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Quote:I'm surprised this isn't a big red flag that we're labelled VIPs and yet we still have to pay more money to get these points, or wait 2 months.Originally Posted by Verene
I haven't played it yet (don't have the points yet) but I find the animations hilarious - looks vaguely like the martial arts version of old-timey footage of Babe Ruth running the bases.
I am honestly surprised, if I really cared about street justice I'd be appalled about being a VIP and still having to pay extra for it. -
Quote:In other words, buying a ton of stuff players don't want, good call there. I think it's safe to say that this is not the Freedom we're looking for. This isn't even remotely close to freedom, this is just elitism.Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Anyone can, for $15 have nearly unlimited chat ability: They can subscribe.
You VIP elitists have a whole server to yourself, what more do you want? Meanwhile us normal VIPs want to have fun without dealing with premium segregation. -
Quote:Oh wow haha, love the laugh.Originally Posted by Snow Globe
For $45 a new player can buy 3,600 points
Factor that not everyone wants 3600 points and then come back. I don't even know what I'd do with 3600 points, much less a premium player that just wants global chat.
Stop killing the argument here and actually come up with a reason besides RMT (cause channel moderators are too lazy to unsilence) or "getting lots of points too!" then come back. -
Quote:Exactly. I played WoW, I got RMT spam at least once every 3 days, you know what? Life went on. We did not have some nuclear holocaust. In fact, over time we found it pretty funny. We pointed out grammar mistakes and spelling errors for laughs.Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
None of these reasons is compelling enough to me to abandon my hope that I will be able to decide who is able to communicate with me. I certainly don't want *you* deciding that because you can't handle it, I can't either, and we pay the same monthly fee. In fact I find the idea of you being "against" paid players deciding who they receive tells from almost offensive.
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Quote:Well I can indefinitely say that our SG is having a hard time because we really want to OOC chat with the Premiums and they can't because they don't have that much money to drop instantly. We're mostly VIPs that brought friends in, who became premium, and now they're only getting 1/4th of the SG experience because they can't pump out $15 a month. It also inconveniences the VIPs because now we're having to brainstorm over a whole new method.Originally Posted by General_CoH
I think that Father Xmas hit the nail on the head. The devs made a decision to entice people to spend more money by putting some features behind high pay walls. It's a decision that annoys many players, but could be financially astute. I think it's too early to tell, but since I've seen posts from people saying they plan to spend $90 or whatever to get to tier 7 and unlock IO's apparently it's working for them in some cases.
Whether in the long run this is going to make more or less money is hard to say. It's possible that most people will adapt to these restrictions, annoying as they must feel. I think it's good though to highlight where some decisions interfere with how people play the game, in particular how they affect VIP's. The devs can't think of everything, so such feedback is important, and in the long run they might make changes based on it. -
Quote:I would be just fine if the requirement to unlock (permanently buy) global chat was to buy between $15 and $25 worth of Paragon Points. I simply believe that $45 is too high and alienates premium players that like to RP because it's fairly common (been asking my SG) for large RP groups to use global channels as an OOC. Since globals also stretch server-wide, it helps maintain a constant chat room for SG members that have multiple server characters. The price above $15 is enough to soothe the channel "moderators" that want to play and not worry about actually moderating their channel, but it's not so much that I would have to do without lunch for two weeks straight to pay for.Originally Posted by LISAR
Confused...when you say all for chat costing $15 a month are you talking about channels or tells. Because at $15 month they could just be VIPs...
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Quote:My entire argument is based around global chat being a tier 3 token ($15) and not a tier 3 unlock ($45)Originally Posted by Snow Globe
What, exactly, are you arguing here? First you are going on about how all free players should be allowed to join and be auto-silenced, and now are going on about people of a set reward tier being shut out of global channels.
If ANY monetary fee curbs RMT, then this should more than suffice. Try again. -
Quote:No it won't, that's RMT paranoia talking. Spending 5 minutes a day (less than that after the first few days) to unsilence new people in the channel is not going to cause a cascade failure. It's called responsibility, and if people don't take it, we get petty threats like this as a facade for the real issues.Originally Posted by Brillig
That attitude will result in there being only two types of channels. The spam-filled and the dead.
Fact: I can spend $5 and create a program that sends RMT mail to every person in the game. Really, just $5, no joke. Premium members get in-game mail. I can also spend $5 and spam messages to everyone.
I just can't join a channel with MUCH less people in it and spam them because it's $45. Then again I couldn't do that in the first place if channel moderators owned up to their responsibilities and checked my name before unsilencing.
