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Originally Posted by Suffer

I've been reading through the rules, and power limitations and I'd like to suggest a few things. The main point being, at least voting on Alpha only, or specific incarnates allowed. I understand the sentiment that people grinded and worked hard for their incarnate powers, but bear in mind that nothing released after issue 13 has been made with pvp specifically in mind. Incarnate powers are included in this.

Incarnate powers, weren't made, or scaled in effectiveness to truly be used in pvp, most of them, their effectiveness is the same in pve as it is in pvp. Give or take a few percentages. People could easily do judgement spikes for an easy 1-2 kills, which in a 5v5 could make the difference in winning or losing. Pyronic judgement for instance, has basically a blaze cast time, and does around 300+dmg. Judgement alone severely reduces the skill attributed to acquiring kills in a team setting, this applies not only to Pyronic, but to Ion, that is albeit a bit longer of an animation but still does good dmg.

Destiny isn't any better, allowing a squishy to heal for 1200+ with rebirth, or boost the effectiveness of healing by 80% with incandes, once again detracts from the skill and necessary teamwork of team pvp. Sure Rebirth roots you, and incan is a teleport, but nonetheless, you would see large heals and increased survivability, but the damage of those teams isn't boosted, it remains as a constant. So you would see people almost never dying, with a sub-par emp because of one ability. You can suggest that end drain might be an issue for teams running multiple incans, however, in that case, a team would just bring a storm and cancel the drains, with an O2 boost for over 1000+HP. Or simply bring 20 blues, since our heals from our emp would be well over 1K as well.

Interface is an issue in itself. If lets say, 3 of the damage dealers on the team of 5, each have reactive, and lets say they each land 4 attacks, that is 12. Lets say that they are intelligent and using reactive radial flawless interface, generally speaking, each tick from the dot is around 9-12, thats over 100dmg purely from dot. Thats not really indicative of any skill, that extra dot may earn a team a kill, also each tick potentially reduces dmg resistance, boosting the dmg of the spike slightly.


I feel that I am re-hashing, information that all of you already know, but aren't really thinking through. I fully intend to participate, however, I feel we should at least put this to a vote. As it stands, allowing interface, judgement, and destiny incarnates seems to seriously take away the skill required in team pvp. It would allow sub-par players, to be successful, and only because of a system, made without pvp as its focus. I seriously hope you will consider my proposal. I feel if this is to be a league based on competition, and player skill, which determines the victors, then Alpha only should be the way to go. Thank you.

Originally Posted by vindizzLe

I spent 4 hours in a near permanent state of travel suppression.

It's good to be me.

Originally Posted by Magnificence

Yo, I joined Sentry4 and some other PvP Redux last night as Noisebomb. I don't have a PVP build and I spent a lot of fights getting spanked, but I still had a blast. If you ever thought about getting into PVP on COH, give PvP Redux a chance.

Originally Posted by Aumakua

So far from the e-mails I have been getting from other players about using all weapons and powersets is a bad idea and actually someone suggested that to limit it to MA, SJ and SS/WP to limit overpowering builds. I kinda like the idea since it is actually RPvP and not regular PvP. If this works and if this work and gets a following then later we can start the UMMC (Unlimited Meta Melee Championship) where all superpowers are allowed, but for now I do think we should keep it limited. What do you think?

Or we can just have two groups a Human group and a Superhuman group running at the same time? The superhuman fights will be the main event.

Originally Posted by Mod_Noc

Would you suggest to use all the power set and not keep it limited?

Originally Posted by Sentry4

I would not suggest going on with this event.

As someone who spent the last 3 years with his attention on Fight Club PvP, I know, and 2 of my friends know, there are certain combinations that are going to dominate this competition.

The rules are so specific that I can already see the limitations on people, making it impossible to counter certain tactics.

You've taken Rock/Paper/Scissors and removed the Rock. Everyone will be rolling Paper, and since WP is the only secondary, there is nothing to kill Scissors.

As fun as this competition may be for some people, understand that a couple of us diehard min/maxers will completely obliterate this competition. This is some of the most imbalanced competition I have ever seen.

Do not give away prizes for this, and no dev should help organize this. If it were to go through, you'd have 3-4 PvPers killing everyone else within the first minute for every single match. It would be broken as hell.



I -could- provide a nice list of powers to ban in order to stop this from happening. For example, stop WP/SS tanks from spamming Jab/Box with 3-4 procs and killing everything. In this case, you'd ban Boxing from the competition.

If you include set bonuses, you have a select few who know exactly how to PvP spec their build for fighting WP toons. The gap between the average player and the top player would be extremely high. This would look unfair to people, and really, it is.

If you exclude bonuses, then you see a few privileged individuals using 53 HOs and damage procs in their attacks. Dominating frankenslotted toons.

If you make it SO only, it's impossible to enforce them from frankenslotting because there's no way to tell.



So here are my problems with this idea.

If you enforce WP only, I can think of 2-3 combinations that could not be countered.

If you enforce no set bonuses, you have a huge gap between 53 HO users and expensive procs vs those who can't afford it.

If you enforce SO only, there's no way to know if someone is lying or not.


My biggest problem with this competition is that it wouldn't be a competition at all. I'm known for specializing in Melee Fight Club duels and have been for years, but these specific rules here just make my job a million times easier, and while I had to make my build have enough accuracy for SR/EA/Shield, or have enough recovery for end drainers, this means I can go full out regarding a lot of things.

It wouldn't be fair, at all.



Conclusion: I don't want to annouce what would break this competiton so that everyone can make them, but I'm willing to respond to a PM from Aumakua explaining it.

Originally Posted by Masters

Where is it? Lol just looking out to see if any pvp could be found in Virtue.