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Quote:NOOOO!Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Well, if you don't want to deal with 2 monitors, 2 keyboards, and 2 mice you could get yourself a small KVM (Keyboard, Video, Mouse) switch.
Then you simply have a keyboard macro/hotkey combo that's used to switch back and forth between the old computer and the new.
Or you could set up Remote Desktop for your old computer and access it that way.
That would be an easier interface! He can't do that!
It would be sacrilege to the religion of the multi-tasker with 2 of everything!
/sarcasm
Every knew technology replaces something else.
You're advocating replacing the necessity for 2 keyboards and 2 mice and 2 monitors while arguing against the eliminating of the necessity of a single keyboard and mouse.
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Quote:No, it's not "forgiving"; it is "exacting".Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
The current interface is incredibly forgiving and pretty much allows you exacting control within the limits of your familiarity.
You have to do things a specific way which is not just a simple button that "does it for you", and any mistake earns you an error box that may not even know what you were trying to do.
You have to decipher an "alien language" just to figure out how to get the computer to tell you what you need to do to not get an error.
It's not simpler to anyone but those who already know how to do what they want. It doesn't teach people. Trial and error teaches people the old systems. Trial and error is a much slower teacher than having a step by step guide with "why this is so" information handy as well.
Oh boy.Quote:Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Yes. I took the time to learn how to use it.
I fail to see why others can't learn to do the same.
You just used the "I had to walk 5 miles, uphill, in the snow, barefoot, both ways" old man "so you should have to do so also" argument.
Sure, we should all have to live in caves, hunt our own food, relearn how to grow food, make our own clothes and generally waste the time we have been given by our ancestors' effort in progressing on pursuits that they have made much easier and virtually eliminated the "unnecessary difficulty" of.
/sarcasm
I should just avoid this topic now. You're using the old "stuck in rut" position of "I drove through the muddy road so everyone should" to prevent a paved road from going in or an advance in the car so that it doesn't get stuck and everybody can avoid the "problem" that you had.
That's what you're arguing for, problems. You want everybody to "have to do it the hard way" even though you know there is "an easier way".
By the way, it doesn't mean you become less intelligent if you do things "the easier way". In fact, the easier way tends to be much more complex and people still need to know how to fix it. They will also then design "even easier ways".
Don't think of it as "forgetting the old way" when it really is "learning new ways".
People get more intelligent by making "necessities" into "trivialities" so that they can move on to other "necessities" or "desires".
We're never going to have faster than light travel with a mouse an keyboard, for one. The interface would be too slow for a society that is moving that fast.
Hell, most of my typos, which I make a LOT, are because my brain is way ahead of my fingers and thus sometimes sends the command to "push that finger down" out of order. If I was dealing with voice commands or a brain interface then I would end up with the same result through the same process, just avoiding moving my fingers out of order, thus avoiding mistakes.
I'm pretty sure you can do the same things on Windows 8 that you can do on any previous Windows OS, so long as they are necessary and weren't just "mistakes" that we thought were necessary. You just have to learn to use a new interface to accomplish the same results.
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I'll use this quote form you, Hyperstrike, as an example....
1) I've lived just fine without Office 2010 or with competing software.Quote:Try to describe turning on versioning in Office 2010.
2) Is that specific program necessary for life or even for what it does? No, as competing programs can do the same or better. Hell, that program itself gets updated to where new functions are added and old ones are made obsolete.
3) What is "versioning"? Is it really necessary or is it something that could be done with a single button instead of making every user go through a few different windows and menus to perform that function which is only necessary because the program doesn't do the job any better way?
I remember when the only way to do anything on a computer was the DOS prompt.
I remember when the only way to share information was by paper or floppy disk.
I remember when the internet made sharing information, and thus getting smarter, a lot easier than having to actually travel and learn first-hand.
Sure, those things did the job when they were "the better way", but everything gives way to "a better way".
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Quote:What do you mean?Originally Posted by Ironblade
The problem with this 'simplified' interface is that, if you DO have the additional capability granted by a full keyboard and mouse, the interface is gimped in comparison with what we have now. They're sacrificing one format to deliberately promote another.
