Scheherazade

Hey there,

Just read about this superteam and rolled my Fire/Rad toon on Union - 'Thousand Suns'. I've costumed according to the original post and I'll be sure to hunt down the most recent build befor eI level much further.

My problem is I'm an Aussie with two small kids, so my play time is a little restricted... any other aussies out there who'd be up for teaming most nights?

Also, I've done a bind (I forget where it came up in the thread) for use on the Superteam channel - just level and toon name, like this:

"/bind ] beginchat /send "Superteam" [$level:$name] "

*EDIT* don't include the quotation marks at the start and end of the line, they are only there to show the trailing space ^_^

Include the trailing space at the end or not as you prefer, I just thought it might be handy for some - I promised Mad Mud I would post it.

Take care all and happy levelling... hopefully I make a worthy lackey soon.



@moroi

Okay, how about this build? Major changes:

* Went with Fire epic
* Added in Assault and Tactics
* Took Haste a lot earlier
* Six-slotted controls
* Added Hover in case IR drops mid leap and for knockback defense

And to be honest at the end of the build I was looking for things to do with spare slots...

See what you think:

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Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Controller
Primary: Fire Control
Secondary: Kinetics
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01) --> Char==> Acc(1) Acc(3) Hold(3) Hold(5) Rechg(5) Rechg(7)
01) --> Transfusion==> Acc(1) Heal(7) Heal(13) Heal(15) Acc(29) Rechg(40)
02) --> Siphon Power==> Acc(2) Rechg(31) Acc(45)
04) --> Fire Cages==> Acc(4) Acc(34) EndRdx(37) EndRdx(43) Immob(50)
06) --> Swift==> Run(6)
08) --> Hot Feet==> Dmg(8) Dmg(9) Dmg(9) EndRdx(11) EndRdx(11) EndRdx(34)
10) --> Siphon Speed==> Acc(10) Rechg(31) Rechg(31) Acc(45)
12) --> Flashfire==> Acc(12) Acc(13) DisDur(15) DisDur(17) Rechg(25) Rechg(29)
14) --> Hurdle==> Jump(14)
16) --> Hasten==> Rechg(16) Rechg(17) Rechg(25)
18) --> Cinders==> Acc(18) Acc(19) Hold(19) Hold(23) Rechg(27) Rechg(27)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(21)
22) --> Speed Boost==> EndMod(22) EndMod(23) EndMod(40)
24) --> Increase Density==> DmgRes(24)
26) --> Assault==> EndRdx(26) EndRdx(46)
28) --> Inertial Reduction==> Jump(28)
30) --> Tactics==> EndRdx(30) EndRdx(46)
32) --> Fire Imps==> Acc(32) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Acc(34) Rechg(50)
35) --> Transference==> Acc(35) Acc(36) EndMod(36) EndMod(36) Rechg(37) Rechg(37)
38) --> Fulcrum Shift==> Acc(38) Acc(39) Rechg(39) Rechg(39) Rechg(40) EndRdx(50)
41) --> Fire Ball==> Acc(41) Dmg(42) Dmg(42) Dmg(42) Rechg(43) Rechg(43)
44) --> Fire Shield==> DmgRes(44) DmgRes(45) DmgRes(46) EndRdx(48) EndRdx(48)
47) --> Hover==> DefBuf(47) Fly(48)
49) --> Fly==> Fly(49)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Containment==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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Nanomancer

Hmmm excellent points. I keep forgetting that as a Kineticist I need to be in melee.

Alright let me see if I can hash some things into this build... thanks again.


Nanomancer

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Not sure you need powers like Hibernate for a Fire/Kin since you are a very offensive toon (just run in there for a quick Transfusion/Transference).

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I figured on hibernate for a panic button in case things went really badly.

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- Fire Cages: mainly used for AoE containment (along with Flashfire) so no need to slot for Immob duration.
- Hot Feet: needs at least 2 EndRdx.
- Bonfire: I'm not a big fan of knockback as a method of control, but if you do want it, just slot 1 Rechg.


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My plan was to immob/smoke or cinders and then drop loads of bonfires for containment + DoT... of course if knockback overrides immob, that wont work. bonfire could also be useful as a pseudo-slick, knocking back mobs trying to melee.

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- I would recommend taking Assault/Tactics for kins to make sure your powers don't miss much (I would drop 2 of Bonfire, Smoke or ID to get them). If not, make sure you have 2 Acc on those that need a To Hit check.

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I considered leadership, but I always seem to find some annoying mob drops my toggles. I might give it a try though.