RMT is a facade, a long past event that still grips people with paranoia and allows Paragon to get away with taking away a well nigh essential part of the game experience. Free players shouldn't get squat, but premium players that pay when they can? They deserve respect. -
Quote:As I said, I would be much more than happy if it was purchasable in the item shop under account services, that would be the best thing because it would allow Paragon to set a decent price on it. I vote $10 equivalent, but won't hold my breath for anything near that low.Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
Really? Because unlike the SG channel, global channels will reach members who are playing on another server, on the other faction, or on a character who is in a different SG. I know of several SGs that have their own global channel for that reason.
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Quote:Can't take the responsibility? Don't host a channel. You created it, you are labelled as a moderator, it is your responsibility. You unsilence people all the time, re-silencing them is just part of being a moderator.Originally Posted by Snow Globe
As a channel moderator, I can say without one shred of doubt that I want to play the game not have to patrol for spammers joining the global channels I take care of.
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Quote:The free dinner is cheesy potato soup then.Originally Posted by Dispari
If my dinner is free I don't think I'll complain.
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Quote:I just want to say "thank you" for realizing I'm not talking about free or even entry level premium players. I'm all for the chat costing about $15 (heck, I'd go $20, month sub +$5)Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
As I said check with the operators. i don't think every channel has that feature.
Also keep in mind there is now RMT spam in the help channels.
EDIT: With that said I would not oppose to them lowering the barrier from $45 to $15. Or whatever other compromise they can think of.
Free players I couldn't care less about, if they want to tell, etc, the system in place should stay as is. But as you said you aren't talking about free players. -
Quote:What caution though? What are we still defending against? We just proved RMT spam can't happen in a channel because they would have to be unsilenced. Seriously, we just proved RMT isn't a threat, what are we being cautious against then?Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
I think they are errring on the side of caution.
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Quote:You do realize that the $40 has to come from somewhere right?Originally Posted by Oneirohero
I'd like to see free players getting the ability to reply to tells, but I don't believe Paragon is doing it just to get more money out of people.
Just get a 3 month subscription (worth 13.95 per month each) and with the one token you get for spending for the first time, plus the three you'll get each month as VIP, and you'll have enough to reach tier 3 and have all communication channels unlocked by the time you return to Premium, and get to enjoy all the channels from Day 1.
$41.85 vs. $45 in pure points, not that much cheaper, but cheaper all the same.
Tell you what, next time you're at a dinner, you have to pay $40 to use utensils. It's ENTIRELY possible to eat without them, and we don't want RMT advertisements on the forks because some people pay less for their meals. -
Quote:This RIGHT here proves that this isn't about RMT. I can pay $5 and get access to mail, so I can spam it all I want, but I have to pay $45 to get in a channel that RMT spam couldn't affect without being intentionally unsilenced. This utterly and completely proves that this isn't even about RMT. Unless the admin of a channel is an absolute invalid, RMT spam would never hit the custom channels. It's not that hard to know that player ashfg1002 is not a real player.Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
As someone who has some older characters with 100+ emails with that are all RMT, I'd say you don't know what you're talking about in regards to the part I bolded.
And last I checked, I'm pretty sure you have to be unsilenced before you can talk in any channel. But I would check with that operator's channel. -
Quote:People not paying $15 at least, don't deserve it, but $45 is obscene. It's also not limiting RMT because last I checked player had to be (or could be set to have to be) unsilenced before they can chat. Or wouldn't that require a bit of player input? Oh God forbid VIPs have to lift a finger and pitch in to make the game better. Try again, I'm really trying to be civil about this, but that excuse doesn't fly and it just shows how bad the situation is.Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Most people in this thread are not talking about Premium access to global chat channels. They are talking about players unwilling to put out $5. Guess what? they are getting exactly what they are paying for.
As to the global channel access, yes, it is about Paragon Studios making money. I have zero problem with that. That it also helps severely limit a RMT from spamming up to 2,500 accounts at once across all servers is just icing on that cake. Global channel access also puts a greater strain on resources than a server or zone limited channel, so they are asking for more money from premium accounts for that access. -
Quote:$15 actually, 3 times what you're assuming. $5 I can understand perfectly, way too low. $15 on the other hand is really expensive for an account to get banned within 5 minutes.Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Your complaint is that players who invested just $5 in this game.
Secondly, we have a lot of people that talk a lot, we can't put OOC and IC in the same channel or we could never keep up. We also have a coalition, which is also IC.