Do you not like an onscreen keyboard that can be configured any way you want rather than a physical keyboard that is made one way and you just have to deal with it as well as clean it?
Do you really need a mouse, that you have to move around on a desk to make some pointer move across a screen, when you could just "point" your finger right on what you want with no extra steps and a lot faster?
The mouse and keyboard are not "the best interface possible".
1) The keyboard was made for typing, nothing else, and for typing a specific way.
You have to buy a new one if you want a different configuration, or put up with a modular one that has problems with staying together or dirt and crud. If you don't speak English then you need a keyboard made for a different language.
2) The mouse was just an intermediary for pointing in the first place.
People could not actually touch the screen to "click" on anything in the past. so, we have had to put up with mice that always need cleaning, wear out after so much use and need a surface to lay on usually.
Now, we can have variable virtual keyboards on the screen for any time we need to enter text, different configurations of buttons for applications other than text and the ability to just touch whatever we want to "click" rather than "tabbing and typing" if we don't have a mouse or moving a little device that is separate from the screen and computer.
And, none of that even takes into account the power of voice recognition and commands. The better those get, the less we have to type while still knowing how to read and write.
Honestly, it's about time the mouse and keyboard disappeared in favor of more customizable and compact input methods.
If you really think a keyboard is necessary in some situations then you're probably talking about situations where a typewriter would perform the job more reliably because it requires no power.
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In fact, imagine an FPS game with touch interface and a little analog stick and throttle for your other hand. You could control your character with your one had ont he stick and the throttle controlling movement and turning speed while your other hand just taps the screen to fire at a target at that part of the screen.
That would definitely ruin the dominance of the mouse and keyboard in those games.
Seriously, the mouse and keyboard is a carpal-tunnel inducing unergonomic relic of the past. IT HAS NOT CHANGED MUCH, if at all, in the past 3 decades.
It is long past time we had voice and touch interfaces with some other more ergonomic interfaces for specialized uses as well.
Essentially, the keyboard and mouse are like trying to use a screwdriver and hammer to build everything in the world. It may be able to get the job done, but it's much easier, faster and better with a welder, wrench, saw, glue, plastic molder and all the other tools we have invented beyond the "basic general tools". -
Quote:You completely misunderstood me.Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Which can be taken to absurd lengths.
If you want a simple interface, howsabout we give you a nice, easy DOS PROMPT. We can shortcut to "Browser" and have everything else run off a web platform somewhere "out on the cloud".
Yeah. NO.
I said "simpler interface" not "least interface thus simpler".
Yes, a DOS prompt is simpler, but it is simple because it does the least possible.
I was talking about an interface that does a lot but has all that quickly at your fingertips, rather than digging through menu after menu after menu after menu after pressing a single "Start" button.
(Edit: The DOS prompt also isn't actually "simpler" because you have to type in a bunch of symbols, which look like gibberish to anybody not experienced in using that specific interface, in a long sequence in exactly the right order to do anything. Now we can click an icon to do the same thing because of a much "simpler interface" called "the mouse". The keyboard and mouse are just not the "simplest" interface and thus they are beign replaced by touch and a virtual keyboard that is infinitely configurable.)
There is a reason people put a lot of shortcuts on their desktop in Windows. The menus suck.
The fact that Windows 8 does away with menus being default, focusing on a bunch of pictures/icons that are more descriptive by far than "Start", is a very good thing.
You may hate it if you wish, but you can't say it is "bad" because of it. It's just "different".
FYI, you know what is also really simple but opens up a universe of possibility?
e=mc^2
That's a very simple equation that stands for a lot of very complex math.
Is it better to keep dealing with the math behind it or use the already proven "shortcut" of the "simple" equation?
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Quote:True.Originally Posted by Ironblade
Let's not forget that something being simpler can be completely independent of being 'good' or 'bad'.
I suppose it has to do the same job or more but simpler for it to be better.
Father Xmas....
My point was that what many people consider necessary is sometimes far from it, and often insanity in those cases.
Is it a necessity to parallel park yourself? I think not, especially since the car does most of the work already. It's not like we can easily push our vehicles into a parallel parking position, especially before we would be run over by traffic.
