Thrudd_Amok

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I'm 31, an attorney, a parent and I have ten HOs, mostly earned at Justice's 9 pm public raid.

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And apparently missed my point, which is that restricting the ranking lists to fights with HOs enabled will give a huge advantage to those people that have the free time to farm Hamidon again and again.

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That's cool so long as you can't earn any rankings or badges in such matches. If you want the reward fight your real opponent, not an artificially debuffed one.


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Why not just put an age restriction on being ranked? Anyone beyond college age, those who can be reasonably expected to have a job, are inelligible from being ranked in PvP. Of course, you could file for an exemption, say being independently wealthy or unemployable, but this rule would accomplish your goals.

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I play a Regen Scrapper and I am VERY susceptible to being one or two shotted by naughty Blasters fully slotted with HOs.

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You forgot to mention that blasters will be *very* susceptible to being one shot by your HO'd Headsplitter. I am sure that everyone is crying about the lack of viability of regen scrappers in PvP.

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Even if they change the way HO's work in PvP, I think everyone is going to have to accept that the people that legitimately earned those HO's, I'm talking about the people who did the planning for the raids, will probably hold most of the upper echelon of PvP'ers. I'm not saying that they would completely dominate it, but they would very likely own at least half of the top ten even without the HO's.

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I doubt there will be any correllation between leading a raid and succeeding in PvP beyond the contribution of the HOs, and the fact that the raid leaders may be PvPing in strong SG groups. There are tons of very good players out there that have not lead Hamidon raids, or even gone on them.

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at best they will improve an existing enh by 15% thats enough for flavor but thats it.

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O_O


sir, with respect - please check your facts!

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I was just looking at individual Dam and not taking into accout the 12 slotting issue. But even including that and all the numbers I've seen, I dont think it warrants this much panic. However, I have fully sloted (almost) and non slotted toons on test, and my opinion of this whole situation may change depending on how bad/good the results are.

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Regular SOs contribute 33% to a single aspect of your power. HOs contribute 50% to two aspects of your power, or 30% to three aspects. Where you come up with 15%, I have no idea. Adding 50% to damage and 50% to range versus adding 33% to damage is not a 15% improvement. 6 slotted, the power will have a 300% improvement to damage and range, versus a 200% improvement to damage and no improvement to range on a SO'd hero.

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My Girl Friend would be soooo pissed if all those missed dinners, and falling asleep without me didn't at least amount to something.

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I'm sure she'll be so proud that you can whack level 50s like they are grey cons.

The risk of farming Hamidon is in blowing all your free time on an incredibly boring activity.

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Many love the unique challange of raiding with large groups. So, if you choose not to particpate why force others to play as you do? Thats not 'fair' then is it?

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I am not trying to force them to play in any way. I am trying to leave an option that would allow me to test my skills against theirs, without the fact that they raided Hamidon umpteen million times making a fair contest impossible.

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I’m sorry but ‘fair’ doesn’t exist. It doesn’t exist in real life and it doesn’t exist in this game.

To be ‘fair’ you’d have to only PvP against someone with the exact same build, same connection speed, same game knowledge, same experiences, same computer speed, etc. Not going to happen is it? Just looking at builds alone I’d like you to find 2 EXACTLY the same, you’d be hard pressed and I doubt you could. Even min/max builds have player preference differences.

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Just because there are differences among ATs and builds doesn't mean that putting in a mechanism to increase the effectiveness of characters by 100% or 200% is a good idea. No given fight will be entirely balanced or "fair", but they will be mostly close with known counters.

The differences between a largely HO'd character and a non-HO'd character will have no counter.

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From reading all these threads it seems to me that the players that don’t have HO’s have expressed their self perceived inadequacy into some type of ‘lack of fun’ versus those players that do. Instead of doing something in-game about this they have decided to reach out to the dev’s and cry 'nerf' for a false notion of fairness. “They earned it, it’s not fair that I won’t/can’t, take it way from them!”

So being ‘fair’ isn’t about HO’s, it’s about making other players, that can put the time and effort into their build, as miserable as them. No thanks.

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The difference between HO'd and non-HO'd characters is that the HO'd characters chose to spend large amounts of time watching a slide show, occasionally pressing a key, in hopes of gaining an enhancement that would allow them to "gank" the "suckers" who choose not to spend their time in such a meaningless, boring manner. Now HO'd characters are angry about the suggestion that an option be created to allow heros to fight on an even playing field.

Raiding Hamidon repeatedly has nothing to do with skill. It has a lot to do with having gobs of free time that one doesn't mind spending watching a slide show, while every so often (due to lag) pressing a key.

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Just some of the posts I have read about how Defenders feel left out. Thats it

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Buffing and debuffing defenders are complaining that, because of HOs, they can't even contribute in a group PvP setting. You know, where support classes might expect to contribute?

The next step will be when the super elite players ask for extra special abilities to be given to players based on their PvP success.