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Enjoy the carnage!

PS And if you're looking for "AoE control", you're better off with Earth or Ice. Fire is really for damage lovers .

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Mmm carnage... I should have said AoE control/AoE damage
I thought about ice, but I play an ice/ice dom and need a break from the ice visual/audio.

Thanks for your input, I might do a revised build and see what you think.


Nanomancer

Wow, very descriptive! I like the historical war background, and painting Vahzilok in there made it all the better.

Do we get a Chapter 2?


Nanomancer

Grats Liz!

One of the most helpful people I have met either in CoV or CoH, wish there were more like you around.

Heck, there probably are, just not in my Timezone



Nanomancer/@moroi

In my latest rash of 'alt-itis', I toyed with a build for Fire/Kin. It seemed to me that the DoT would be very useful, and having played an Illu/Rad to the low twenties I was looking for something with a little more AoE control.

My goal is to play this toon exclusively in PvE, preferably duoed or teamed.

However, I haven't played a Kinetics build before. So after reading up a little this is the build I came up with. I'm seeking any and all advice on power picks and slotting, since most of these powers are new to me.

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Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Controller
Primary: Fire Control
Secondary: Kinetics
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01) --> Char==> Acc(1) Rechg(3) Hold(7) Hold(11) Hold(13)
01) --> Transfusion==> Acc(1) Acc(7) Rechg(11) Heal(15) Heal(31)
02) --> Siphon Power==> Acc(2) Acc(3) Rechg(5) Rechg(15)
04) --> Fire Cages==> Acc(4) Acc(5) Immob(37) Immob(40) Immob(45)
06) --> Swift==> Run(6)
08) --> Hot Feet==> Dmg(8) Dmg(9) Dmg(9)
10) --> Siphon Speed==> Acc(10)
12) --> Smoke==> Acc(12) Acc(13) TH_DeBuf(46) TH_DeBuf(46)
14) --> Hurdle==> Jump(14)
16) --> Flashfire==> Acc(16) Acc(17) Rechg(17) Rechg(34) DisDur(40) DisDur(43)
18) --> Cinders==> Acc(18) Acc(19) Rechg(19) Rechg(29) Rechg(31) Hold(31)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(21)
22) --> Speed Boost==> EndMod(22) EndMod(23) EndMod(23)
24) --> Hasten==> Rechg(24) Rechg(25) Rechg(25)
26) --> Bonfire==> Rechg(26) Rechg(27) Dmg(27) Dmg(29) Dmg(45)
28) --> Inertial Reduction==> Jump(28)
30) --> Increase Density==> Rechg(30)
32) --> Fire Imps==> Acc(32) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Rechg(34) Rechg(34)
35) --> Transference==> Acc(35) Rechg(36) Rechg(36) EndMod(36) EndMod(37) EndMod(37)
38) --> Fulcrum Shift==> Acc(38) Acc(39) Rechg(39) Rechg(39) Rechg(40)
41) --> Hibernate==> Rechg(41) Rechg(42) Rechg(42) EndMod(42) EndMod(43) Heal(43)
44) --> Ice Blast==> Acc(44) Dmg(45) Dmg(46) Dmg(50)
47) --> Ice Storm==> Acc(47) Dmg(48) Dmg(48) Dmg(48) Rechg(50) Rechg(50)
49) --> Recall Friend==> Rechg(49)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Containment==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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My long term goal is to lock down mobs and lay ice storm/hot feet on them while my Imps and teammates go to town. Throw in a few Transference and a Fulcrum Shift and Robert's your father's brother.

* This is a post-respec build, I'd most likely take leaping pre-28 and respec it out with IR.


Nanomancer

Well I've certainly received a lot of good advice in a very short amount of time.

Hopefully this toon will provide me with a good tanking experience; I've had terrible ones so far, so didn't count them when I said new to tanking. I should have said "new to tanking *properly*".

Hopefully I'll soon be out there having fun tanking 8-person teams. Assuming any of you are awake! (Aussie timezone aura)

Cheers,


Nanomancer

Agreed, I just hate pushing back travel powers and stamina further than I have to.


Nanomancer

Hmmm took hasten earlier and left out weave... and left taunt til level 30?

