SweetChilli

Hey - nice blaster idea....

How about 2 blasters doing that, 2 FF def's perma-phaing. Thats 4 anyways....anyone got a suggestion for the other 4?

Plus the fact that when we start making enzymes....we could respec and use 2 or 3 slots for the same effect as 6.

Stick them slots elsewhere, then stick a few enzymes in them too

You think thats a lot of slots? My other char has 107 slots!

End reduc and recharge would only be the least benefit.

I have plenty of powers that have 3 or 4 types of enhancement in them. Their power would be boosted incredibly.

Plus, with all that end reduction and recharge (if they wish) many build may be able to get rid of stamina and hasten and pick 2 whole new power pools.

I think its still possible to combine hami's although I've never dared try that yet. So there are further possiblities also.

@Synaesthetix....ok...you want to go back and pick apart what he said as well please? He was the one that started with the therories thing...not me.

I agree...it is boring and if done correctly, would not lead to a very fulfilling PvP experience.

However, possibly a watered down version of it could be applied and shouldn't we consider all possiblities for fear that they might be used against us and we can prepare for those eventualities.?

Am I the only one that has actually read Sun Tzu's book?

Right Sgt....I will contact youand prove to you in the arena if that is what you need.

I think if we did the raids more often...say once a month....more people would turn up. Plus, once they see the benifit of Hammi's.

For a player with all hami's in every slot, its the equivilent of him having twice as many slots.


Edit: At the moment I have 95 slots on my cont. If she were to have a Hami in each slot, it would be the equivilent of having 190 slots.

Oh I can see problems with it - I can even think of a few teams that could counter it. I just doubt we would come up against any of them.

But the arguement that it would take too much coordination, I believe, is false. So one or 2 people miss their target. That leaves 8 against those 2 until the detention field wears off. Good odds I think.

The problem I have with what Sgt_Furnace said is that he said it lasts 10 seconds in the arena. If you don't know Sgt....then don't guess and then spout rubbish based on an incorrect assumption - maybe then you'll be taken seriously.
Does one see why I came to that conclusion?

Also in post 413811 - you said that your theroy disapproves my theroy. I think you meant to say disproves.

Now, 2 things wrong with that.

1. One theory cannot disprove another - because they are both theories.

2. If a theory is proved, then its not a theory. You have not proved anything because you have not tested it. So how can you not testing your theory disprove another theroy that has not been tested?

This proves my theory that your logic and thinking is flawed. Its moments of 'genius' like this from you that prove you can bring nothing whatsoever to this discussion.

I wasn't laying down the law....I was just saying that if done properly, this could very well be a hard team to beat.

And Sgt_Furnace. Just tested it in the arena my lvl 23 def against a lvl 49 blaster. And guess what? You are a liar!

I can perma it WITHOUT hasten in the arena. What other lie will you come up with this time I wonder...

Maybe try not lying and you might be taken more seriously. Many PvP tournaments? Well what about the others with no such rules where you can have as many of 1 AT as you want? I dunno.....do we even have them on this server or against defiant?

Maybe we could just keep that team in reserve for those 'special tounaments'. When is the next one please seeing as you seem to know how often they occur?

But fine....you lot forget I even mentioned it. How dare I suggest that a team of 8 bubblers might be able to keep 7 people perma-phased.

Now explain to everyone why you lied please.

Sgt_Furnace

Just tested it on a brute called Project VIII. And guess what? I could perma-phase him even WITHOUT hasten on.

And I have never said it was anything other than a theory. But so many people have dismissed it off hand. Anyone could come up with a scheme like this. But to have the skill to implement it and weed out the weaknesses is where the real PvP skill lies. There is no skill in having a great build and button basking your way through people, but thinking outside the box is where the skill lies.

Well sorry for making a suggestion. And the key thing is I'm not saying that 1 bubbler is unstoppable. But if we got those odds up to 8 onto 1 then those 8 would have a fairly good chance. Right - I'm off now to test the duration in PvP...

There are no experienced PvP'ers on here. I thought the last fight against defiant proved that.

Well have you ever done those mishes where you have to defuse bombs at the same time? We all mange to do them without teamspeak.