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Well once again, solution:
Don't play arena levels 45-50
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Make sure you don't fight anyone with hami-Os

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And, don't get City of Villains.

These are not the only solutions. Another solution, one that all the HO hoes aren't mentioning, is to get Cryptic to fix the problem. HOs are overpowered. They break the game's paradigm of not being loot based (as do Accolades, to a much lesser extent). Fix the problem, Cryptic! Allow us to remove HOs from PvP.

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Why, oh why, has Cryptic forced us to participate in lag-ridden slideshows of a huge jello mold in order to compete in the new feature of their game?

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On a related note: Why oh why are people who invest minimum amounts of time in the game (or just suck at it)worried about competing in the arena against those who play for 8+ hours a day and are good at what they do?

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I play about 5 hours a day, 5 days a week. So, I should forget PvP? It's only for students blowing off their classes, the independently wealthy and the unemployed?

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Putting a limit on Hami-Os in the arena is somewhat akin to communism. Oh look at the lazy and unfortunate. They should have the same as everyone else... No thanks, I prefer capitalism. You have the same opportunity as everyone else. Take advantage of it... or don't. Your choice.

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You prefer steroids. You are deadset against competing with the natural talents of your archtype, prefering a competition where you can pay for your wins in advance rather than earning them on the battlefield.

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If you are level 45+ and complaining about not having any Hami-Os, go get some. Now, I only play on Justice, so have no frame of reference for other servers, but all you have to do there is keep tabs on the Hamidon global channel and show up. If you want to participate, follow directions; if you want to be a lazy mooching bum, just sit there and watch. You'll get a Hami-O either way.

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This is exactly my complaint. We are being forced to spend countless hours participating in a lag infested slideshow. That is not skill, it's simply burning your free time in order to purchase future PvP wins.

Why, oh why, has Cryptic forced us to participate in lag-ridden slideshows of a huge jello mold in order to compete in the new feature of their game?

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I usually think the devs do an excellent job, even when they nerfed regen (which my main is) since it really did unbalance things.

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Since Regen scrappers are the only ones tanking Hamidon, I can see why the "nerf" wouldn't upset them too much.


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HOs can not cap +def as far as one can tell there is no defense cap.
HOWEVER there seems to be no accuracy cap either and HOs do boost accuracy so in a completely reverse fashion HOs may kill the viability of +def.

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There is certainly a practical cap to +Def. In PvP, it's 95%, plus whatever debuffs can be applied to a hero. In PvE, it's 95%, plus whatever level factors can be applied (+5/+6 villains).

The problem is that HOs buff accuracy by 50%, and defense by much less.

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For one these items dont get duped, noone has gotten them unfairly

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Putting out additional pets to get extra HOs sure sounds like an exploit to me.

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and trust me, there is nothing common or unheroic about taking down the hamidon.

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Yeah, beating on a held foe that cannot retaliate and then squabbling over his remains is the heart of every good hero story.

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Funny, ain't that what Controllers do?...

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Yes, it is. I am just trying to refute the claims that it is only through magnificent effort, skill and valour that the HOs are earned. It's just farming. A lot of farming.

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and trust me, there is nothing common or unheroic about taking down the hamidon.

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Yeah, beating on a held foe that cannot retaliate and then squabbling over his remains is the heart of every good hero story.

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Yes, of course they all have access to the HO's. Do they exercise that access? That's the sticking point. Some do and some don't. Those that run the risk of the raids do reap the reward.

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What risk? It's a freaking video game. The real issue is that Cryptic wants us to spend countless hours in a "keeping up with the Joneses" farming exercise.

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just o let people know, i was hitting caps on all attacks with aim and build up already, so hami enahncers just save me some slots, that's all

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Yeah, but did you have high bonuses to accuracy on your attacks at the same time?


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HOs, or their moral equivalent, should IMHO be available to people who are willing and able to do equivalently hard things, to put in the same kind of time and effort and risk and debt (though the debt is less of an issue for the 50s, the 'risk' of failure is still large)

Maybe an 8 man TF, with no 'easy out' scenario, one which is mind-crushingly, soul-numbingly difficult.

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But, that can be accomplished in 30 minutes, like a well planned Hamidon raid.

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What blows me away about all this battlecry on the boards "unfair". As far as we know, duping is not happening in this game. Not like billions of credits being duped in SWG. Nothing like duped items in diablo 2. And nothing like the uber hex's from diablo 2. All the uber loot in this game is very straight forward.

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Summoning pets to get more HOs sure sounds like duping to me.

If I had wanted to play a game where I could farm my way to PvP success, I would have never left Dark Age of Camelot.

Just the fact that you came to this forum for advice is probably a bad sign. It's like going down to the local bar, and asking your drinking buddies if you should listen to your family about your drinking problem.

PLing allows you to put together builds that nobody in their right mind could have leveled using the normal route.