Thentix
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Sweet. Thank you for the help guys.
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Crap sorry I should have said 3 combos in the title. I'm sorry. :/ I can post builds if you guy's want.
Ok so after 2 months of being back and 95% of that spent making builds -.-. As you know I asked about brute or tanker before and settling for brute thanks to the forums, im now finally able to narrow it down to 3 builds. I was hoping to get some advice on which to go.
I would liek to be decent at st/aoe/farming but lean more towards aoe and mass carnage but, be able to survive decently well and get some badges and what not. Not THE best at anything. Not looking to do +4/x8, maybe like +0-1/x4-6 I like all 3 and enjoy them all. It's between:
fire/fire/pyre
electric/electric/mu
fire/electric/soul
What do you think is the choice I should go for? Thank's for any help you may give me. I REALLY appreciate it.
edit: This will be my first brute past 12. So I wanna take this char to 50 obviously. -
Not as many responses as the brute thread but so far, necro/dark and bots/traps, demon/thermal and thugs/pain are obvious winners. Thanks guys.
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I asked this awhile back in the brute forum and got a lot of responses and since the MM is my favorite archetype even though I gotten any past 32 (lol), I wanted to ask here also now that im back to play again.
My question is what do you think is the best combos of primary and secondary if your only gonna play each once? Im having a hard time deciding and I dont wanna play each secondary more than once or primary.So far the only one im set on is demon/thermal.
Im also having a hard time picking a secondary for ninjas which is my favorite primary cause im a huge martial arts/ninja/sword type stuff buff. I'm looking for whats the best pairing for the other 5 sets. Thank you for all your ideas.
Edit:Oh I should say best for overall utility and aoe/st/whatever else. I like to be able to do it all but not be the absolute best at it. -
Yes I spend most of my time soloing. Unless anyone from victory villainside wants to invite me to a decently active sg. I hardly see anyone else on that server. Then agains I don't have any chars past 31.
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I understand that but I have to level somehow
. I can't just make a lvl 50 farming char. Man I wish. (sorry if it sounds like im being a ********, Im really not. honestly. so don't kill me lol) So he needs to be able to atleast lvl "decently" then at 50 ill turn him into a farmer. So it will be of course 2 different builds.
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Will a /fire brute being able to level up with missions to 50 pretty well? Say paper misions and some story arcs or whatever? In mids it seems extremely squishy. I'm sure it will help with those dam flamethrowing longbows. But other then them I don't see a lot of other fire mobs. Atleast from 1-30 so far on my MM. Crapload of energy and smashing/lethal ones though. Although im not sure how to find out what mobs are weak against what. I have that chres file thingy but its not working with my excel.
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Thank you very much for that post Donna_. I will look into a fire/kin/earth controller as well then.
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Well the reason I was asking about tankers is cause I don't have any cash on my chars. So I figured as a first time farmer, a resist base set like electric armor would be a great first time farmer. Even more so on a tanker cause hes better defensively while not being THAT far behind in damage. Since I have no money I need a farmer from start to finish without needing billions of money to make them good.
I know I saw a thread about first time farmer maybe a year or a few months ago but I can't find it. I never get good results when I use search. I guess im having a hard time deciding cause I still wanna play the game arcs and such but also be able to farm, so when I hear, "this build is only good for 1 or 2 missions", I fear ill have a hard time leveling up cause I can only play certain missions. And ive also heard lethal and smashing sets lag behind because of resistances. Am I asking to do too much? I play on victory villainside and theres not many people to ask for help or play with from what I can see. -
Quote:Oh awesome thank you. I will think about that then.Originally Posted by imvicious2u
OP, if all you want is a farm toon to get purps and influence, make a SS/Fire brute, and when you get to 45 or so look up Harvey Maylor in Peregrine Isle. His story arc has a defeat all mish which is nothing but Praetorian demons, the infamous "Demon Farm". All fire dmg, no mezz, no KB etc.
