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Quote:#2: Nope. Again, 50,000 ships are NOT more complex than ONE BIG SHIP that is to perform the same task. Because in making the larger SYSTEM, one has to account for all sorts of things that the 50,000 individual ships take care of ALL BY THEMSELVES. Everybody gotta go #2? No prob, everbody has a little bucket. On a large ship, you cannot have One Big Bucket.I'm saying that
#1 If you were able to make a small ship and a big ships almost 100% the same save for say a huge empty space, which you can do in this case, then while the big ship is slightly more complex due to design that
#2 this big ship would always be less complex than 50,000 ships together that are all designed differently and not only would it be less complex it would be less of a draw on their resources and overall it would take up less material.
And I apologize for that gruesome visual.
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Quote:Of course not. If you take a machine and make it "imaginarily" larger, it is not 'more complex'. But why do you care then? The nature of making something Much Bigger actually changes its ability to perform a desired task. That's what everyone is talking about, and you have repeatedly denied this fact. And this fact is actually IMPORTANT. With a possible few exceptions, a larger mechanical object requires more things to make it work than the basics of the original object. And materials and design and physics and all that stuff are actually important to any conversation of consequence.Are we still not getting the whole possible/impossible thing? I did not say it was possible to do that. I said if it were possible. Everything just being bigger, but fundamentally the same does not make something more complex.
We are not taking into account the gravity, nor the process which would be needed to make the same material be exactly the same at super sizes. I am saying that a structure that is 100 foot tall and a 10 foot tall building that you looked at the plans for and saw they were 100% the same just that one has everything bigger is one not more complex than the other.
Even if the materials weren't processed in some magical way I would still say they are the same in complexity the same as I would say a 5 foot human is of the same complexity as 6 foot human.
As far as the tv... because of what you said... Let's say you have a car and you have a 2 piston engine in it. You remove that engine and put in an 8 piston engine. In arguably the 8piston is more complex and more advanced. Does this make the Car more complex? I would say no. The car isn't magically more complex because one of it's parts is more complex now.
Re: engine: Is it harder to fix if it breaks down now? Are there more moving parts? You're going to have to pick: if you mean the Macro operation of the machine, no, it is not more complex. But if you mean the actual intrinsic workings of the machine, then I would propose you ask a lawnmower mechanic to fix your Hemi. And if you mean operating it, ask a Cessna pilot to fly a Jumbo Jet. The basics are the same, but the SIZE of the Jumbo jet actually changes the basic way you operate the machine. -
In your example, the HDTV is not part of the intrinsic function of the building.
In your other example, the failure of one ship in the flotilla will not generally have a significant impact on the larger system, and it can be pretty easily discerned. -
So you're still not clear that increasing the size of an individual part is not trivial?
So you think that you can make a paper airplane with a 100 foot wingspan?
Do you think that a 10 foot tall bumblebee can still fly?
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Wow, I just got the visual of a Bots Mastermind themed Halloween costume with the Mom dressed up as the MM, the dad as the Assault bot, and the kids as the little bots, running around going "Pew Pew Pew!"
That would be the most epic CoH Hallloween costume Ever.
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Ok, I'll drop an off-the-cuff colloquial definition of "complex".
A system is 'complex' if the relationship between each of its subsystems is not easy to grasp, or sometimes, even discern.
"Larger" systems inherently have more 'moving parts', and it is thus sometimes more difficult to ascertain the effect of a change/failure in one part on the whole system.
In fiction: the Death Star. Who'da thunk that puting a tiny missile in an exhaust port would blow up the WHOLE THING?(OK, not a great example. But lol.)
In real life: the Space Shutle Challenger. (Relatively) tiny systems failure.
An example of a VERY complex system: the climate of Earth. Lots of moving parts, can't always tell how one change in the system will change the 'superstate' of the entire system.
Another very complex system: a living creature. And it's pretty easy to show that a larger system is much more complex than a smaller system in living things: Compare an amoeba to a squirrel. Living things have the same basic functions on a macro scale (eat, reproduce, etc.) but larger creatures need organs and specialized systems to do the things that are not needed at a smaller scale.
Wikipedia: Complex System
A complex system is a system composed of interconnected parts that as a whole exhibit one or more properties (behavior among the possible properties) not obvious from the properties of the individual parts.[1]
Wow, I highly reccommend that article - lots of detail! -
Quote:It's funny, because while my mathematics degree is also laughing pretty hard, the Electrical engineering degree I started out to obtain, and the subsequent Mechanical engineering degree I also attempted, are pondering soberly.Really? My physics degree isn't in pain, it's just gasping for air from laughing so hard.
The problem, Durakken, with making something larger is that physics doesn't scale with you. To have the pieces of a building 100x larger behave the same, you need gravity to be 100x weaker, friction to be 100x stronger, and probably the materials would need to be 10^6 times stronger (100x cubed, because of the three dimensions).
