SteelRat

There are two scenarios where it's especially noticable; one if you're firing a ranged energy builder whilst hovering. Your legs don't move at all whilst everything above the waist is fully animated. The other scenario is running along the ground and getting hit by a ranged projectile. Your legs continue to run, but your top half reacts to the hit. Looks really odd.

I agree with you about the "taking itself seriously" thing too and actually that's one of the other things why CO put me off. It's almost like you're playing a SuperHero Parody, rather than a super hero game. CoH felt "grittier" with moments of humour, whereas CO just feels like one pie-in-the-face after another.

Still.. I'm aware I'm turning this into a "CO vs COH Thread", which it obviously isn't.

We return you to your scheduled programming..

Thanks for pointing this out to me. Having done a little digging, I have a feeling this is a game that would grow on me. Sure, the visuals are a little dated but reading around sounds as if the core gameplay and the implementation of the way the game world works sounds like its got the potential for an awful lot of depth.

Will edit the OP to include it!

Youre welcome. Tad Willis himself is involved with the project too so i think the game will do justice to the feel of the lore. As i said in the op i really like the unique look and feel of this game and from what ive seen theres going to be some really nice ideas thrown in there.

Gravity is a fantastic set, if for no other reason you get one of the most comedic powers in the game at level 6. Propel. Throwing a pool table or a forklift at someones face never gets old.

Now THAT is Karma

To be fair I probably wasn't making my point as well as I might. What I was trying to say was that games have always had a "lifespan". There have been reasons beyond completing it, getting the newest shiney, or just moving on to something else which have often been things beyond the control of most of us.

I'm fully aware of emulators, DOSBox, VMWare and all those other things to extend the life of an old game or give us a chance to work around those limitations, but more often than not I've found when I've got misty eyed about a game I used to play, spent an hour researching the ways of getting it going again only to find that it very quickly showed its age.

MMO's are no different in that respect when you get to the bottom line and demonising NCSoft as an evil game killer is a bit over the top, imo.

Thing is though, how many old games do people actually still play? Do people still play Spy Hunter, or Manic Miner, or Elite, or any of those games that don't require a cost by a company to maintain? Or for example, what happens when an old game you love doesn't run on your new PC because of OS compatibility, or graphics support or a myriad of other reasons?

The difference here is that the closure of an MMO is something that's forced on the players en masse by the company that runs it and so there's that whole "wanting something you can't have" effect that takes over, but ultimately it's no different to upgrading your Amstrad CPC464 to a PC and finding you can't play Ikari Warriors anymore.

Of course not, but I don't really remember him saying that in the thread. Granted, I was reading it on my phone on the train on the way home from work so maybe I missed it. That said, I didn't get any sense of him making things personal from any of his other posts, so why should I assume he would in the very first one?

To be honest given that the whole thread has been deleted and I can't go back and check, this is a little moot, is it not?

Very much this.

Tony whilst I do understand where you're coming from there are two things in your post that really stand out.

Firstly, the "Do a deal with us or else" stance is a bit.. well.. pompous. I mean honestly, who do you think you are? Whilst I do agree that CoH is / was a "venerable" title with a loyal playerbase, and the way they handled things wasn't ideal, ultimately it was a game that was in steady decline for a number of years. SaveCoH was harking on about how amazing 20,000 signatures was and what a powerful voice they had, but in the scheme of things 20,000 is nothing, really, less than nothing. GuildWars 2 sold 2 MILLION copies in its first MONTH.

Whilst they weren't very "nice" about the whole thing, ultimately what more did you expect from a company that already had and continues to have money worries. An example of this was yesterday when someone tweeted about a newspaper article in the Korean times explaining the CEOs sale of the majority of his shares and this being the primary reason for its stock market slump. I'm no market expert, but it was there in black and white that it was the reason, and yet seemingly this was lost on the majority of everyone else saying what an amazing job the Unity Rally did. City of Heroes, wasn't even MENTIONED.

Secondly, if you think the comments of the Anti-NCSoft movement is still all flowers and rainbows, you've seriously lost touch with what's going on. Again (and I realise that given it's my only source, my PoV is likely to be a little polarised) I was following #SaveCoH on Twitter until relatively recently. More or less without fail on a daily basis there were a handful of tweets linking to a news article and the tweeter encouraging everyone to comment bomb it. Not only that the stance of the posters was equally "listen to me or else". Honestly? I can almost imagine the NCSoft Christmas party being a round up of some of their favourites.

Have to admit, I did miss that in the original read through, but noted.

To clarify the "one voice" comment I made was largely metaphorical. Sure the Titan FORUM was the place that voice was largely heard, certainly in the initial stages and before the other avenues to which it travelled like Twitter and Facebook.

