you can be #1 all you want..course with only 8 team members your internals will suck..but hey you want #1 that bad..enjoy it...I bet the rest of the groups who obey the rules and play fair and involve their whole sg would be happy to pvp with each other lol...

I think they should create their own ladder..just leave JAL out of it..that way they cannot manipulate the rules to win or stack the numbers...if the PVPEC is going to hand over top seats to teams with members who help make the rules..why even bother?

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man - so...

you guys took screenshots of arena chat and consult with the event organizer before hand to ensure it is not counted as a loss? Do you have a screen shot of the event listed where you all joined and waited the 15 minutes for them to join before it was declared a forfiet in your favor?? lol cuz it sounds like that is what you need -- oh wait your title says pvpec event organizer...hmmmm...

so this from Psy who said "you act like we knew we were going to lose" and "we didn't even spike or cage.."(yeah that one is not condescending to the new SG's ..we beat you 400 to nothing and hah we were only half trying.."

guess your run the score up to win strategy backfired and one team left before you got the chance to "not try" against them...so you desperatly took screen shots of arena chat just and called on your organizer buddy to give you the win..when the rules seem to state it was a loss for both...

wow...#1 at any cost...looks like the ladder is a joke before it even gets going LOL..

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Yes, and I'm sure JaL will end up will end up winning the ladder on a technicality as well..

Seriously, grow up kid. No one cares what you have to say, take your BS drama elsewhere. kthx ^^

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okies then - lets examine something
the rule you are using to get your first place is this -
The first round of an official match must begin within 15 minutes of the designated start time. If the match is not started within this time frame, it is an automatic forfeit of that match by the team that is not prepared. If another 15 minutes pass and the delaying team is still not ready, the prepared team takes the win.

BUT...that is for the Ladder event after this -
The ladder will begin immediately following a tournament where every group will face one another to determine starting rank.

The tournament rules were pretty clear - two days to fight the SG's who signed up. Velocity, OS, FOL all managed to fight 6 groups - you failed to..in the time alotted. The tournament rules stated that it would be counted as a loss for each team.

Realizing this one of your members takes screen shots of an esoteric agreement to match, quotes a rule for the Ladder ..not the tournement and and happens to be in the pvpec?? and you are given the win when clearly that is not in the rules for the tournement.

So no you're not #1 on a technicality..your #1 on a mistake...and having a member who can talk to the person who decides the rules..does not seem to hurt...

and you can dismiss me but it sounds like Ajax, the other sg leaders aren't too happy with that lil fact either...

I mean Mr. Psypunk told Not Putzing "what's the big deal all you have to do is beat us.." not for nothing...they already did.

man - so...

you guys took screenshots of arena chat and consult with the event organizer before hand to ensure it is not counted as a loss? Do you have a screen shot of the event listed where you all joined and waited the 15 minutes for them to join before it was declared a forfiet in your favor?? lol cuz it sounds like that is what you need -- oh wait your title says pvpec event organizer...hmmmm...

so this from Psy who said "you act like we knew we were going to lose" and "we didn't even spike or cage.."(yeah that one is not condescending to the new SG's ..we beat you 400 to nothing and hah we were only half trying.."

guess your run the score up to win strategy backfired and one team left before you got the chance to "not try" against them...so you desperatly took screen shots of arena chat just and called on your organizer buddy to give you the win..when the rules seem to state it was a loss for both...

wow...#1 at any cost...looks like the ladder is a joke before it even gets going LOL..

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It's kind of funny that you get rewarded for running up the scores. Yay for encouraging the newer groups to keep at it!

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Yah Ed I thought that was funny..the matches I watched with OS an FOL it was entirly different line ups...excpet for JAL...same 8 everytime. Did not matter if they fought OS Velocity, Freaks or SW...it's like they knew even if they lost to freaks as long as they pounded the new groups they would come in first..while the other sg's gave everyone a chance to be in an official match...oh wait...isn't half their SG on the pvpec comittee??LOL..

pretty sad you wanna be #1 so bad in something that is supposed to be fun..that you cut out most of your group from participating...

GG JAL..is there really only 8 + psypunk in your sg?

