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Ohh, "vanilla heterosexual"! I like that term...it's so cute!
Sorry, I'm being weird again.

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Actually "vanilla" is used as a somewhat mildly disparaging term by the BDSM and D/s community to describe people who have "ordinary" sexual relations (kinda the way "muggles" are used in Harry Potter). It's used to imply that "normal" sex is boring by comparison.

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There is no reason to rename the ATs.

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This.

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Brutes become Pugalists and Fury morphs into Intensity.

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The Incredible Hulk is pretty much a Brute AT (gets stronger the more he gets angry) and he's a hero. I don't see a problem there.

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Soldiers (not Mercs)

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Aren't Wyvern mercs? And they're heroic, aren't they?
So why not mercs?

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Demon Summoning: What could be more hilarious than forcing evil to do good?

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Infernal is a Demon Summoner.

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If I see someone doing something that I consider blatantly offensive and annoying, I add them to my ignore list, give them a one star rating, and make a note that they are an idiot. When I join/form teams, I always check everyone on the team for prior ratings or notes to see if there are an known idiots present. End of problem.

I find most of the time in life it's better to handle situations yourself, rather than running off and tattling to an authority figure.

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This.

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Pardon me if this has already been stated; I haven't yet gone through the entire thread.

*Ahem*

THIS IS NOT CROSSDRESSING!

Male characters have not gained the ability to wear lipstick, pencil skirts, or a wedding dress. Likewise, female characters have not gained the ability to have beards or wear some of the typically "male" clothing options previously denied them (I can't think of any off the top of my head). This is switching out one character model for another. There is nothing inherently sexual about this. It only becomes a sexual thing when people want it to be sexual, be they playing it up or trying to stamp it out.

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The OP is unable to understand that costume slots encompass more than clothing. He is unable to conceive of the idea that a costume slot is anything but an outfit: if someone has a human costume slot and a lizard-man costume slot, then the human doesn't turn into a lizard in his mind, it puts on a lizard mask. Similarly, if a man changes into a woman, it actually put on a woman-mask and wore a dress. He's narrowly and hyper focused on the terminology "Costume Slot" to the point he believes it has an in-game reality. Why he doesn't consider slot 0 a costume I dont know.

But really all of this is because the OP simply doesn't understand what a costume slot represents.

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As far as the cartoons examples go. What happen to two wrongs dont make a right? I never said i agree with it.

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Actually I never asked if you AGREED with it. What I asked was does Bugs Bunny merit an "M" rating on his Looney Tunes cartoons because of his cross dressing, and if so, why hasn't anyone noticed in over 50 years?

You are contending that "cross dressing" violates the "T" rating, so I am wondering why Looney Tunes is rated for Everyone not just Teens, much less Mature, when it contains quite a bit of cross dressing. I am expecting you to reconcile this paradox or admit you don't know what you're talking about (or are, in fact, just a troll)

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touché

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As far as the cartoons examples go. What happen to two wrongs dont make a right? I never said i agree with it.

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Actually I never asked if you AGREED with it. What I asked was does Bugs Bunny merit an "M" rating on his Looney Tunes cartoons because of his cross dressing, and if so, why hasn't anyone noticed in over 50 years?

You are contending that "cross dressing" violates the "T" rating, so I am wondering why Looney Tunes is rated for Everyone not just Teens, much less Mature, when it contains quite a bit of cross dressing. I am expecting you to reconcile this paradox or admit you don't know what you're talking about (or are, in fact, just a troll)

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I was being a smart-[censored]... I knew that they weren't branding marks. I always kind of figured they were battle scars from fighting the other heroes in the city.

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Of course! The three parallel clean cuts are from SCRAPPER CLAWS! Why didn't I think of that!

I am pretty happy with Smurch (being a forceable fusion of Smoke and Scorch that somehow grew a U) for my fire/fire dom imp. It just sounded... impy.

My wife says I'm very "Smurchy" (which I guess means impish) so thats why I use that here.

Others I'm happy with are:

Doctor Fear (mind/ice dom)
The Flesh Sculptor (claws/regen stalker)
Invincible Dragon (dual-blade/WP brute and brash wuxia style character)

We also occasionally run around Hero side on (some server I forget which) in a SG called "Defenders Of Outstanding Freedom" or DOOF for short. It takes a special person to be a DOOF! It's our goofball heroes inspired by The Tick characters we play when we feel like expousing platitudes and being, well, a bunch of DOOFs.

My favorite DOOFs are

Commander Conduct (SS/invuln Tank and my wife plays his companion Miss Morality).
and
Fair-Weather Friend (Storm defender)

Although the best DOOF name went to a friend who doesn't play anymore.

He had "Mister Superpants"

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They are criss-crossed with scars all over, which are most definitely NOT whip marks.

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Most definitely not whip marks, branding marks on the other hand... that's all I'm saying, well that and never fall asleep around those Illusionists...