I think there is a lot that people deem necessary but that better design would make unnecessary.
Oh sure, there does need to be someone knowledgeable for when things breakdown, but if the "average user" is expected to know too many "tricks" then your design is likely seriously flawed.
Anyway, I haven't read any reviews of Windows 8. I just have heard that it is meant to be streamlined to run on tablets with touch interface, and saw a picture of the interface example a while back, and I would like to see things designed for tablet use first and foremost because that is the future(along with making the operating system much less of resource hog). I'm sure of this, until we get brain interfaces.
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Quote:First, I still had to do that as well, and my brother has to show he can parallel park also.Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Well as something becomes more attainable by more people and as technology gets cheap enough, it inevitably gets "dumb down". Cars now parallel park themselves, something you had to show you could do back when I first got my license.
Second, my point was that is not "dumbed down".
1) It may require less experience and intelligence on your part ot use, but that doesn't make you less intelligent. It's just eliminating the necessity of certain things.
Are out lives "dumbed down" because we no longer have to make our own hunting tools and actually hunt our own food or figure out how to domesticate crops all over again?
Or, are we now free to devote our brain power to other pursuits that are actually more challenging?
2) The vehicle(from you example) is actually "smarter", not "dumbed down", because it can parallel park for you.
What will you call a vehicle that actually drives itself in the future when that occurs finally to prevent almost all crashes? Will you call that vehicle "mindless"? or will you call the people who use that technology to stay uninjured and alive "lazy and stupid"?
Advancements always look like "dumbing down", but that's just the old man "you young whipper-snappers have it too easy....in my day I had to walk to work, uphill both ways, barefoot in the snow....".
I, for one, am happy to see things "dumbed down" because it means I don't have to devote my brain power to just "getting this busted piece of crap to work" and can just use it to further my knowledge or get things done fast so I can devote my time and energy to a more worthy pursuit than "cleaning up that programmer's mess".
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For the record, I think gesture control is dumb. It's a lot more complicated than typing or buttons or even voice control. Voice control should be where they are headed if anything.
A haven't experienced any Apple products myself, so I wouldn't know what those are like.
They can go too far, but they have to push boundaries to find out what works and what doesn't. That is why I look forward to Windows 8. Even if it flops, they will learn from it and make the next thing better because they really love money. -
Quote:1) Many nested menus under one button is not "better" or "simpler". That's a whole mess of "where the hell is this program now?" and "now how do I get rid of every last bit of this program?".Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
I'm not. I'm not a huge fan of ditching a comprehensive, deep menuing system in favor of "What the hell does THIS non-helpfully non-labelled button do?"
Let's be frank here. The Metro interface, and it's predecessor, the MS Office Ribbon? They're not better. They're not simpler. They're not "more elegent". They're dumber. Plain and simple.
They're "good enough" for anyone who doesn't know how to use a computer in the first place.
But for people trying to be productive on a computer?
It's a mess.
It was designed from the perspective that every user was going to be somewhat experienced and advanced, not "simple to learn, difficult to master" as it really should be.
2) We have had the "non-helpful, non-labeled button" for a long time in the "start button".
My start button is just a Windows logo. It doesn't say anything until I mouse over it, but it just says "start" despite my computer already being "started". It should really say "Menu" or something else much better representative of its function.
You know how I know something does something? I see the picture it shows and I see that "one of these things is not like the other" with regards to it sticking out like a sore thumb from the background.
3) You are a much more advanced user than I am. I am more advanced than many other people as well.
We are not the ones operating systems should be designed for as you could maybe even code your own operating system.
It is "dumber" because "simple" IS "dumber" when you consider "your own level of intelligence" as "normal" and anything below your intelligence as "dumber".
4) It is not "dumber" if it is more concise and obvious, while keeping the fine details that are mostly unused in a back portion. That's called being "smarter".
It's like a higher level programming language. The better and higher level programming languages let us use more of our language rather than learning how to translate our language into a bunch of 1s and 0s.
Honestly, the dumber system is the old way that requires you to have more knowledge.
It may require you to be smarter, but the computer is dumber.