*ponders*

What about this:

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Name: Pyrepower
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Fiery Aura
Secondary: Energy Melee
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01) --> Blazing Aura==> EndRdx(1) EndRdx(3) EndRdx(3) Taunt(9) Taunt(34) Dmg(43)
01) --> Barrage==> Acc(1)
02) --> Healing Flames==> Rechg(2) Rechg(9) Rechg(21) Heal(27) Heal(34) Heal(43)
04) --> Bone Smasher==> Acc(4) Rechg(5) Dmg(5) Dmg(7) Dmg(11) EndRdx(27)
06) --> Fire Shield==> EndRdx(6) DmgRes(7) DmgRes(11) DmgRes(15)
08) --> Combat Jumping==> DefBuf(8)
10) --> Taunt==> Rechg(10) Taunt(46)
12) --> Plasma Shield==> EndRdx(12) DmgRes(13) DmgRes(13) DmgRes(15)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14) Jump(46) Jump(46)
16) --> Consume==> Acc(16) Acc(17) Rechg(17) Rechg(19) EndMod(19) EndMod(21)
18) --> Hurdle==> Jump(18)
20) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(20)
22) --> Health==> Heal(22) Heal(23) Heal(23)
24) --> Stamina==> EndMod(24) EndMod(25) EndMod(25)
26) --> Boxing==> Acc(26)
28) --> Tough==> EndRdx(28) EndRdx(29) DmgRes(29) DmgRes(31) DmgRes(33)
30) --> Build Up==> Rechg(30) Rechg(31) Rechg(31) TH_Buf(34) TH_Buf(37) TH_Buf(40)
32) --> Hasten==> Rechg(32) Rechg(33) Rechg(33)
35) --> Energy Transfer==> Acc(35) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Rechg(37) EndRdx(37)
38) --> Total Focus==> Acc(38) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Rechg(40) EndRdx(40)
41) --> Focused Accuracy==> EndRdx(41) EndRdx(42) TH_Buf(42) TH_Buf(42) TH_Buf(43) EndRdx(45)
44) --> Fiery Embrace==> Rechg(44) Rechg(45) Rechg(45)
47) --> Weave==> EndRdx(47) EndRdx(48) DefBuf(48) DefBuf(48)
49) --> Whirling Hands==> Acc(49) Acc(50) Dmg(50) Dmg(50)
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Nanomancer

Well I redid the build, somewhere in there I lost plasma shield though... I could take it instead of whirl or laser, but that seems a little late in the build. Thoughts?

New build:

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Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Fiery Aura
Secondary: Energy Melee
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01) --> Blazing Aura==> EndRdx(1) EndRdx(3) EndRdx(9) Taunt(11) Taunt(15) Dmg(17)
01) --> Barrage==> Acc(1)
02) --> Healing Flames==> Heal(2) Heal(3) Heal(15) Rechg(25) Rechg(34) Rechg(43)
04) --> Bone Smasher==> Acc(4) Rechg(5) Dmg(5) Dmg(7) Dmg(17) DisDur(46)
06) --> Fire Shield==> EndRdx(6) DmgRes(7) DmgRes(11) DmgRes(31)
08) --> Consume==> Acc(8) Acc(9) Rechg(13) Rechg(21) EndMod(21) EndMod(25)
10) --> Taunt==> Taunt(10) Rechg(13) Range(46)
12) --> Combat Jumping==> DefBuf(12)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)
16) --> Hurdle==> Jump(16)
18) --> Health==> Heal(18) Heal(19) Heal(19)
20) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(20)
22) --> Stamina==> EndMod(22) EndMod(23) EndMod(23)
24) --> Boxing==> Acc(24)
26) --> Tough==> EndRdx(26) EndRdx(27) DmgRes(27) DmgRes(33) DmgRes(34)
28) --> Build Up==> Rechg(28) Rechg(29) Rechg(29) TH_Buf(34) TH_Buf(37) TH_Buf(40)
30) --> Hasten==> Rechg(30) Rechg(31) Rechg(31)
32) --> Fiery Embrace==> Rechg(32) Rechg(33) Rechg(33)
35) --> Energy Transfer==> Acc(35) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Rechg(37) EndRdx(37)
38) --> Total Focus==> Acc(38) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Rechg(40) EndRdx(40)
41) --> Focused Accuracy==> EndRdx(41) EndRdx(42) EndRdx(42) TH_Buf(42) TH_Buf(43) TH_Buf(43)
44) --> Weave==> EndRdx(44) EndRdx(45) DefBuf(45) DefBuf(45) DefBuf(46)
47) --> Whirling Hands==> Acc(47) Acc(48) Dmg(48) Dmg(48) Rechg(50) EndRdx(50)
49) --> Laser Beam Eyes==> Acc(49) DefDeBuf(50)
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Thanks for the input so far!