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Actually, no, the scars are deep, not puffed up like branding marks.

Take a look: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/File:Carnival-Strongman.jpg

The scars are relatively short (compared to whip marks), irregular in length, they criss-cross. They indent, some are clean and some are jagged and uneven in both width and depth. There's several different kinds of wounds here.

The ones on the left arm even partially encircle the arm and are both clean and even. No way a ring or a whip caused that.

Honestly, I think they're supposed to be battlescars, given the irregularity and inconsistency of the wounds, and that like someone else pointed out, anything else is purely subtext.

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I take it you never read the bio on Bronze Strongmen.

The Strongmen of the Carnival of Shadows are capable of amazing feats of strength. The Bronze Strongmen are recruited for their potential and are dominated by the Ring Mistresses. They are then put through a rigorous training regimen to achieve their Herculean physique and are sealed in their helmets.

CoH is a smorgasbord of BDSM.

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Honestly, I figured there were probably more, but my brain could not conjure them up. And Strongmen also have whip marks on their backs if I'm not mistaken.

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They are criss-crossed with scars all over, which are most definitely NOT whip marks.

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Where the hell were you when Silver Mantis was added into the game?

Yeah, didn't think so. Grow up.

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Oh hey, I forgot about her. So Domi's not the only one.

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I take it you never read the bio on Bronze Strongmen.

The Strongmen of the Carnival of Shadows are capable of amazing feats of strength. The Bronze Strongmen are recruited for their potential and are dominated by the Ring Mistresses. They are then put through a rigorous training regimen to achieve their Herculean physique and are sealed in their helmets.

CoH is a smorgasbord of BDSM.

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Erm, in that case it's psychically dominated (mind controlled), not whips and chains dominated.

But yeah, there's plenty of (very) mainstream BDSM kitsch in CoX.

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Why should there be any differing standard of dress for men v. women anyway

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Cuz girls look good in little black dresses and men (generally) do not?

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(other than taking into account the mammary glands,

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I always take those into account! Woo!

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which, by the way, women have the civil liberty to expose for breast feeding; and in some districts, the right to expose anytime since men can go shirtless if they want... equal protection under the law and all that)?

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I approve of, nay, encourage this trend of breast-baring. Especially when I'm around.

/e leers

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if you have COSTUME SLOTS that look like men and some COSTUME SLOTS that look like females that is called drag.

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I finally figured out why this guy has this hangup that this is "crossdressing". It's because he's stuck on the term "Costume Slots". He's taking that term literally to have in-game reality or something.

Because it has the word "Costume" in it, he's assuming it's an outfit the character puts on. Apparently he then assumes that slot 0 is the "real" gender of the 'toon and if you switch, then you're "putting on" a costume that "looks like" another gender. He is unable to conceive that a costume slot is anything but exactly that: an outfit worn by the Character in Costume Slot 0.

If the devs had called them "Character Incarnations" instead of "Costume Slots", apparently he'd have no issue. He's just stuck on the word "Costume"!

Well that's one mystery solved. It still doesn't explain the whole Bugs Bunny Paradox however.

PS: how often does one get to use a phrase like "Bugs Bunny Paradox"?

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Cross-dressing would be males wearing female clothes, or vice-versa. Since gender-specific costume pieces are not being ported to other genders, this will not be any different than it always has been. Your male costume slots will wear the clothing that has always been available to male characters, and your female costume slots will wear the clothing that has always been available to female characters. As has been explained numerous times already.

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And yet you keep missing my point. Most real ppl that do drag. look like real woman yet they are men and vice versa.

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Ah but that is where you are confused. Let me help. You might want to sit down. See, the characters in the game are not actually real people. I know, that might be a shock to you.

Now, what we have is a costume creator that we can pick a male model for our characters or a female model for our characters. The superbooster allows you to change that model. It's not going to look like the same character in drag. It will look like, and in fact be, an entirely different character model: everything is different. Right down to bone structure and muscles, everything.

Because the character isn't just changing "costumes" in this case. That term is a bit misleading here. They are, in fact, changing forms.

For instance, if someone played an alien shapeshifter who has no gender at all, but could take the shape of a male or a female at will, that's not crossdressing now is it? It's shape-shifting.

And that's really whats happening here. The characters aren't changing to LOOK like another gender. They are changing INTO that gender with the power of Super-Science!

I hope that clears things up for you but I'm not holding my breath.

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if you have COSTUME SLOTS that look like men and some COSTUME SLOTS that look like females that is called drag.

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You're hung up on the term "costume slots". The word "costume" means something much more expansive in this game than "articles of clothing". If, for example, you have a character like I do who has one slot with a human form and another slot with a reptile form, the character is changing INTO the reptile. He's not putting on a reptile mask. He's not a man dressed as a reptile when I choose that slot. He IS a reptile: there's no mask.