To clarify again, my beef was never with TonyV and to be honest I don't have any kind of axe to grind with Titan as a whole. However I just feel the anti NCSoft sentiment has gotten a little out of control and gone a little too far. This is what I feel is detrimental to what SaveCoH set out to acheive. YMMV

The problem is that unless you're actively involved with the details of the Titan network, that clan mentality can come across when it's presented to you "in the wild" as it were. From that point of view, people can be forgiven for thinking that because it can come across as such a universal point of view, it's endorsed by the people that run it. Whether they are right or not is generally not the point, because by then the real message is lost.

I don't mean to offend (genuinely), but whilst such tenacity can be and often is admirable, doesn't there come a point where that's just blind ignorance? Granted, that mindset alone doesn't hurt anyone else but you can surely see the point of view of people that think it's a little ... "unrealistic"? (Not the best choice of words, but the only one that comes to mind)

I do get that, honestly. I think a lot of the negativity comes from the "give it up already" mentality because people want to shield themselves from further disappointment. Again.. I'm not saying it's right or wrong to do that, but if you are going to have that do or die mindset, you need to bear in mind that other people will not only share it, but do what they can to avoid it, including trying to persuade you that what you're doing is a little fruitless.

You're right, they can't. And in those instances you've just gotta take it on the chin and move on.

The thing is, even though I did take the p out of you for the gist of what you said there (for which I apologise), you're no different to me from that point of view. I don't say things to try and impress anyone, I just say things as I see them.


Agreed.. although from the PoV of tactical shifts, there was always that few who were itching to bring out both barrels and the larger community did rather well to keep those people reigned in. Unfortunately as time went on and the polite efforts were ignored there seemed to be the adoption of the "F**k it.. what have we got to lose?" mindset. And really, I think that's where it all got a bit out of hand.

Yup..

If we're both people who "say it as we see it", then why shouldn't we?

Like I say, I went on the Titan forums mainly just to keep tabs of the latest news. Once I "discovered" Twitter, I found that to be a much better summary of what was going on than wading through endless posts of things I really wasn't that interested in. My observations are therefore only what I saw from the goings on the #SaveCoH column. Perhaps I was wrong to assume that the two sources of information went hand in hand, but from what little time I spent on Titan, the same prominent faces appeared on the Twitter feed, so it seemed logical the two were linked.

As I said, I was never really that involved in the Titan forums other than browsing, so that "tiny voice" thing doesn't really apply to me.


Heh.. ironically, that's all I did too. Unfortunately that person was tagged as an undesirable, and so I was so tainted by association. But.. yanno.. I say things as I see 'em.

Bitter resentment? Maybe. However much I enjoyed playing the game over the years, the whole community thing I never really experienced, despite my efforts to take part. I dare say there'll be pictures of violins or tearful ponies or other some such ridicule, but the irony when people do that is it just fosters those feelings in the people that are affected by it.

Why are posts like this even remotely necessary? Honestly.

I'm only talking about the thread that was deleted this evening. I guess because he's already tainted it's impossible to take individual threads on face value?

Good god.

I'm not going to answer everything in that because there were just far too many words. I tend to skip through most walls of text, especially when they include things like "I'm just being me". Well of course you are. Who else would you be? Have a cracker.

Essentially though, I will admit to forming my opinions largely on what I saw on Twitter by the people posting on #SaveCoH. And I will also admit that originally, I was one of those people. A bit of satirical sideswiping at NCSoft was initially quite fun and a rather nice way of letting of steam. It was also a good way to keep up with the news about the efforts to save the game without wading through all the other stuff that I had largely no interest in.

Then there was a shift in the whole mood of things. It changed from light hearted digs into a full on smear campaign, and that's when I bowed out, because that emphasis isn't healthy (imo) doesn't reflect well on what SaveCoH is trying to achieve (again only from my point of view; others clearly have other agendas) and something I'd rather not be a part of.

My point is, if as a regularly contributing member to that campaign I found the taste in my mouth soured by the activities of what seemed to be a vocal majority, how is that going to be perceived by the people who's hearts you're trying to win? And for the record why is it not our place to criticise if we think something is heading in the wrong direction? Criticism, constructive criticism at least, is how things get improved. Ultimately of course, whether that criticism is taken on board and actioned upon is down to the people that make those kinds of decisions, but please don't tell me it's not my place to make it.

The only other thing the Titan forums seemed to be advocating in any volume was Plan Z. And as I've said in other threads, I do honestly wish the people involved the best of luck with it, but I've also seen similar efforts made before when support for a much loved game ends (for example back in the 90s a group had the idea to make an Interstate '82 mod for Battlefield 1942) and more or less without fail they get so far and fizzle into nothing. If in a couple of years something solid does come of it, all well and good, sign me up, but for now I won't be seeing this as any more than vapourware and will be placing my faith in something a little more solid.