Smooth_Operator

Both of them are fine.

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@Smooth Operator (Blaster)
@Sayia (Scrapper)
@Flush (Scrapper/Empath)

So whos intrested? I was planning to do this next sunday (8.10.2006) starting from 12pm GMT.

Full team is needed to start the TF but not to finish it. I don't mind if you just want to log for the final AV but I would like to have 2-3 other people to run the missions with me.

Estimated completion time 5 hours. Could take much longer if people keep taking long pauses.

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You know Sechs...you will have to form actual words before I can understand what you are trying to say.

Hello

This is one of the saddest days in CoH for me. I have finally decided that it is time to pass on the Sanity Inc. Most of us fled to that (cursed!) WoW and whats left is not that active either. We have a pretty decent base and I hate to see it go waste.

So heres the deal. If you feel that you could make Sanity Inc shine once more give me a tell or even better write me a short email. I would prefer veteran players as new SG leaders but I'm willing to reconsider if someone nice enough comes along.

So if you are intrested give me a tell and I'll give you a tour in our base and we can discuss in more detail how you and I would like to handle this.

And if someone from Sanity Inc is reading this... it's your last change to say something.

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We'll have no trouble, here.

Is TG a tail or a no-tail? I just can't tell these days, Smooth.

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Tough question Wilfy ol' chap but I'm sure he'll make an wonderfull husband... or wife... it is indeed hard to tell these days.

TG and X.... just one thing. Bugger off! Go back to WoW! This is a local game for the local people. We don't need you here!

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I mean how long can people bear a grudge for in a game?

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It is very rare when people get cured from stupidity. All my resent encounters with the person in question seem to indicate that this is not the case this time either.

I'm there

Rain lvl 50 nrg/nrg blaster

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It's quite clear you're not a selfish [censored], as you are actually trying to help - even if you don't want to admit you are

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You will NOT tell that to anyone!

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...but I genuinely want to try and help people - whether they're faceless or not...

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And I respect you for that. World needs people like you no doubt about it but still... thats not me and I don't feel any need to act that way or show empathy even if I have it. I'm perfectly happy being the selfish little ******* that I am and I don't feel even remotely guilty laughing at your misfortune if you happen to have some.

I do really really hope that world could be a little better place for all of us, but the change will have to start from me. For now I'm consentrating to make MY world better place to be and because I am a small minded man there is not room for everyone. Maybe I will still grow and some day I will be a bigger man and I can include everyon in my world... maybe but it's not today.

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I think (correct me if I'm wrong) you're trying to tell these people to be the bigger man, and not let the idiots get to them - which is well and good, but if phrased incorrectly, such as "handing out spines" isn't going to make anyone look good. We might not exist to you, but we do exist. If this thread had taken place on TS, would you feel differently? I can't believe you're a bad person, and it seems a little strange to me that someone who doesn't acknowledge strangers' existances would choose to play an MMO. But, it's your choice, your views and I can't argue them

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Yes thats what I am telling and what comes to my phrasing... well I'm not here to look good or to ask your approval. I used that phrase because it happened to sound funny to me at the moment.

I know you exist (or shall we get philosophical and ask that do you exist if I am not there to observe you or maybe I should run a Turning test to find out if you all are just some gigantic internet AI?!!?) but as I said before I don't have room for everyone. This thread could have never taken place in TS because English is not my native language and my spoken English is somewhat poorer but no I wouldn't feel any different. It still wouldn't change the fact that you are all blobs.

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It's being able to tell the difference between right and wrong, and stop yourself from shooting little Jimmy in the back, that matters - not whether or not you considered shooting little Jimmy in the back (unless you're mentally unstable).

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Dum dum dum... and around we go. Right and wrong? Who decides? Whos "Right" is The Righ Way? You or you as part of majority cannot create rules for me. You can how ever influence my thoughts and maybe I take your rules in consideration when I create the rule set that I live by.