This is the same case here. "Costume" should be interpreted to mean "everything about the in-game avatar's appearance" rather than "gimmicky clothes"

Think about it this way: if they are all "just" costumes, then your first slot, the one you enter the game with, is also "just a costume" too, and any female character, with only one costume slot MIGHT be a man who looks like a girl and is cross dressing with NO additional costumes. Because slot 0 is just a costume too. So who KNOWS what's under there?

*sniffs* Do I smell smoke?

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and is inappropriate for minors. Thous the clubs that have drag are all 18 ad old making this game have an adult theme with an adult rating. what part of that dont you get?

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Again, when Bugs Bunny wore drag (see the links provided previously), on a CHILDREN'S TV SHOW, was that inappropriate for minors? And if so, how was it no one caught it in 50 years?

Please answer this.

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ppl are getting confused between cross dressing and transgenders. If you have 5 COSTUME slots and 3 are 2 and 2 female thats cross dressing not transgender but if they made it so if you change your gender and all slots are gender changed . that is transgender. there is a difference. i never once said i had prob with it. I said that allowing cross dressing in a game that kids play is a bit concerning.

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How is it not transgender? The character changes from a male to a female and back again. It's trans-transgender! It's not possible to do that in the real world, but neither is it possible to shoot lasers from your eyes or blast energy from your hands or run at 90mph.

Still not sure what your hangup is about this issue.

Also please answer the Bugs Bunny Question. Kthnx

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To thous that are getting upset about lack of tolerance. i could say the same to how they have acted in my believe.

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Yes, they should be more tolerant of your intolerance.

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Also its not just me but society has a whole shuns cross dressing. like it or not but im not the minority but the majority in society. Case in point why do they have drag on jerry springer and muary show? For are entertainment. they are both laughed at and made fun of. why? cause its not socially acceptable. Just cause you dont share my believe doesnt mean the majority of society dont.

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I find the fact that you consider things like Springer and Maury to be reflective of the majority of society mildly alarming.

Ok more than mildly.

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So again i ask for a dev to chim in and clerfy things or change it so that you cant change each costume to be a male female but to change all your slots to male female.

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Clarify what? Obviously it will be a per costume basis. Changing all costume slots simultaneously would be functionally impossible and would ruin the entire point of the SuperTailor to begin with (having different body types per costume). If for some reason that causes your ganglion to have a fit, then I'm sorry for you.

Well, no, I'm actually not sorry FOR you. But "sorry" and "you" are definitely still part of the sentiment.

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What's the rating of that story where the wolf dresses up like a woman to chat with little girls?

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The same rating as those episodes of Looney Tunes where Bugs crossdresses to fool Elmer Fudd.

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Darn, you beat me to it.

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Stare into the face of evil.

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To the OP: Do you consider these Looney Tunes cartoons to be rated "M"? I am sincerely curious. I'm still trying to understand where the heck you're coming from on this and it honestly completely eludes me.

So please answer, does Bugs Bunny dressing up as a girl bunny and pretending to be a girl warrant an "M" rating? Why or why not? Please reply.

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I plan to put on my mini skirt, tighten up my thigh boots, put on a little rouge, cause guys like that

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So... what you're saying is you're Going Rouge?

(I'm sorry. I'm so, so sorry)

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This might be the dumbest thread I have ever read.

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Ok I lol'd

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There is NEVER a POINT in this game, that you are forced to team.

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Unless you want to run a task force. Maybe you can run it solo, but you need a team to start it

(Yes, I know what you meant)

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drunk Scotsman may come to blows over the matter

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You can put this sentence into any discussion, anywhere, at any time and it would be just as true.

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So ppl that do drag arnt cross dressing either???

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Um... what?

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You missed the Muary show example.

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No, I've never seen the "Muary Show". I certainly have not missed it at all.

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just cause you are a male dont mean you can look very much like a female.

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But you cannot instantly change your weight, height, musculature, facial features, and bone structure. At all, much less instantly. The game lets someone change their cartoon character into a different cartoon character of another gender. It does not let them make a male character look like a girl. It does, however, let them make it look really really stupid which is a far greater concern.

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This is why i suggested if you allow to gender bend it would apply to all character slots not just the ones you choose. Thous making this whole argument or debate invalid.

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What's your issue anyways? Were you molested by a cross dresser or something? Did your wife run off with a girl who was really a guy in drag? What?

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Adults wearing the clothing of the opposite sex is not inherently sexual. It's not the action, it's the CONTEXT.

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This is true. For Jack Lemmon and Tony Curtis it was pure comedy:

http://l.yimg.com/eb/ymv/us/img/hv/photo...ack_lemmon1.jpg

As it was for Tom Hanks and Peter Scolari in Bosom Buddies
http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/i...08/bosom_l.jpg

And who could forget Eric Idle and Robbie Coltraine in Nuns on the Run (no matter how much they try)?
http://www.impawards.com/1990/poster...on_the_run.jpg

Clearly cross-dressing itself is not considered "mature". Even if it was in the game. Which it isn't.