There is this one rule that designers and people in general tend to forget....
K.I.S.S.: Keep It Simple Stupid
The ONLY reason you think it is "not simpler" and "dumber" is because you are used to knowing exactly where to look and how to do things with the user interface standard you have had for 15+ years.
You don't want to learn a new way, so you don't care if the new way is better.
I'm willing to learn and recognize the flaws in the current "status quo". I am happy to see new experiments and improvements.
If they fail, they will likely either be "completely worse than before"(unlikely since the new is intended to improve upon the old it is based on) or will inspire improvements in the next generation or competition.
I very much doubt that windows 8 is as bad as you say it is, and it certainly is not worse than the 15+ year old standard. We're just used to the old standard. -
I found two more instances of the bug where NPCs are not switching to/from ally/enemy.
contact: Investigator Whitworth
mission: "Eliminate Sergeant Iminez in warehouse"
Iminez and his guards don't switch to enemy/hostile after the proper dialog option. He also does not need to be "eliminated" for the mission to complete despite that being what the story asks.
contact: Chance McKnight
mission: Meet Jones' Boss
You have to beat Masamoto to a certain low health point at which he turns ally because he "has seen the error of his ways" and you are supposed to "show him mercy".
For added measure, I went ahead and finished him off before going back to Tub Ci and seeing that he didn't register me killing Masamoto.
Oddly enough, Masamoto has one more bit of dialog when you finish him off: "Please... No...".
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Another instance....
Mission: Meet Jones' Boss
Contact: Chance McKnight
Masamoto starts hostile but doesn't turn ally after his health hits a certain threshold like it used to.
This was supposed to force you to "show mercy" as the story says.
And this was just a few missions after Investigator Whitworth and the above bugged mission. -
Quote:The difference being that my idea of "no cape" seems super simple compared to those.Originally Posted by Jet_Boy
Put that on the list with: hats without hair, masks without skin tone, metallic skins without seams, "removable" crab backpacks, quivers and holsters, male Carnival of Light costumes, and a whole slew of other things we'll probably never get.
Also, I would like to add "tights with skin that actually look like tights instead of body paint".
Who thought THAT was ever a good idea to have any supposed "clothing" look like "body paint"? No wonder it's so easy to make "nude" looking characters, at least for females. -
Quote:I meant, can you get that 95% chance to hit against +4s with just the SOs in a power?Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
In the enhancement management screen, hover your mouse over a power and it shows what the current enhancement percentages are at. Each accuracy SO provides ~+33% enhancement (the second one is a bit less, and the third one is a good bit less than that... 4th and beyond are useless).
I don't have access to IOs so getting accuracy benefits is harder, especially since my powers and slots are tight in most builds. -
Quote:That could be a symptom of "stuck in my ways, so I want it to work the same way as always".Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Have it set up on a VM *and* - to make sure that wasn't influencing me - on another system.
Absolutely, positively *despise* Win8 on a PC. On a tablet, sure, I can see exactly what they're shooting for - but I absolutely hate it on a standard PC. And that's *after* working on getting used to its methods of doing things.
Honestly, I think I had a better reaction to Vista at this stage (and Win7 was an "I'd buy and use this as is, *right now,* about a beta previous to where Win8 is now.)
I'm actually hoping to get away from the standard desktop look that started way back with...Windows 95(?).
Essentially, I want what I want in every game which isa better user interface. That can and does apply to operating systems as well.
It has to perform well and be a simpler elegant interface. -
So how many SOs would that take?
These percentages and everything are a little confusing. -
Odd, now the bug is happening the other way. FYI, my character is a Loyalist.
Mission: "Eliminate Sergeant Iminez in warehouse"
Contact: Investigator Whitworth
I'm disguised as a syndicate member in this mission.
Sergeant Iminez, a resistance spy in the PPD also working with the syndicate, starts out as an ally until you talk to him at which point is is supposed to turn hostile and attack while being vulnerable.
He stayed an ally, but he did attack the syndicate.
His resistance member guards are still an allies to me as well.
This mission is apparently doubly bugged though. Not only did he stay an ally, impossible to kill as the story required, but the mission completed while he was still alive.
