TwoHeadedBoy

If racing to the level cap was the best way to gauge performance, /FA anything would be the most powerful set in the game.

Peacebringers? Stalkers?

personally I have been using Dechs' 3 slotting for Human Mire (Oblit: acc/rech, scirocco: acc/rech, rech IO) and Armageddon in Dwarf Mire.

I have been using Dwarf as my AV form, I also use Kinetic Combats in Dwarf strike, smite, and drain with Miracle heal and heal/End in Dwarf Drain, and one Nucleo on the end of smite and strike. I have been seriously considering dropping a Fury of the Gladiator res debuff on the end of Dwarf Mire... How much do you think that would help DPS? I don't think I can find a way to get the slots for a human attack chain without gimping something else (I use my human form exclusively for buffs and controls)

Edit: I just remembered my last respec moved hecatomb to Dwarf Smite out of G Well and replaced g well with 4 kinetic combats and a lockdown proc.

What would this attack chain be, and what would the minimum amount of slots be per power? Also, I'm assuming it uses Orbiting Death, so no Gravimetric Snare? I just recently devoted some slots (two endoplasm's and a Gravitational Anchor: Immobilize) for locking down AV's.

Also, I find that I like to use my Dwarf Mire even against single targets for the to-hit/damage bonus. How would you manage to do that if you run toggles?

Demonic Aura+Liberal use of Dwarf for me.

Yeah... Toggle suppression would be nice, but until that happens there's no reason to run toggles on a tri form Kheldian.

Haha, I actually have fun playing Luminarious human-only as an energy/energy blapper with good resists and a small bag full of extra goodies. I can enjoy both routes, I was just explaining why Tri Form ended up taking the cake for me.

See my OP. I've switched between Human and Tri Form through the leveling process with more time spent on Tri Form. My main is a tri form Warshade.

"Fun" is a bad word around these parts. It has been established that it is subjective and therefore irrelevant.

Yes, the changes on Beta. A lot of people seem to be under the impression that Human Only will still have a clear advantage after perma light form (which carries over to forms) and Inner Light (which has a much longer duration than buildup)

Here is why I have decided to go Tri Form:

1.) Exemping. The WST's and Flashback systems are a very big part of the game, and I find that Kheldians with all of their forms are some of if not the most effective things to play when you exemp as far down as level 15 (still so even higher.)

2.) I use Human Form attacks for mostly the single target melee's to take out bosses. The Knockback in Solar Flare becomes a non-issue when you shift to Nova and take out everything but the bosses you just knocked back in two shots. Light Form will give Nova much more safety in the form of resistance and mez protection.

3.) White Dwarf is, in my opinion, a much better tank than Human Form. Sometimes the going gets rough, and paired with the +HP and resists that come with Dwarf (and the mitigation in Dwarf Flare) stacking with Light Form, Dwarf will *in my opinion* add much more versatility to my playstyle.

4.) Buildup benefited Human Form the most. Inner Light, while perhaps still favoring human attacks, will help out Nova substantially also. There are situations where you want to use AoE's, and situations where you want to stay at range. Nova is your best option for both (once again, LF in Nova will make it more survivable to boot.)


I'm not saying that the decision I am making the the best one to make, I'm just explaining my reevaluation in light of recent events.

leave my Warshade alone.

heh, hadn't thought of that- Good point. But does Essence Boost cap Human Form's HP on its' own?
My Peacebringer currently uses a Tri Form SO build. I tend to play him similar to my Warshade in a lot of ways- I advocate the "all forms, all times" philosophy on both of my Kheldians. I know a lot of people are screaming for Solar Flare's KB to be changed to KD and that would probably make the power more effective, but something to consider is that as you execute SF you *can* que up Nova and take out everything you knocked back in two shots. Sure beats Proton Scatter. If there's a boss that survived, that's when I run up and melee him.

The forms do have good synergy with each other if used appropriately- There's no reason you should have to choose between AOE and Single Target damage... Personally, I think Light Form carrying over to Nova will be a great help. I originally planned to respec into a Human Only build once I picked up Clarion, but with LF carrying over to forms and being perma-able (heh) I have decided I will stick with Tri Form. Something else to consider is that Exemping is a pretty big part of the game with the WST's and the Flashback system- I find my Kheldians are more effective than the majority of characters when exemped if they have forms.
I definitely agree with you that there is a problem overall with the amount of damage Peacebringers are dishing out, but is there any other AT typed as ranged damage (this according to the new character creation menu in Freedom) that can reach the levels of survivability Peacebringers can without needing to rely on special circumstances (apart from the proper IO build?)
I know it can be frustrating that the gap is so large in terms of what the two AT's are capable of, but it's like the disparity between powersets in other AT's in a way. /FA Scrappers will pump out more damage than most, but they won't be as safe as most. Peacebringers will have much more dependable survivability after these changes take effect.

Don't get the wrong idea here, I still think that Peacebringers need work... But at the same time I am glad that the Dev's have taken the time to give us what they have when there is obviously so much going on as of late. I see it as a welcome step in the right direction. We have every indication that they have been paying attention to the Kheldian community's concerns we have addressed in our forum and I think the fact that any buffs are happening at all in i21 was a big surprise to most of us. They never said ahead of time that these changes were coming, so we have no indication that more changes won't follow.

I was responding to a post that said the buffs made to Peacebringers were only buffs to human form. I never said that playing Human only wouldn't be more beneficial- Just that the buffs weren't exclusive to one form.

Essence Boost isn't always up. I still think Dwarf adds a good amount of versatility if you decide you want to use it.

I was under the impression that Human form had better single target damage and nova form had better aoe damage. You obviously know much more about this than I do, but the only point I was trying to make is that both Nova and Dwarf form will see the benefits of the Peacebringer buffs.

They're still functioning differently- These powers are not situational like Eclipse and Mire. They will be just as effective against one single hard target which can't be said for the Warshade powers.

Light Form carrying over to Dwarf will increase its' survivability- Same can be said for Nova. Inner Light's longer duration will make it far more beneficial to forms than buildup was. No one is asking for PB's to be Warshade clones. They are meant to function differently, the reason that Warshades are brought up so often in discussions about PB improvement is because there is a huge performance gap. Many people have provided suggestions here to help bridge that gap, none of which (at least the good ones) involve making Peacebringers anything close to Warshade clones.

They've obviously had their hands full with developing many things at once as of late... Personally I think these changes are a big deal, not that they are the final say on the matter but as a sign that they did not forget about us and will dedicate more time to the remaining issues when they are able to.

I am a big fan of "fixing the broken stuff" before "making new stuff," but in the case of Freedom a lot of this "new stuff" is going to (hopefully) result in the Developers having more resources to continue to improve upon things while pumping out more new content.