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What was that?

You don't want to listen to the answer so why go through it again.

Unless your are speaking for the devs or you are aware of the actual design docs, you don't know that is how its SUPPOSED to work. If you do and have that knowledge, then I clearly don't get it and you have surely corrected my misunderstanding of the system. I will post no more and leave my idea out there to continue to be ripped to shreds for breaking the system.

Maybe what I've been discussing can be considered a work around and that is not supposed to happen. Then I would suggest they fix this. Fill the hole and correct this ability to somehow do other people's alignment missions if you've already done your 5 or its not your desired alignment. Now that would make teaming really fun. I can't play with you guys, I've already done my 5 alignment missions, see you when your done. Do you want that as a penalty? That would definitely fill this glaring hole that I seem to keep wanting to make even more unbalanced,but you are happy with it working as intended. You seem very intent on the system imposing penalties.

And for some reason you don't have a problem with the ability to decide not to change alignments after you've done the Morality Mission. Why would they let you do that? Based on your understanding the system is supposed to make you accept whatever alignment you've worked so hard to do. This is no different than your other arguments saying its working as intended and imposes some penalty.

Signed: Still not getting it.

My idea unbalances NOTHING. It works that way today. You can do any number of non-alignment missions after you work on your own alignment. There is no penalty and no extra rewards involved. And that is how it works today.

I have put out a suggestion to allow for having the same effect except you now have the option to do any number of those missions before you decide to enable accruing your own alignment missions. Its a QoL enhancement for the convenience of teaming.

And if the system stays the same that's fine too, because you can still do what I have been saying all along, except it requires you to do it in a specific order. So if you and others continue to say its working as intended, then in all reality, you have no issue with my suggestion because it really has no negative effects on play.

I'm not arguing. You've already agreed with me, so there is no argument apparently. I guess we've been saying the same thing all along.

I'm requesting something that enhances how it is already working as intended.

So then you are happy with the fact that you can do any number of other-alignment missions (as long as you do yours first) with no penalties and no special rewards associated? That seems to have been the issue you and Claws took with my suggestion that it would in some way change the system as it works today. It does not.

If you are ok with that, then there is nothing wrong with my suggestion of allowing someone to choose to do that in a different order. That's my suggestion for this QoL enhancement. Will it be considered, I don't know. It still doesn't have the negative effects you folks seem to think it has, and I continue to stand by it as a legitimate suggestion as there has yet to be any negative implications.

Well if you realize it or not, you are "happy with the way it works", and it works exactly the way you keep fighting me on. You can do everything I propose today, just in a specific order. Do your alignments and then as many as you can do with your friends with no "penalty". Out of convenience someone may want to opt to do their missions at their own time, so turn off accruing them until ready, that's all I'm suggesting.

You guys keep saying I'm trying to undermine an as-intended design, yet if the way you continue to think it works is not flawed, take another look. You should be suggesting they fix the "hole" in the system that you think that I'm trying to create...its there. IT'S ALREADY THERE. So maybe it needs to be corrected a different way based on what you continue to battle me on.

But if in the end its all pointless and the devs don't listen, then let it go. I put out something that can be a legitimate QoL enhancement to the way the system already works...not breaking the current design or circumventing anything that is already working as is.

2 days is still a long time and putting that off the time it takes to run with your friends on a different alignment is still a penalty. And seriously..2 days is a LONG time. Especially if you don't even get through all 5 tips for the day.

Also, how does this circumvent anything...all of what you are saying is circumvented today if you do your alignment first and then run as many other alignment missions as you want with your friends (which will count toward nothing if you've done your 5 missions for the day). So what is the difference if you have an option that lets you do that part first and then do your own alignment. There is a flaw in what you are saying because you can still do all of that today, just in a specific order. So what I am proposing is a convenience that you don't have to do your alignment first. You keep claiming I'm changing the system...but it works that way today and it works differently than you seem to understand it to be working. There's no penalty today if I were to do my alignments first and then do someone else's after that.

Its still a legitimate solution and doesn't fundamentally change anything in how it works today except an option of the order in which it must be done.

Lets assume this is a problem...just for the sake of the discussion. Pretend you actually think its a problem, what would be a possible solution? Because that's where I'd like to get to. This is suggestions and ideas after all.

Yes its working as intended as most things have in the past...but there are things that get changed as well over time.

Its a solution, if its implemented I'm fine with it. It will help some people out (I'm not one of them). If it doesn't, I'm fine with that too, but again, thanks for the very constructive criticism that always seems to be given to people's ideas on here.

Its so much easier to snipe a proposal than actual come up with one.

To continue to think its not a problem obviously isn't true if people are discussing it, otherwise we wouldn't even be doing this right now.

I'm so glad mine and a few others opinions doesn't matter...that's a really great comment. Thanks, I guess I'm done then. Thanks for that fantastic realization I've completely wasted my time...and apparently yours because you had to respond to it.

Again. I was proposing an idea. I never said I don't like how it works. I'm fine with it. I was addressing a problem with a solution. You just seem to want to argue about rewards.

From your previous comments however, it seems you don't like the system. Based on your real world examples you don't' think it should be possible to decide to not take the morality you've just spent working toward...yet the system allows you to do that. My idea was based on the fact that this is already possible and just moving the same option to the individual alignment missions.

My idea also still penalizes you because you are still not getting any credit toward your alignment as your are opting out of them until you run your own. True, it is not as large a penalty. It may be a few hours vs. 20 hours for the notoriety to wear off.

BTW, I'm not PISSED, just disappointed with the responses I get that aren't constructive to a legitimate idea. There's a reason I haven't posted much in the 7 years I've been on this game (yes Pre-Beta, don't go by my board date), but this thread obviously caught my attention.

I know..I must be a whiner because I can't take a criticism...but it isn't constructive and also didn't address what I was trying to provide, which was a proposed solution to the ongoing discussion.

Please stop pushing the rewards thing. I am not arguing for rewards. Everyone seems entrenched on that.

All I was suggesting was the ability to have the 5 missions a day be toggled on/off or an option a the end of mish. This has NO IMPACT ON REWARDS. It will force you to do more missions to get to your rewards.

And like I said you can come at it with all the real world complaints like Claws has, but in the end you can opt out of your morality selection after you've run 10 missions and the morality mish.

Today, you can turn off xp so you don't outlevel content. Then why not turn off accruing the alignment missions?

So please if you are going to respond to my idea, STOP INCLUDING REWARDS AS PART OF THE GRIPE. I'm just trying to propose a solution (game-wise) that would allow the OP to play with friends who may be a different alignment (get no special treatment or rewards OR accrue his alignment) until he runs his own missions and opts to get credit for them.

Umm..thanks for reading my whole post. You obviously didn't see the example I illustrated about opting out of morality choice at the end of the mission.

I think you need to petition the Devs to stop allowing you to make a decision at the end of the Morality mission. I can be a vigilante doing hero missions, run the morality mission for just the xp and at the end...stay a vigilante.

Since this is already in the game, you can give all the real world explanations as you have, but its already there. So for the sake of consistency then, morality missions should force you to the alignment you just ran. OR it gets changed as I suggested above. But based on what you said, one would need to be changed.

Based on your POINT, this is a far worse situation than opting out of the individual missions which would just make teaming (based on the OPs original complaint) much easier.

Its a game...there a plenty of things here that are done for the sake of the game...sorry if it isn't all cut and dry.