You little speach is just stupid. So thats exactly how it would go then is it? Oh well, lets not bother then. Because in your head thats exactly how it went. Nevermind the fact that you have never tested it or have a bubbler with PvP experience.

So can we have a duel them? Just in your head of course because thats the ultimate arena. Lets say my scrapper against your blaster?

Please list what happens in the fight and give us the end result please. Maybe we should just PvP like this in future. Never actually load up CoX....just ask Andy75 and he will tell you what happens in the fight and who wins.

More impressively, if its a team v's team, he can tell you what everyone says over team speak too. He has ultime knowledge of all things by the look of it. Maybe I should be careful because I am sitting here mocking God. wonder if a lightening bolt is going to hit me any minute now.

So Andy is saying that with a team of 8 bubblers, it will be IMPOSSIBLE for them to detension bubble 7 of the other team within 5 seconds of each other. Totally and utterly impossible. No force on Earth could ever accomplish this task. Andy says that and thats good enough for me. I'll stick it on my impossible list. I'll even put it about 'making a square circle'.

We don't need 8 regular playing bubblers.

We just need 8 bubblers! Thats all we need to test it, brains!

Ta cherry

Well maybe 6 bubblers might be over kill and a case of basket and eggs. Maybe 4 would do. Sex it up a bit with some other AT's.

Its virtually unresistable. Being able to keep someone else perma-phased is a nice option to consider though...even if its not the same person all the time.

You don't know that. Some coordination through teamspeak would be essential. Did I ever say that the unbubbled on would not fight back? The point is that the one tracting him would remain pff'ed until the group was ready to lunge.

Just need to win by one kill...

Instead of saying - it won't work because of this, that or the other (or I can think of a million teams that this would not work against. which is a stupid thing to say because then I could say wekll I can think of a million counters to your counters. 2 meaningless sentences with specifics given)


Why not say interesting idea, i can think of a few things that might counter it, but maybe we can work out a few counters to those counters. Thats the real skill in PvP...knowing your powers, other peoples powers and knowing their limits and yours. You don't need to beat them in every category, just need to know how to nudge them out of their confort zone.

Lets get some bubblers together and try it. I have one for starters.

You are both forgetting the use of PFF. To begin, the team would put these up. Once they have all picked an opposing team mate to phase, they follow them around until everyone is in position.

On command, 7 of them drop their PFF and phase their victim.

Those 7 then rush to their team mate who didn't drop their PFF. Then all 8 lay into that one victim. Victim dies. 8 put their PFF back up, rinse, repeat.

Bob's your uncle!

Well, nope.

It would work. Although there are certain things that have resistance to phasing, players at the moment cannot increase their resistance to it. 3 acc and 3 recharge are just enough to perma-phase anything.

Its dirty, boring, cheap and nasty. Suits me down to the ground! Lets do it!

Thats the idea Sgt Furnace! You hit the nail on the head!

8 bubble defenders using detention field. slotted 3 acc and 3 recharge ( I have one at the moment).

Chances are that if 8 cast it on another team of 8, only 1 or 2 will fail. Thats leaves 1 or 2 onto a team of 8 defenders. With hasten and tacticas also running on all 8, the team can keep the other team 'phased' for as long at they wish, and just let the odd one out to kill them. Boring, but do-able methinks.

even against a team of 8 stalkers, running tactics and using PPF if needed would still make this a team that I don't think could be stopped.

Boring I know. But if winning is our primary objective...

Count me in (sweet chilli).

Sweet Chilli reporting for duty.

BTW, lying awake last night I thought of a team of 8 defenders that could beat any other team I think. They would all be the same build virtually, and the tactics might be considered 'cheap' and 'boring'....but I'm 99% sure that no other team could beat them.

anyone doing one of these soon - maybe both?

If so, I am up for it with Zanbar Bone.

I'll be up for a team at some point in the future folks with sweet chilli. Though I need a free respec to come along, I don't mind dying a few times before I get it...

Well whats the point in laughing at someone if they can't hear you?

I found it amazingly funny and I've still got a big daft grin on my face when typing this.