It should be required to kill him, and he should turn hostile to me.
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Looks like I was right, Texas Justice and everyone. It's not just a "one time only" bug. I've seen it twice just in Imperial City story arcs. -
I want that option as well. It would look so awesome.
I'm not a fan of capes, but I love the "shoulder mantle" and high-collar look.
I wonder if they could take that part of the high-collar cape option, since it is not linked to any cape in particular, and add it to some other category like shoulders such that it also doesn't allow capes but maybe still allows wings and backpacks.
I don't know. I just want that piece separate from the cape.
Hell, the simplest option would be to give us a "no cape" cape sub-option under high-collar. -
Quote:It used to work, back a long time ago. I think that was before they increased the super group size limit. Maybe they broke it when they did that.Originally Posted by Davpa_CoX
I've never seen the demotion feature work. I have a few officers that have well exceeded their drop time and they are still in the ranks. I don't want to kick them because they are important in the history of the group, but I want them to demote down the ranks. I wish they would actually get that feature to work.
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Superior Invisibility, which uses 1.04 endurance per second and 0.53 at the ED cap of 3 SOs, seems more expensive in endurance than it should be.
A) I remember a patch a while back that adjusted incorrect and too expensive endurance costs. I'm not sure if this was one of the powers adjusted or to what.
B) It really doesn't seem worth an endurance cost higher than 2 applications of Shadow Fall or Time's Juncture or the same as Enervating Field.
Sure, the power has some benefits, but the benefits are extremely limited.
1) Any stealth radius over 65ft is wasted because the special enemies that can see farther usually negate stealth entirely, such as Rikti Drones.
2) The controller stealth cap cuts it almost in half in pvp anyway. Anybody with a single perception buff can then see the controller a long way off, perhaps beyond the controller's own perception. This should be considered a bug since the single best stealth power is not even close to what it should be in pvp, but that's a different topic.
3) It doesn't provide any more defense than the power stealth from the concealment pool.
4) It doesn't provide anything but stealth radius and a small amount of defense, unlike powers such as Steamy Mist and Shadow Fall which have half the endurance cost of SI and provide more always on defense and 15% resistance to each of 3 exotic damage types AND ARE AOE.
5) The stalker power Hide provides about the same benefit, at least in PVE, but doesn't cost any endurance.
Sure, Superior Invisibility provides stealth that is easily high enough for all but special enemies and doesn't suppress in combat, but that does not seem like it earns it one of the highest endurance costs of any toggle power ever.
Just look at Shadow Fall and Steamy Mist. Combine those 2 on a team and your WHOLE LEAGUE has 70ft of stealth(more than needed for most of the game), much more defense and a LOT of resistance to 5(?) damage types, all for half the endurance cost per character using those powers and costing the league nothing as far as endurance.
I think Superior Invisibility either must be bugged or needs an adjustment down to 0.52 endurance per second, maximum 0.66 endurance per second(double Stealth's cost).
Now, I know there are certain arguments that will be used to say "its endurance cost is fair and right where it should be", but a couple of the above points, namely the ones about Steamy Mist and Shadow Fall, refute some of them.
1) Illusion Control has Deceive, a confuse power, to go with Superior Invisibility.
So? Does that hurt Arachnos Widows who go down the Fortunata path and get Mask Presence, 40ft stealth, plus mez protection and high defense with very high scaling resistance and the exact same confuse power all while doing more damage?
Confuse also doesn't help you get experience without fighting. You still need to do damage to each and every enemy to get experience from them. It may be safe, but it's not the fastest or best way to lots of experience without a lot of damage(which drains endurance a lot too) to back it up.
By the way, confuse can be used for the same thing regardless of having stealth or not. It pretty much is stealth, if cast from far enough away which is easy due to its long range of 80ft.
The argument that they have confuse doesn't justify the huge endurance cost.
2) It doesn't suppress in combat.
Yes it does, but not "actual" suppression. First, the defense benefit is cut in half(which is the same benefit as the cheaper Concealment.Stealth in all situations) as soon as you attack or are attacked. Second, every enemy that is part of the same spawn group will immediately notice you as soon as you use anything on them besides confuse.