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First of all,
Freaks were the last SG we fought, so there goes that theory out the window. Second, take into account that our matches kill count with OS was reduced to single digits due to the strategy chosen, where as when FoL fought OS it was run and gun Vs run and gun. Not everything is going to be perfectly fair, you just have to shrug your shoulders and move on. Also, I believe Psypunk is challenging some of the newer SG's as a chance to use some of the new JaL members.. but thx for your concern. ^^

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really?? I could have sworn I watched you match after freaks - where you used the same 8 people to beat an SG no one ever heard of by like 80 to zero?..it's nice that psypunk is challenging the lowest rated sg after the ladder ranking so your other 30 members can get in a match if I understand the messed up rules you can only drop rank if the # 2 defeats you so fighting any other sg except #2 does not threaten your spot....and I fail to understand your logic...what does it matter the make up of the team brought to fight you??..does it matter who brough what? You saw the team before the match started....oh wait a second...you only played your 8 so you could not counter. And does it matter when you fought the one SG left to fight you expected to be difficult? Like I said half your sg in the pvpec or something - the fact you used the same 8 people for every match says to me you knew how to stack the deck to win LOL...Hey not faulting your strategy..I guess I just have more "respect" for the SGs that played like groups - not a group of 8 only...and trust me Mr. psypunk could give two craps about my respect I just calls em like I sees em.

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Yah Ed I thought that was funny..the matches I watched with OS an FOL it was entirly different line ups...excpet for JAL...same 8 everytime. Did not matter if they fought OS Velocity, Freaks or SW...it's like they knew even if they lost to freaks as long as they pounded the new groups they would come in first..while the other sg's gave everyone a chance to be in an official match...oh wait...isn't half their SG on the pvpec comittee??LOL..

pretty sad you wanna be #1 so bad in something that is supposed to be fun..that you cut out most of your group from participating...

GG JAL..is there really only 8 + psypunk in your sg?

so who is # 1?

Great guide I would add some of my input if you like.

Healing Aura is end heavy as is Heal Other - both are up relativly fast and once you can get goligexp in them it's all good but till then I slot an endrdx in each. For heal other I also slot 2 ranges - the farther away you can spam buffs the better you chances to survive. Same goes for Absorb Pain I use 3xheal 3x range for the clutch saves. Clear mind - 3xrange,1xendrdx,1x recharge. The recharge time on cm is 4 seconds - with the anim and one recharge you are basically casting as fast as it is available...again range being key here. A drive by CM keeps you out of melee/nuke/blast range. As the others say once you get membranes in fort your good on the def versus 2hit question...but Phant is right - slot for def first.

epics I have two builds - one is ice mastery for the hibernate - absorb pain leaves you so open to spikes it's deadly..but in the heat of battle sometimes you need to spam a couple. At RV level - you can spam two or three hit hibernate and wait it out safely. You get a good +dmg resist with Frozen armor and a good atk (ICE BLAST) but better is ice storm - an aoe slow for a good a clutch get away.

the other choice is primal forces and there is one reason only to take this. Powerboost. 186% increase on your heals, end mods - woot..suddenly Absorb pain heals for 2000+ your heal other is doing AP like heals and Healing Aura is like a tier 3 greenie! Powerboosted Adreneline boost is insane. You get conserve power too but..with an RA up and good slotting your not running out of end. You get Temp Inv but the resistance is crap.. the choice is up to you IMHO..Powerboost is awesome and if you are the master of evasion? or have a good blaster heavy team who can protect you?? take it. Otherwise take Ice. Hibernate + Phase Shift gives you two escape powers both that let you heal and take no dmg.

I have included my build I use - works awesome in sc/wb/rv and a good arena build if you are in an SG..didn't mean to thread jack Phant just wanted to add to your great post.
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+ Built with SuckerPunch's Online Planner
+ http://www.cohplanner.com
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Name: N/A
Level: 50
Archetype: Controller
Primary: Illusion Control
Secondary: Empathy
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01 => Healing Aura ==> 6xEmpty
01 => Blind ==> 1xEmpty
02 => Heal Other ==> 6xEmpty
04 => Absorb Pain ==> 6xEmpty
06 => Combat Jumping ==> 3xEmpty
08 => Superior Invisibility ==> 3xEmpty
10 => Hasten ==> 3xEmpty
12 => Swift ==> 3xEmpty
14 => Super Jump ==> 3xEmpty
16 => Clear Mind ==> 5xEmpty
18 => Hurdle ==> 3xEmpty
20 => Fortitude ==> 5xEmpty
22 => Stamina ==> 3xEmpty
24 => Acrobatics ==> 3xEmpty
26 => Super Speed ==> 3xEmpty
28 => Grant Invisibility ==> 4xEmpty
30 => Invisibility ==> 3xEmpty
32 => Phase Shift ==> 3xEmpty
35 => Recovery Aura ==> 6xEmpty
38 => Regeneration Aura ==> 6xEmpty
41 => Adrenalin Boost ==> 6xEmpty
44 => Hibernate ==> 3xEmpty
47 => Frozen Armor ==> 3xEmpty
49 => Ice Storm ==> 1xEmpty
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01 => Sprint ==> 1xEmpty
01 => Brawl ==> 1xEmpty
02 => Rest ==> 1xEmpty

