Shubbie

Hide people behind anonymity and they will sell people out very quickly for reward.

I dont know who was at fault here the leader or the players, but this trial seems to be causing a bit more than the usual amount of tension around.

I play on virtue, freedom and justice.

This particular incident was on virtue, someone started up a full, he came back a bit later yelling that about 8 people had left right after the 250, I wasnt on that trial so I dont know the exact details.

I wouldnt call this stupidity, its selfishness.....their own benefits override anyone else's.

99.999999999% of mmo players are selfish to the extreme, The devs know this, they arent new developers, they know players will hose over 23 other people for the smallest reward.

This isnt exageration, you know this as well as I do, that players are incredibly selfish and will act like this with the slightest provocation.

I also think there is no way they can justify a farm nerf without a nerf to tyrant too.

actually let me clarify this.
if he wasnt clear it was a full and not a farm, thats stupidity on the leaders part
If he was clear and people just left anyway, thats selfishness.

I had just come back from my own farm a short bit ago and was talking with a friend so I just saw the aftermath.

Not really.. currencies are collected and spent and keeping track of them gets confusing.

different experience is earned and is then invisible.


It actually is very different and works much better.

Too many currencies, they dont want to add more currencies.

They are probably going to require at least one success or something like that to unlock the next slot though.

Im expecting something like this, thats why Im farming all my characters now.

It wont happen before tuesday.

farm now or pay later.

If this happens first of all players will SCREAM bloody murder, and they will still fail.

Though honestly I dont see this happening without a major major nerf to Tyrant.

Hyperbole does not always mean troll...

Hyperbole can be very effective if used correctly.

No just missed that part.

It still doesnt mean anything.

Ive failed every group ive been on, never was leader, was with different leaders.

Which either means one of two things both of which are bad.

A/ one person being terribble can mess an entire league.... I doubt its that bad, and I dindt do anything horribly wrong.

B/ pugs for the most part arent getting the hang of it for the most part.

How godly you or your pug is is irrelevant..... most pugs are failing.. to the point where people cant even launch full trials because 1/3 of the people are leaving after the 250.

oh now your just trolling me.

I never said it was impossible

Just the average run of the mill pug is going to fail much more than succeed and thats going to give the trial a bad rep and its just going to wind up being farmed for the first part and otherwise ignored by the general populace once all things settled down.

So all the stories about I did this trial with 20 blind people isnt going to change anything.

Trials scale, you know this, I dont know exactly what increment the scaling occurs, but I know a 13 person trial has about half the health of a 24, heck it might be easier.

BUt they know their players they have done this before.

If players fail because a few people dont follow instructions it gets a bad pug rap then never gets run.

Dont say this doesnt happen...

Keyes..... a few bad players could really mess this up before the nerf, so no one ran it, to the point they not only had to increase reward, they had to nerf it HARD too before anyone would run it.

Scaling and a regular group that plays together.

a 13 person team doesnt face the same thing a 24 person does.

Dont think so, any trial that cant be done by half the league doing it correctly is doomed to fail horribly in pugs.

PERIOD.

I get the feelings we will see occasional farms other than that the trial will dry up unless Tyrant gets nerf .

Tyrant is going to get nerfed so hard he is going to have a foam head.

Not the same.

This isnt any faster, easier or more fun than a lam or a baf?

So its never going to be run for components, so once the farming phase is over its going to the attic.

Also because players have gotten a bad taste in the mouth because of this, its not going to work.

The problem seems to be if even a few people are new, dont follow direction dont do everything perfect it falls apart quickly and you cant finish.

You have no room for error, no room to carry bads, disconects, new players, etc.

This means its always going to have a high failure rate even when people know what they are doing.

Sometimes volume can influence things reason cant.

My argument is reasonable, that the trial isnt fun and encourages the worst behavior in players.

But the devs wont listen to someting like this, so volume is going to be needed on this one. Lots of volume.

I dont remember seeing this with Baf, but I didnt start doing them till a week or two in, so that could be the reason.

Why would I stop, in general hyperbole and exagerated examples are much more effective at swaying people than rational arguments.

Rational arguments might work better on the devs, but on forum readers who are on the edge about an issue, trial disaster horror stories might make them start thinking, you know this trial isnt really that good.


Then before you know it, Tyrant gets his pants nerfed off, luckily he isnt sticking it in our face on the splash screen when they do.

Its too hard, its not fun and encourages aborting the trial early to maximize reward.

I never said it was impossible just very poorly designed and put together.

Classic developer tactic

If it's not beneficial to players push it live test it later...