Pretty much you just avoid extra aggro which is easily already provided by being aware of your surroundings. It's not exclusive to Superior Invisibility.
Most ambushes can also see right through your stealth, and they follow you through the entire mission.
Lack of suppression in combat is both practically untrue and not worth the endurance cost when other characters get the same benefit without using endurance at all through obvious and simple strategy.
3) You can stealth missions.
First, this is not exclusive to SI because even Stealth alone can do this so long as you keep some distance from enemies, even Teleport can do this without even being hidden by porting past enemy groups.
Second, you're not getting experience for the enemies you pass by.
Third, most ambushes can still see right through your stealth.
Fourth, specially perceptive enemies can still see you.
Superior Invisibility is the single most expensive buff toggle I can think of. It really should not be that expensive, especially considering the comparatively little it can do versus other powers and what players can do with more than half a brain.
Superior Invisibility must be bugged or in need of an endurance cost adjustment to about half of what it currently costs.
It would still cost more than any other stealth toggle by about double, before and after enhancements, but it would be more in line with the benefits it provides.
It would definitely improve the low level capabilities of Illusion Control which frequently drains my endurance dry before and after DOs.
It would also make it easier to use secondary powers and more of the primary powers, without having to toggle off SI to be able to stay in a fight that is guaranteed to last longer than the already intended length of fights for every archetype(because controllers are slow and Illusion is slower).
Why is it so expensive to use Superior Invisibility for such obviously little benefit above other cheaper powers and strategies? -
Quote:Wow! That really sucks. It just goes to show you how messed up that system of locking character slots to a server instead of a character and allowing transfers is.Originally Posted by Organica
8. The Exalted Server. Which is an even bigger problem if
9. ....you've used your global unlocks on that server. This happened to someone else recently, and they weren't able to play any characters at all because their global unlocks allowed with a Premium account were locked behind the VIP-only server. -
Quote:"Abandon all hope ye who enter here."Originally Posted by phloogie
It sounds like my problem isn't new/unique, but might be limited to First Ward and related....someone should put some signs up by the entrance....
"croatoa"
Or, maybe the underground entry, lack of any welcoming party, destruction and Seed of Hamidon visible for miles were sign enough?
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I am sorry for my rudeness in all areas.
It was just a bit much for me seeing the same GM respond with his usual unhelpful response.
I'm tired of bugs, let alone bad support for them. -
1) He is a senior GM. The posted correspondence shows that.
2) He does this EVERY TIME.
I used to be polite, but the 30th(at least) time was my limit. I'm rather sick of always, ALWAYS, seeing COMPLETELY UNRELATED answers to my petitions/bug reports.
In this case, I'm looking to get my auto-complete timer reset, not a tutorial on how to subscribe. -
Believe whatever you want to believe, but I know that if you received that response to a support request(and others exactly as wrong) then you would also be very angry with a few choice words for him.
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Quote:How else am I supposed to voice my complaints about that GM after he repeatedly gives me completely unrelated "copy/paste" answers and still is allowed to respond to my petitions despite my repeated comments against him in many surveys they sent me?Originally Posted by Aneko
By the way, you might have considered reading the rules first, and saving yourself the trouble of posting that private correspondence.
He needs to be removed from his job, as you can see from the correspondence.
He is senior to the other GM and was supposed to actually read and help with the problem, but he instead chose to paste an answer to a problem I certainly have not had.
He's a moron or intentionally not doing his job. He deserves nothing less than to be fired immediately.
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I can't even read private messages if they send me a warning about it being deleted because I can't access my private message box or send any apparently as a non-VIP.
It's really funny how they completely insult even their "possibly paying" customers. -
Quote:The anger is getting stronger.Originally Posted by Aneko
The hyperbole is strong in this one.
But calmly, what other results can there be in response to a bad bug like this one?
There are only 2 options:
1) They can fix it and fix the original cause of it so that it doesn't happen again.
2) They can leave it alone or break it even more with future patches.
Either the game gets better or it stays the same and very likely gets worse.
Those are the only options when it comes to programming.