Snoozer

I wasn't aware the simplistic became the impossibly hard when it came to programming for CoH. Understanding the basics of game design you can see this is just that: basic. The only real issue here would be where it would fall on the list of priorities, since there are over 9000 basic things also being implemented I'm sure.

This is going to lead to a "yes it is" "no it isn't" so I'm just going to say "it was over 30" and you can say that and repeat until infinity. The point of this is on the starting point of the raid. Namely that when a zone is full and people are twiddling their thumbs, I find it really difficult to imagine there's some grand strategy at work that requires 40+ people to sit and wait to perform an all but meaningless requirement to begin a raid.

I intend to. I will gladly counter any and all point you attempt to make that disrespects their effort. It's not like you're giving meaningful advice on how to better perform under these conditions, it's only sour grapes. You spiting on their efforts after the fact is a straight up insult and an obvious attempt to accentuate on the negative rather than seeing it as an event for everyone learn from. What did I learn from this? Well what I already known was now made obvious: Pylons can be done blindfolded and was not slowed down at all, the rest from my observation was a fault of timing. The GM was pulled too soon and at least 2 different people went to get it. A designated puller would help, should the organizers choose to abandon the raid on a whim again. The biggest problem was no bubblers so the squishies were frequently stunned. These are a few of the things I learned from the awesome attempt the people fighting that day. The more you say failure, the more I'll say of the epic battle and the fun that we all had.


I'm not talking about merits. We did quite well in that department all things considered. The point was you saying many didn't receive badge credit for the GM in addition to your claim that everyone gets it in organized raids. I saw the call for the GM on broadcast, and while they didn't give times like the regular raids do, I still saw an effort to make sure people were aware. While I'm not faulting the organizers on people missing the GM credit and find this the fault of the individual who misses the messages, it's regular to see people nowhere near the GM attacking random rikti near the front of the ship. If you were trying to say "everyone who wanted the badge" then more likely than not yes. In both organized and not I'm willing to bet most if not all who wanted the badge credit got it.

This is a simple difference in opinion here. The main difference is I don't tell people to kick people from their team who stay dead and basically focus on creating drama that is in no way related to punching rikti in the face. I usually prefer the side that doesn't dictate to others how to think and act!

You've yet to say "how" this has hurt anyone but the raid organizer's pride because someone dared to say "pylon ##" on broadcast. Last I checked, the lack in organization happened due to the organizers abandoning the raid.

Actually I read exactly what you said. Here it is again:

According to you, starting early will totally mess up people's personal business and ruin their plans. If you think that's silly then welcome to my side of the argument!

By the way, it was Drake that decided the raid was usurped, and this somehow became the organizers new talking point. People started attacking pylons to get the raid going, someone said a pylon number on broadcast, then the raid was abandoned by the organizer over broadcast ("I guess ______ is leading" as I recall). It's obvious the ultimate goal here was for the raid to end unsuccessfully and spitefully say "Told ya so!" However, that didn't happen and the attempt to still do the "Told ya so!" is just plain silly.

Then don't say "I'm taking my ball and going home!" then get upset when everyone finds a new ball to play with and goes on with or without you.

When words do not suffice, there is

Moving on: Last week was fun but was also revealed many festering wounds that were being ignored. To outright abandon a raid due to people attacking pylons early makes it clear to me this has been going on for a while and only now became just too much to handle. It's been stated before, but cannot be enough: Attacking the pylons was not an attempt to be disrespectful but was a strong desire to get rolling when the zone was full. Hopefully all sides have come out of this better and will see how improvements can be made not only from the other side, but their own. What I'm suggesting is to find a way to harness the feeling of eagerness rather than attempting to contain it, because it is a promise and a guarantee that the results would certainly be less than satisfactory for everyone involved. Working together with mutual understanding and respect is what is necessary and the first step towards that is to stop seeing the other side as the enemy but rather a friend with another viewpoint...then again, I'm just an optimist who likes punching things a lot!

Once the GM was down I will acknowledge people were satisfied to have both their badge credits and moseyed off. I think it's ludicrous to consider ending a raid with anything over 30 to be a failure. It's not only the leaders who can be insulted in these matters, each and every person in that zone does their part and I refuse to allow you to call their efforts a failure.

You cannot say with certainty "everyone" gets credit in an organized raid. I can acknowledge effort being made to get everyone credit for it. You also cannot say for certain "a bunch" did not get it last week, as evidence is severely lacking to back up this statement.

No one really cared about corpse camping, so no one (in the usual hostile fashion) encouraged people to go to the hospital. It's more annoying to complain about corpse camping than the corpse camping itself. See it as their lose and your gain, because they lose out on fun and you gain in vengeance if they're on your team.

And on your last point, I'll acknowledge that compared to a normal raid last week's didn't go as smoothly as normal. But I can absolutely say that it went better than some of the organized raids. If you want to try to tell me the organized raids never been wiped out in the bowl, I'd love to hear that!


Well numerous things are wrong with this. If you treat the first stage of a hamidon raid the way you do a rikti raid, then it's not comparable. There's no special rikti damage that requires rikti insps to protect people. The monsters are vital for everyone to take part in. the Pylons are an annoyance that are just a base requirement, and frankly people rushing ahead and helping deal with them benefits people more than harming them. You don't lose in exp, inf, drops, anything. When everyone is ready they can join in the pre-raid already in progress.


Drake has started raids nearly 10 minutes early when the zone was full, so I guess you only care about the organizer's personal matters? If you're using that as your point then perhaps you can explain why this has happened in the past. I don't think he was wrong in starting early however, so I'll continue.

You're acting like this was a half hour prior to the start time and not close enough that I almost question if someone just needed to rewind their clock that sped ahead a bit. The issue wasn't the time so much as an issue of Drake not calling the pylons and being angry about this, which is something I can understand. I believe lessening the importance of the pylons in general and not taking it personally when people want to obliterate them once the zone is full will do both view points great benefit.

And I'm afraid I cannot finish without making a stern point here regarding all the vitriol spewing going on. Understand this before unleashing more needless name calling: These people you call ill-behaved cretins are the ones who show up every week and go through the good raids and the bad without complaint, and are over eager to help get the ball rolling. They don't rely on you to run the raid, you rely on them to be the fodder to make the raid a success, and it would do you well to tone down your arrogance several levels.

Join date=greater than. Awesome elitism there! From now on we can decide any argument by ignoring those troublesome words and just looking under the pretty pictures to the left to see the join date.

For the record, Drake is as evident from this thread a good guy, puts on a good raid, and just got a little irritated at a little over zealous nature. I don't fault him in being upset, nor do I fault those wanting the raid to get going, as pylons are simply a time sink necessary to get the raid going and not even jokingly can they be considered a honest and real part of it. When the zone is full it's not a question if a raid is starting, it's a question of is there enough to start another raid in RWZ 2. When this point is reached and things are not being punched, it's hard to see this as anything but wasted time. Just sayin'.