Physics works differently at different scales. Sometimes that helps you, sometimes it hurts you. Scale changes on that magnitude are never simple.
It doesn't make me any more 'expert' on the subject to have failed at those attempts... but it's ok, I probably failed because they were so complex. -
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One other thing a small boat/small apartment building does not really have to consider that a large ship/skyscraper has to contend with: physical stresses of scale. For example, no one cares what a 20 mph wind will do to a 5 story building, but a 75 story building needs specific engineering to deal with those very stresses. Similarly, if a 40 foot houseboat runs up on a sandbar, it might be a bit of trouble to get it off, but if a 825 foot tanker (let's even assume it's empty) runs aground, it would probably have catastrophic hull damage.
Remember, physical forces over large areas increase with the area presented to the force, and areas increas as the square of dimensions... so the force over a 2x2 area vs 4x4 area vs an 8x8 area is 4 vs 16 vs 64. This adds design and materials complexity. -
Maaaan. Two things:
1) I never, EVER expected you would go to such a place. </Respect.>
2) I should have totally seen that coming. -2 Man points on me.
Also, Hyperstrike, the inherent subtleties of your point are well taken, and your level-headed and reasonable mode of expression is laudable. -
Gonna have to disagree on this one. Anna is 7 kinds of super-gorgeous. That neck is... amazing. And the hair really suits her.
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You can't really count Denis Leary as part of the 'successful because they picked him for a look' crowd, imo - I mean, the guy seems to have tried to piss off every person in the world with his humor... he might be more coincidentally falling into that crowd.
I think Scott Bakula may belong in that group as well, though I think his face (is starting to look) surprisingly like Ian McKellen's... -
Also, imagine bringing a bicycle to a stop. Pretty simple, right? And that's pretty complex little machine, relatively. How about a pickup truck? Not sooo hard.
Now try to bring a supertanker to a stop. Ya think ya might need a little more room? (5-10 miles?)
Ya think ya might need some foresight as to what's much further ahead? Perhaps a sensor/system to look ahead? Do you know any cars that need radar to operate?
Does that make a larger unit more complex? You bet. -
Larger motors are DEFINITELY more complex than smaller motors. Because in order to maintain efficiency, you can't just 'size up' - you have to design more carefully, take more failure conditions into account, be more careful selecting materials, use finer tolerances in manufacturing (a 0.1% divergence in a 5cm piston is... 0.005 cm, or 0.05 mm, or 1/2 the width of a human hair. [http://primaxstudio.com/stuff/scale_of_universe/] I think that might be an acceptable tolerance in a car-size engine.
In a 50 cm piston (For a large ship, maybe?) it would be 0.05 cm, or 1/2mm. Easily visible to the human eye. Ever seen 100,000 psi of flaming gases go through a 1/2mm hole?
I believe some of the word used are "catastrophic failure", "explosive decompression," you get the picture.
And in terms of materials, you'd need much different materials for an engine with 10x the displacement, because the temperatures are MUCH higher.
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Yup, blasters are pretty much done. They certainly don’t help on ITFs, LGTFs, or Apex.
Also, tanks, yup, don’t need any more of those. I can tank Hami with a well placed Brawl on my Mastermind. And LR is a noob.
And so on, and so on…
How many times a day do people bring up the Obsolete AT argument? Wait, let me go start another one. We’re getting low. -
What, no one recalls This Classic?!?
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One of my favorite series starts with this trilogy:
The Farseer Trilogy, by Robin Hobb
Warning: It ain't kittens and fluffy bunnies.
Also, it is 9 books total, and they're LONG books to boot.
But I really liked it.
Also, if you're into science fiction at all, you have to read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and all of its sequels. For many, many reasons. DOO EET. -
Quote:This, mostly. I only have less than a handful of 1 *'s (because usually if they're that bad, I petition and gignore), and I use notes liberally, so I don't have to depend on my swiss cheese memory.So, my ranking system is something like this:
5 stars: Real life friends, SG officers, and other especially helpful people.
4 stars: SG-mates, and other players who have been generally helpful and friendly toward me.
3 stars: Players I've been on a pick-up group with, but didn't really stand out one way or the other. This is the only rank for which I don't include a note explaining what warrants the rank, since it is my default.
2 stars: Players who do things that, while generally inconsiderate and annoying, are not things that violate any actual game rules.
1 star: Those who have commited petition-worthy offenses such as griefers, trolls, RMT spammers, cyberstalkers, and people who spew threats and abuse. -
I use them whenever I remember them. Great feature!
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I lol at Johnny Butane. Not the 'with you' kind of lol, but the 'at you' kind.
And not because you're "Johnny Butane", but because your arguments are specious, disingenuous, and illogical.
GLHF. Or don't, because you seem to have decided not to. -
Soulwind: Not that I'm familiar with the tech, so forgive me if I sound ignorant, but I'd hope it would be some kind of database link to the TF's that drop the reward, rather than a manual text update.
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To the OP: No, and No.
Thank you, and Have a Nice Day.