Second. I don't like the mentally unstability reference. Who decides where lies the thin line of sanity and insanity? Majority? Well many of us still seem to think that homosexuality is a mental thing and can be cured by psychiatry or some infernal plan from satan to corrupt human kind from where you can only safe by joining a church. Individuals? Not much better seeing we invented psychiatry and religions.

Before I go on lets clarify one thing. To me real life and internet life are totally different things. In here you can be as strong as you want and create how ever amazing image of yourself you want. To me people here don't carry much weight. I like to think all of you as some imaginary blobs that spurt lines random text. Some of it I find intresting some of it I just disregard. And when I close my computer you all cease to exist. Considering this my answers to real life scenario and one in the internet will probably have two different answers.

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Smooth, if you were an outsider to a situation where the bully could change, would you still tell the victim to suck it up?

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But to your question... No I would never tell him to "suck it up". But theres different kinds of "sucking". I would never give an advice to anyone to surrender but it is important to recognice the fights you can and cannot win. It is futile to try to explain some 12 old kid (or to me) that what he is doing is griefing. The chances that you can change that behaviour are next to zero. Of course if you want to try to change that I will bow to your direction but don't come here crying if it's not working the way you planned.

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Saying that though, I don't believe violence is in everyone's nature. You might want to smack someone, but stopping yourself from going through with it shows you're not a violent person. I've punched walls, pillows, doors (broke my middle finger once)...but never a person. Does that mean I have violent tendencies towards inanimate objects?

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Don't you see? You said it yourself. It IS in our nature to WANT to act on our raw impulses. That is our nature. The so called "monkey within" but we grow in a society that sets limits to these impulses so that the community as whole could work. We have a will and we usually use that to control the monkey but as soon as the limits of the community starts to fade the monkey starts to raise its head. Those limits are pretty vague in the internet.

We as humans are torn between individuality and social beings. We take the everyday rules from the world around us and we have a great need to belong to a group but we still feel the urge to stand out as individuals. Easiest way to spread out the gospel of your individuality is to become The Loud Guy. Many times The Loud Guy doesn't realize that what he is doing is actually fear of not belonging. When The Loud Guy at some point finds out what hes place in the society he usually calms down.

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Confindence is hard to get these days, due to the media/general opinion etc

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And to that I can only say that I agree and that it is really sad. But is it my duty to hand out extra spines? I might help my friends but some weird blobs in my computer? Nah. [censored] it and suck it up.

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this still doesnt quite explain why when the worst of it happens (or used to happen), people would sooner support the dude who was causing a racket and hounding someone constantly, than just simply tell him to [censored].

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That would be the other and probably the bigger reason why some of us become bullies. Fear. We are too afraid to oppose The Loud Guy. It is easier to agree than to form your own ideas and stand behind them. If I'm too lazy to do those The Loud Guy might pick me as hes new target next. So its safer to stand behind him and kiss [censored]. This doesn't give very nice picture of us as humans. Sadistic, selfish, brutal and now lazy cowards too.

We have a will yes and thats a great thing. I am firm believer of a human will too and as such it is really sad to see how few of us actually use it.

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I do not live in denial at all, I just take no satisfaction from other peoples suffering and no matter how you argue otherwise, if you do, there is something wrong with you.

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Thats why I said blind self denial. In my opinion people fail to see that they are living in self denial. This is of course generalization and I don't say that you are living in it. You simply have a different view of things.

Yet again I have failed to explain my point. It is not like I run around ruining everyones day just because I can although rubbiing your loss in your face is fun. I have to use examples to make things more clear. Maybe I am using wrong ones? I will get better. Maybe next time I can make a valid point.

I'll try to say it one more time. These "why why why people are bad" threads are full of hypochricy and double standards and why people fail to see them is beyond me.

I don't care if people try to grief me in GAME and if that is how they get their kicks it's fine by me. It really is. We all have our subjective wievs what is fun and your fun is not nececcarily my fun and your fun is not any worse than my fun or other way around.