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Harvey_Maylor
Once you have that mish, just farm it all you like. I do it on +4x8 for kicks, but +2x8 is fine, purple drops to sell or use, and I get around 10 million per run solo doing it, a run lasting what? 15 minutes maybe (I don't hurry).
I also farmed Infernal's mish for a bit until I got Harvey's demon farm.
It isn't interesting, or much fun, except when you see the purple drops, that's always cool.
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Quote:Yes it made sense.Originally Posted by Biospark
I try to not steer folks toward one AT or another. I think a Tanker will take a smaller investment in influence to get started, but a Scrapper or Brute can farm much faster, but will require a decent sized investment in survivability to do it.
My Brute experience is very limited as well as my Electric Armor usage, so I cannot address your specific question, but I can mention some specifics of Fire Melee that are relevent.
Tankers get the following AoEs available by level 50 if you go Pyre Mastery:
Level 4: Combustion
Level 16: Breath of Fire
Level 28: Fire Sword Circle
Level 47: Fireball
Scrappers and Brutes do not get Combustion, so that is one less AoE to choose from
Brutes base damage only exceeds Tankers while under some amount of fury, which is not very hard to achieve.
Scrappers Fire Melee is the highest and they get FSC at level 18, Breath at level 8
Personally, I do not like Breath of Fire, so my Tanker used Buildup+FSC+Fireball+Combustion. Then mopped up whatever was left.
The cooldowns for these AoEs are all the same on each of the ATs.
All three ATs have to wait till level 47 for Fireball.
It really comes down to how fast do you want to go thru spawns. A scrapper will be the fastest, but be the lowest in survivability. The Tanker will be the slowest, but have the highest survivability. And the Brute should come in somewhere in between.
My question (which I dont have an answer for) is whether Lightning Field would be a good substitute for Combustion. The cast time on Combustion is horrible, but its easier to use than Breath of Fire, so thats why I chose it. IF Lightning Field would be equivalent or even just slightly less DPS, then the amount of time spent using other attacks during combustion's cast time would make up the difference.
Sorry for the long post. Did that make sense ?
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Ok I get it lol. I guess im overestimating survivability for farming. Brute it is then. Thank's a lot for helping a sorta newbie out guy's.
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Quote:So do you think that a tanker with electric armor/fire melee will do well enough that I can choose tanker instead of brute and not be so far behind in damage?Originally Posted by Biospark
The best Farmer I have ever played on SOs and cheap IO sets is a Tanker. The survivability and HPs makes that much of a difference (WP/Fire/Pyre).
From my experiences with guildmates, once you fully IO out a Scrapper (Brute too I assume) they are just sick on blowing through missions.
The thing you have to look at is the combination of powersets. Its not just about ATs when it comes to farming. Alot more comes down to creating great AoE damage combined with good survivability and sufficient recharge to move to the next spawn and have all your powers ready to start a new cycle. -
Oh I wasn't complaining about high prices or anything. Just ive played almost every mmo under the sun, and in the ones I actually used the AH's on, making money meant buying low and raising the price ridiculously high and selling it back on the AH. I don't like that sort of thing myself. Im not even gonna sell anything in game to be honest. Just buy what I can't farm myself really. I tend to stay away from AH's as much as I can.
And thank you. I don't wanna argue either. I hate it myself. :/ I was just asking for some help, sorry that I hit a bad chorde.
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Thank's for the replies so far guys. I guess brute would be better then. No sense in overdoing survivability and less damage with a tanker if brute will survive just fine.
Quote:Thank you for the answer but I rather gain it by killing mobs. Most of the time using the AH/market or whatever means I have to rip people off and raise prices and im against stuff like that. Plus it will help me level my gf's alts also.Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
If it is just for loot, head down to the market section. I am not against farming, but the market is way better to gain infl. -
Well after reading countless threads since ive been back for a week after a year, I have a question that really hasnt been answered from what ive been able to search thru.
Is tanker damage really that bad compared to a brute? I'm trying to make a farming char to make money for me and my gf's chars. Either tanker or brute. I've got it down to either fire melee/electric armor/pyre or fire melee/dark armor/pyre.
