TwoHeadedBoy

You made an irrelevant comment and I made an inference. Sorry for assuming that your comment had something to do with the current discussion.

I don't want all PB powers changed from KB to KD. I want Solar Flare and Photon Seekers changed from KB to KD. The rest of the knockback is reasonable and manageable. The aforementioned are design flaws. The KB can only be used in panic mode as a form of mitigation, and once you hit level 50 that panic mode doesn't even exist anymore.

The KB in PS and SF is not a mitigation tool, it's a design flaw. This proc gives us the option to correct one or the other, so in essence the devs are giving us a way to invest a slot into correcting a mistake of previous dev teams. While I'm happy for the workaround- Actually, stoked about it- I still wish I didn't have to spend a slot on it. I'd much rather have the *option* to turn it off free of charge. If you'd rather keep it turned on that's cool, and I'd totally still play with you... I just don't like playing MY character under these circumstances.

I don't like fighting with you. I think you're a cool enough person, I just really don't like some of the crap you say and I have no qualms enthusiastically disagreeing with you.

Well I clearly wasn't the only person to read it that way. If that wasn't the case, to what fundamental change were you referring? Was anyone in this thread discussing nerfing the Peacebringer resistance? Or taking all of their damage powers away to make them healerz? Or any other fundamental change? Because I'm pretty sure the only reasonable inference that could've been made after your "fundamental change" comment was in terms of the discussion we were having. If your comment really had nothing at all to do with the current discussion about a -KD proc, why exactly did you make it in this thread?

And yet you imply that this proc will somehow "fundamentally change" the Archetype. If that's not your opinion, why would you state it in this discussion...?

Here bro lemme get you a violin.

Yeah... Because Peacebringers, with HARDCAPPED RESISTANCE to everything but Psi, need the quasi mitigation so badly... And even if we assume that's true, and we discount the fact that Luminous Aura is more survivable than the majority of TANKER PRIMARIES, the location and player based AOE from Solar Flare and Photon Seekers is actually more of a detriment to personal survivability than an added form of mitigation, since knockback that can't be reasonably controlled like the other Peacebringer AOE's with KB can be leads to scattered enemies that aren't bunched up for other AOE's and therefore remain more of a threat. This all leads to MORE INCOMING DAMAGE, so the "nerfing mitigation" argument has no legs to stand on at all.

People are welcome to disagree with me, but when you have an outrageous opinion that this single proc is going to somehow "fundamentally change" an entire archetype, you sort of deserve to be insulted.

Assuming that all the PB Knockback is awesome, knocking things around still wouldn't be the fundamental purpose of the AT. It's just a silly, head-in-*** viewpoint.

Why do you think that -KB in PBAOE powers.... Just think about that for a second. Melee powers. that do AOE Knockback. How can anyone NOT see the fault in that? Anyways.. Even if you miraculously find a reason to not think that it's retarded, how is removing that "fundamentally" changing the AT as a whole...? How is removing KB from AOE powers going to make the Peacebringer into something completely different...? Unless by "fundamental change" you're trying to say "Crappy design to logical design." I guess logical is much different than crappy, yeah.

And I'll keep 1 starring people who knock stuff out of melee range when I'm tryin'a Scrapperlock stuff. It goes both ways.

The point of my post is that I agree with you that we shouldn't need this proc for -KB, but at the same time... I also feel like. -KB. Woot.

Also I haven't been on beta so I'm not sure if the -KB carries over to powers that summon pets like Seekers. If the unique issue didn't exist, this would be the next problem to solve. This proc built into SF and PS with the option to toggle it off via the little pidgeon in Pocket D would be ideal. I agree that we shouldn't have to waste enhancement slots to fix gimpy powers, but I'll take what I can get.

Good thing DA has great Psi resistance.

I built 32.5% m/r/a on my Claws/DA Brute. I've been building most of my characters this way lately, I highly recommend the approach. Someone already mentioned that sets like Kat and TW with a +def to melee power make it possible to hit 45% to all positions without gimping anything or going without good global recharge.

There is. Have 3-5 people with Incan and rotate through calling out league TP's, back away from everyone a good amount when it's your turn to call and keep your eye on the timers. We used this strategy in a PUG about a month and a half ago and it worked great, got it on the second run.

I was only talking about more capable for high end play, soloing AV's has something to do with that whereas exemping is the exact opposite of high end play. I think that human only is more capable for high end play, not more capable for play period.

Yeah the damage buffs from Dwarf Mire and Nova are nice and the consistency of instant shifts will make tri form even better for AOE, but the gap isn't wide enough that it's worth what you lose- Defense and yeah, control. You can't use Inky Aspect on a tri form build reliably.
I don't need break frees, I use clarion. I stand by tri form for exemping too, but I play my characters to level 50 for a reason, not to go backwards. I personally never exemp but if I did I'd make a tri form build for it. A medium purple inspiration isn't really going to cover you enough especially against carnies. The best I've been able to do on tri form builds is 32.5% defense to s/l in all forms which is really more than enough survivability for general play, it's even how I built my Peacebringer.. But when I talk about high end play I mean soloing stuff that shouldn't really even be able to be soloed like tough enemies on max settings and high level AV's.

Also tri form will only do more AOE damage, human form does the best single target. There's probably even a good argument for Inky Aspect+Provoke being better tools for keeping fluffies alive and getting extra AOE through them, but that'd be way too hard of a claim to prove so I won't make it.
Not really. Human is capable of doing very respectable AOE. You've been PLed by my human Warshade so I know you can vouch for this. I think I remember your reaction to the first mob I killed the first time I ever PLed you was something along the lines of, "Woah. Wtf did you just do?" The gap between what human only can do and tri form can't do as well is much wider.

Unless Dwarf somehow gets to keep human form's defense though, human only will still be the best option for surviving and tanking.. Plus the obvious controlling.

I see your slightly more AOE and raise you Dark Detonation with a -KD proc- That's really going to close the gap right back up.

Also: Much more consistent crowd control and substantial overall defense lead to much higher survivability. You can't kill stuff if you're dead, human only has much more self sufficiency. 54x8 Malta and Carnies are going to kill you much faster than you can stygian return.

Nova actually does noticeably more AOE than human considering how gimpy SF and PS currently are. With the new -KB proc the AOE from Solar Flare could very well make human the best option for AOE. As it is now, the main thing I use Dwarf for on my PB is the AOE KD so there's a good chance I'll be working it out of my build soon. Nova will probably be staying for the time being but there's also a chance I'll be back to playing a human only PB in the future.