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Coming on and ruining someone elses play is not and never will be 'fun' in my book and I will never do something just because I can and it makes me feel good.

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But it is in mine and it makes me feel good.

I don't think I have that narrow view of society. I have seen quite a lot of it. I just think that most it live in blind self denial.

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Anyway, props to Smooth_Operator. Being a nice person is not about having no bad impulses, it's about not acting on them. We're born with selfishness and cruelty, empathy is something we learn as we go.

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That is exactly how it goes but the problem lies how our morals differ from each others. What is wrong to you might not be wrong to me. What is wrong to the majority might still not be wrong to me. And just because you happen to belong to the majority will not give you right to tell me how to live my life and if you do you are being violent towards me and showing no respect towards my way of life. You cannot judge minorities and tell them their behaviour is "bad" without risking becoming the bully towards them.

If for me it's ok to be a bit ruthless when I am pursuing my goals and if I happen to hurt some one doing that does it automatically make my behaviour bad? Is my own good automatically at lower priority than the well being of others?

It really pisses me off to see all this double morality. It's so easy to raise yourself above others and start passing the word of god to others while at the same time you don't realise that you have created the devil and it's lurking right behind you.

If I jump on your body in a silly online video game does it make me "bad"? Sure you can experience some bad feelings but am I BAD? The amusement value of your discomfort overrides the moral standard that I have for "bad" so I disregard the small amount of guilt and just enjoy your humiliation.

For you it is bad. For me it is not. Who decides? Me? You? Majority? God? My answer is ME. Because I am the only one who knows if I am acting bad because I am the only one who knows the rules I live by.

I liked that "Passion" quote even though I don't know where it was from. Sounds something like the Devil would say.

What we are talking about here is PvP in a GAME! It's all about competition. Competition creates passion and passion leads to hell and maaan I can tell you that we are ALL GOING TO HELL!

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Violence, be that mental or physical, is in our nature.

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No, No, No, NO.

It really really isn't. If it's in yours, then you're just as bad as the bullies out there - in fact from your posts I'd say you are one.

Not everyone thinks like you, and embracing being violent because it's human nature as opposed to empathy shows what a real [censored] you are.

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Can you honestly say that you havent EVER made something petty and selfish just because you could? Maybe pushed your little sister or screamed at your parents. If you answer that "no" let me ask this. Have you ever had to resist the temptation of doing something that could be defined as violent. If you still answer "no" let me be the first one to kneel before your holiness.

Thats what I meant with fighting fire with fire. I hate when people fail to see the bad things in themselves. "Oh I'm holier than thou" and at the same time they fail to see how they are just as bad as the thing they are fighting.

You can think me as bully if you like. I know I'm not. Then again the definitions differ with every person. And what comes to embracing the violence. I dont. I accept it and use it when nececcary. I don't pretend that I'm above violence. By accepting it I don't have to fight it and that gives me freedom to choose how I act without any annoying expectations from own morality or the one that society enforces on me.

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Why the HELL is it nessecary to insult and disrespect people you don't know? Why do people HAVE TO BE [donkey]holes to human beings? I got one answer, and that goes for the people who acts like this, and the people that supports that behaviour and everyone who tolerates it. LACK OF SELFDIGNITY. If you have an ounce of it, you don't HAVE to insult others. If you got a pinkie-sized amount of it you don't need to ground people into the muck of your own brain.

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I would like to think that I have selfdignity. I'm quite proud what I have achieved in my life. I have friends who I treat with respect and I'm basically pretty nice guy but I still find it highly amusing to jump on your dead body just to [censored] you off.

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There is no excuse whatsoever to act like a [donkey]hole, and especially not to strangers. Also, supporting or just plain tolerating it is no better. Not at all, it just deepens the frustration of the victims. It's not all fun and games when people bully and harrass others, and just because it's over the internet doesn't make it any better. There is still human beings on the recieving end.