try this - ea stalker with fly - whirlwind and repel LOL flying around and double doinking everything while hidden lol

as do I - if the heroes new that the ill/emp helping them win was one of the stalkers owning de [censored] a few mins ago they would sheit bricks lol - sadly most do not - like I said it is sad to see them jump on their villians to only kill a droner then go right back to ganking - no fun in that.

no I play no MM - I play a fire/therm dedicated towards healing and buffing - a emp wanna be but never gonna be :lol

oh and a em stalker for my 400 rep lol

on Freedom in SC there is a guy named Droney Mc Drone - a spines ea stalker built to do nothing but drone the camping heroes....

kinda funny actually the all start barknig in open broadcast about how he has ruined the "fun"....and he keeps telling them "back off and I cannot drone you" which of course results in "come out of your base and we will""....ahh the fun..

much as folks hate him I think he is right ...I mean if there are three of us and 20 of them with three emps - AND they ar tping us out of our own base to gank...where is the fun in that?

the best part is - heroes get so mad they jump on their villains to get confused to kill him...not to make it fair mind you...to kill one stalker - with their villains...lol. then go right back to camping.

Anyone coming across this there are some obvious errors - enhancements are capped at 30 - powers available to all are capped at powers you took until 30 - slots - slots are not. For example - I talke ice bolt and all through my lil life I kept it at 1 slot for acc. Then at 40 I get my three slots and decided to put them all in ice bolt - now it is 4 slotted and you know what - when I show up in sirens - it is still 4 slotted...

a 50 will argue with you "we are all 30 here..." then point out "yes but you have more slots than I"..you will soon hear "THEN GO LEVEL..IS IT MY FAULT I AM A 50?? NOOB"

Also - Empaths - they are like remoras - you will find them attached to a blaster or scrapper..if your a dom leave - you have just been negated by one power - CM. If your a stalker leave you have just been negated by one power CM. If your a brute leave - You have just been negated by two powers Absorb Pain and Fort..If your a ...well you get the point. We have nothing like an empath. Nothing...sure the herpes (oops) heroes will say "you have therms..." laugh at them. Fort > Forge CM > Thaw....the end. A therm in SC can maybe heal for 300 with a pretty hefty end drain - Absorb Pain - no end drain and 900+ heals. That is right 900+ that is almost full health for a tank!..sure they cannot heal themselves for a bit of time but a good emp will have sup invi (troller) or invis+ps so their health is just fine...and god forbid you go after the emp - the wrath of all who worship the temple of empness will crush you..oh you might take him or her out but you and all your children's children will be dead.

You will hear this one a lot "get a team" if you dare to complain...the problem is SC is turning into Stalkers and MM's. A good corr team shows up now and again..but more often than not your LFT goes unanswered these days. Heroes think they team well, they don't. They team with defenders and controllers well yeah. I know one team where the empath stays in the hospital - never leaves - buffs the blaster who comes out kills two or three till he dies then does it all over again....is that teaming>?? or prostitution lol!!

Sigh - having been back to sirens I thought it was time to bump this

My point - CM is almost standard in any good pvp - with confuse protection being a natch as well as ungodly hold protection - most if not all pvp hero toons have some sort of mez protection - sad that one power for one hero at can ruin our day (and most doms) - I think you meant 3 heals 2 init redx and 1 rech on aid self not aid other?

SoC is awesome yes - but in a pure pvp build I think there are other powers (pr/sec and pool) that serve a plant/thorn dom better.