I guess my real question is will the tanker survivability more than make up for the less damage? In mid's the tankers resistances look so awesome compared to the brute. I don't mind a little less damage if my survivability is way better. I find myself not even playing and just making build after build in mids cause im not sure which archtype to pick -.-. I do more researching and build making then actually playing. This will be solo only. I don't like tanking in any game :/.
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Ah ok I see, thank you. These search functions never bring up aything for me -.-
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I just wanted to ask real quick other brutes cause I can't find it anywhere in the forums. When I made a SS/shield brute to see if id like it I chose the Bright Heroic animations and they work fine until I turn on my shield defense toggles then my animations revert back to regular SS animations. Is this supposed to happen? I chose heroic for a reason :/
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Awesome, great ideas. I'm gonna start making my list right now. So far I have a DM/Shield, SS/Inv and claws/SR. I really like the idea of a DB/Elec and wanted to play one now but, when i put the build in mids it was so tight that i didnt like it at all. Way too many have to take powers that were being pushed farther back.
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Those are some great ideas! Although Bill Z I thought about doing theme, but for fire/fire and stone/stone, they don't have a matching epic pool
. But I guess I can always customize the powers to look like one of the pools. Thanks a lot guys. I'm gonna be busy :P
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This may sound stupid but I thought I'd post it anyways in a way to be more active on the forums. I mainly solo since victory villain side is so vacant. But my question is if you could only play each primary and secondary powerset once, how would you pair them? not for soloing av's or anything but, just for general soloing like up to eb's and stuff and maybe a little bit of farming. I wanna play each set only once so I came here to get some ideas on how you guy's would do it. Mainly cause I find that even in other mmo's when i play something more than once I get kinda bored of it. So that's why I'm asking for no repeats. Thanks for the help
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Ah ok thanks a lot. Ill stick with the fire/shield/soul and just put no av setting on. sorry for the questions. im still prety new. Ive been searching and searching but all i find are builds and expensive builds but nothing about a great first time farmer. I found a thread also about resistance versus defense, do you think that a resistance set would be a better option for someone without set ios ad just using regular ios? cause I was thinking of maybe fire/elec or dark/elec or any combo or elemental resistance sets.
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Ah thank you. I'm reluctant to go SS because of the rage crash and all smashing damage. And I read so far that you can't really solo av's because of the all smashing. I might be wrong but that's just what I have read. I guess I'm asking too much to want to solo av's and aoe farm as a first time brute but I thought id try anyways.
I was gonna go fire/shield/soul brute and for blue side shield/dark/pyre tanker since dm's damage with make up for the tankers low damage I hope. Or might make him a scrapper. not sure yet. I was just wondering if elec/shield/soul was able to farm mass mobs and still pull off av kills with the single target attacks and gloom but, fire/shield/soul seems the best way to go. -
Well im not sure how it works here but someone can close the thread. I figured it out on my own. Gonna go with fire/shield/soul and know till i get billions of money i wont be as good but still decent for farming mobs and single targets. if anyone wants to add anything or tell me a different first time farmer build then PM me. Thanks guys.
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Ok so ive been researching for the last 3 days about brutes and farming. It's been a great while since i last played. I have found lots of information on a bunch of builds but I only have a 31MM on villain side so I don't have any money whatsoever. But I really wanna play a shield defense char. I want either FM/SD or Elec/SD. I understand its gonna suck till I get money to io them out but im not too worried about that. I'm more worried about being good then looking good.
The question I wanna ask though is will electric have enough single target damage with gloom patron power to take on av's/eb's? Im not gonna farm them solely. Just if I run into av's or eb's during story arcs or whatnot will I be able to atleast kill them with elec? I was thinking more than with fire melee I could solo av's/eb's and still have 3 aoe attacks to take out mobs also for farming.
Thank you for the replies. I'm sorry if this info was somewhere else cause I didn't find it :/. If you think I should really go with another build for first time farmer that has no money and still farm mobs for cash,then please let me know. (Anything but SS or stone melee and stone armor)