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But it is different. In real life you may have very limited ways to avoid those bullying people. On the internet other hand... just ignore. And about being a victim. Some are that some make themselves that. Which one are you in here?

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There is no excuse whatsoever to act like a [donkey]hole, and especially not to strangers. Also, supporting or just plain tolerating it is no better. Not at all, it just deepens the frustration of the victims. It's not all fun and games when people bully and harrass others, and just because it's over the internet doesn't make it any better. There is still human beings on the recieving end.

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You seem to forget our sadistic nature. I like making you scream and bang your head on the keyboard because world is such an horrible place. If bullying wasnt "fun" no one would be doing it. Weeelll some people bully out of fear but thats another story.

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Why is it always seen as a weakness to be nice to other people? Why is it the [donkey]holes who are always seen as the strong ones? And like Stasis said, why is it the people who are nice to others and generally doesn't do anything wrong who has to change their ways?? OMG! IT'S ALL GONE TO TEH AMERICANS! (at least it will if it's always the nice people who has to adapt to the [donkey]holes)

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Why why why? Because it is. It's a dog eat dog world out there and if I'm the bigger dog then you will get eaten.

As I said before. Asking "why" and complaining about bad behaviour is useless. It's the way we are. If I can do something I might do it just because I CAN. These posts wont make the "bullys" change their ways. The only way world or any place we are is going to change is through example.

Fight fire with fire? It will only feed the fire. Violence, be that mental or physical, is in our nature. Everyone will have to learn to live with that. You either submit to it or use it. Of course you could try to act like a Mother theresa but if you find plaing living hard playing a saint will be a pain.

If you want to make a difference make it through your example. Be nice, be tolerant but don't expect it to work instantly or at all.

In the mean time... I'll keep jumping on your body and imagining you choking on your glass of milk.

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A large part of the MMO community, do care what is said to them in game, and this provokes an emotional response.

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A large part of the MMO community should lighten up a bit then.

Why would you get too offended by people who don't know you at all? The "game" you is not the "real" you. The reason why people say stupid things in the internet is Anonymity. Same Anonymity should protect you too from assaults to your person.

Why people complain about bad behaviour never ceases to amaze me. We are human. We are petty, self centered, selfish little *******'s. Give us Anonymity and the bubble breaks. Little Freudian Id comes crawling out and starts living up to all those dark desires and that will always be the case.

Complaining about these things is pointless because you are only stating the facts. Want a change? Start from yourself and do not expect everyone else to follow.

And if the "game" you is the "real" you, you should really consider taking a break from the game and get some real life. Go to pub. Have some drinks. Pick a partner. Have some...

Have no fear! You ain't heard the last of us yet! We will be back. Just a temporary set back and basically our first SG team fight so theres lots to improve. I'm sure we'll get better!

Oh... and GA is waaayy too slow in open pvp maps. Your not going to see that one again. Luckily I have plenty of high lvl toons to choose from

We can put together a team of at least four ppl. We'll be there. Lets say Galaxy City Arena

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Is the fight on tomorrow?

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i cant make it getting rdy to go to bloody army training and running around with work and papers.So irl has caught up.

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We will have to do without TG then. I will ask today whos up for the fight from those who have already told me that they will come and let you know whats happening. I'll come alone if thats what it takes.

Happens to me all the time

Still here.

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Who is this "Jag" bloke anyway?
Does he really exist?
I heard that he is just a myth, a story you scare your kids with: "Dont be naughty or the JAG will get you while you sleep"

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Jag DID get me while I was in sleep! Imagine waking up and see... *sob*

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Did it involve a pig?

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Jag is my lil Miss Piggy

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Who is this "Jag" bloke anyway?
Does he really exist?
I heard that he is just a myth, a story you scare your kids with: "Dont be naughty or the JAG will get you while you sleep"

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Jag DID get me while I was in sleep! Imagine waking up and see... *sob*