Third, this isn't the SGs fault, this is the players fault for not putting custom channels on silence by default. God forbid that VIPs have to take a little responsibility with channels they created, so they hyper-inflated the RMT threat and gave Paragon a perfect money milking scheme. -
Quote:If it was about RMT it would be $15, not $45. This is all about making money and they're hiding it behind the RMT threat.Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
The restrictions are in place to prevent RMT, not to force folks to buy conveniences or spend money.
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If someone talks about free players one more time I'm going to blow my fuse and get banned.
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Quote:This isn't about RMT, F2P, server channels, this is about Premium players and custom, player made, global channels.Originally Posted by CommunistPenguin
Why not just add a new option under the control panel that turns off tells FROM F2p people? So if you are really that threatened by RMTers you just flip it and no more F2P tells...
The $45 price tag on chat restrictions (hang the rest of the bonuses, most premium players don't want them) is an overzealous anti-laziness scheme. Are we seriously going to sit here and say that there is no alternative when we have a perfectly good and working brain that can check the "silence on joining" button and un-silence players ONLY after whispering to see if they're legit? Is it just laziness or lack of responsibility? Are we going to have some cascade failure if players who create a chat room have to monitor it? I don't feel like I'm being protected, I feel like I'm being told I'm not smart or responsible enough to handle the situation myself. -
Quote:Channels already have a "mute by default" option (See: Virtue TF chat) so that's fairly redundant. I'm talking about premium (not free) players being able to join if invited.Originally Posted by Forse
How about...
When a custom Chat Channel is created, a toggle can be put on that allows Free Player Access. A command that can be switched on and off by any nominated moderator of that custom Chat Channel.
Then, y'know, people that have created their own Chat Channels can decide for themselves if they want to see F2P accounts speaking on their channel or not.
Also gives a chance for Community Leaders to create havens for the F2P players, promoting community cohesion and giving chances for new community groups to form. New community groups including F2P players would encourage them to stick around, and gives them exposure to customers (Premium/VIP) that are actually positive community examples (because they're taking the time to willingly interact with the F2Pers).
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How about that?
Also, I'm not talking about making it a $5 purchase, I'm talking about making it something you get from putting a token into tier 3, not finishing tier 3, which makes it a purchase of only $15, not $45.
Also, I get more you say? What if I don't want more? What if I just want chat and not Greek letters/kilts/hoverboard? My friend just want to be able to join the SG OOC channel, even if they have to be unmuted by the admin before they can talk (which we already do).
Lastly, just pay more? What if we don't HAVE more? I'll be skipping lunch for the next 5 days to pay for my friend's $15, I can't afford to keep doing that. -
Quote:$45 to get a decent chat capability?Originally Posted by Morgan Reed
If they fill tier 3 completely, accounts get access to all chat channels.
That's pathetic, even by "business is to make money" standards. Good way to tick off the VIPs AND alienate new players in the same go. Sure, that just sounded a bit rant-ish, but this is ridiculous. -
Quote:I don't see it as a tier 3 unlock, they can whisper, talk in team, but they can't join a custom channel.Originally Posted by Aggelakis
It *is* Tier 3, I'm not sure what your complaint is? Better explanation for to be having please?
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Since the recent F2P update, our SG has been getting quite a number of recruits. Players will go premium to gain access but there's just one problem:
They can't use our OOC chat.
This is a HUGE oversight. I get that there's this overzealous obsession with keeping RWT out, but if someone pays $15, I think it's safe to say they should be able to at least have the ability to BE INVITED to a custom channel without worrying about RWT spam. I can understand keeping the $5 group out, but make it a tier 3 token please and NOT fill tier 3, just one tier 3 token. this just isn't going over well with the RPers. Ya know, Virtue server? Majority RPers? Tons of people? This is even bugging the VIPs a lot.
Edit: This isn't about RMT, F2P, server channels, this is about Premium players and custom, player made, global channels.
The $45 price tag on chat restrictions (hang the rest of the bonuses, most premium players don't want them) is a very big gap as far as the RP community is concerned. Are we seriously going to sit here and say that we are incapable of stopping RMT when we have a perfectly good and working brain that can check the "silence on joining" button and un-silence players ONLY after whispering to see if they're legit? Is it just laziness or lack of responsibility? Are we going to have some cascade failure if players who create a chat room have to monitor it? Is a single RMT whisper going to horrify and scar a person for life? Is that REALLY the case here? -
Want to know the biggest crime though? My friend paid $15 worth of PP and he STILL can't really RP with my SG because he can't even be invited to the custom OOC channel.
I'm not asking for miracles here, just that premium players be allowed to enter a chat room they've been invited to. RWT be hanged, that's not the real excuse as far as this is concerned.