Nanomancer

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a fire tank without fiery embrace is a huge waste especially with energy secondary

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I thought it only affected fire attacks..?



Nanomancer

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You only need ACCs in Taunt if you're going to be doing PvP.

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Good point - I'm not a fan of PvP and forgot it auto-hits PvE.

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Take boxing instead of kick - you'll rarely use either, but boxing is faster and cheaper to use.

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Nod, I only took kick for the knockdown.

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Only need one "End Red" in Fire Shield and one or two in Tough. You don't need 3 end reds in Weave or Focused Acc either and you'll only want 1 in Acrobatics.

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Ah ok. Makes me wonder what I am going to do with all these spare slots.

[ QUOTE ]
6-slotting ROTP suggests that you're planning to die. Slotting it with recharges suggests that you're planning to die a lot. Neither is recommended.

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Funniest thing I have heard in a long time! Thankyou. Recommended slotting? Leave it out?



Nanomancer

I know, I agonized over leaving healing flames out... I was really struggling to get travel powers and stamina into a survivable build. Back to the drawing board I guess.

I originally left whirling hands out and took the whole kick-tough-weave-acrobatics route starting at 22. Would you recommend acrobatics at 20 followed by stamina at 22 and then the rest?

I was aiming at 0.2 or lower cost... what's a good level to have toggle costs at?

Thanks for your advice - *knew* I was making a mistake not taking a heal power.


Nanomancer

Hey there, long time lurker making my first build post - so please be gentle...

I went with leaping/fighting for extra def, energy mastery for added accuracy.

I'm looking for suggestions on slotting, power picks, and general tanking advice since I am very new at tanking.

I've never done a respec trial yet, so this is just a build from scratch after reading about various tanking pools/secondaries.

Left out:
energy punch - less attacks means more room for toggles
healing flames - hopefully there'll be a healer about
temperature protection - not enough room/slots
stun - less worried about disorient than toggles
burn - break frees are my friend
fiery embrace - not a /fire build

Left in:
consume/stamina/conserve - end worries
blazing aura/taunt/whirl - holding aggro
hasten - makes build up work more often (mmm...)
focused accuracy - I hate missing

I'm aware my slotting is probably rubbish, all I know is one acc for single target, two for AoE.

My goal as a tanker is to hold aggro and provide some DoT with a view towards laying the smackdown on bosses with Build Up + ET + TF later in the game.

So - here's the build!

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Name: Pyrepower
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Fiery Aura
Secondary: Energy Melee
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01) --> Blazing Aura==> EndRdx(1) EndRdx(3) EndRdx(7) Dmg(15) Dmg(17) Dmg(19)
01) --> Barrage==> Acc(1)
02) --> Fire Shield==> EndRdx(2) EndRdx(3) DmgRes(13) DmgRes(15) DmgRes(17)
04) --> Bone Smasher==> Acc(4) Rechg(5) Dmg(5) Dmg(7) Dmg(9)
06) --> Combat Jumping==> DefBuf(6)
08) --> Consume==> Acc(8) Acc(9) Rechg(11) Rechg(19) EndMod(23) EndMod(23)
10) --> Taunt==> Acc(10) Acc(11) Rechg(37)
12) --> Plasma Shield==> EndRdx(12) DmgRes(13) DmgRes(34) DmgRes(40)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)
16) --> Hurdle==> Jump(16)
18) --> Health==> Heal(18)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(21)
22) --> Whirling Hands==> Acc(22) Acc(25) Dmg(25) Dmg(31) Dmg(43) Rechg(43)
24) --> Kick==> Acc(24)
26) --> Tough==> EndRdx(26) EndRdx(27) EndRdx(27) DmgRes(31) DmgRes(31) DmgRes(42)
28) --> Build Up==> Rechg(28) Rechg(29) Rechg(29)
30) --> Hasten==> Rechg(30) Rechg(43) Rechg(46)
32) --> Rise of the Phoenix==> Rechg(32) Rechg(33) Heal(33) Heal(33) EndMod(34) EndMod(34)
35) --> Energy Transfer==> Acc(35) Rechg(36) Rechg(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(37) Dmg(37)
38) --> Total Focus==> Acc(38) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Rechg(40) Rechg(40)
41) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(41) Rechg(42) Rechg(42)
44) --> Focused Accuracy==> EndRdx(44) EndRdx(45) EndRdx(45) TH_Buf(45) TH_Buf(46) Rechg(46)
47) --> Weave==> EndRdx(47) EndRdx(48) EndRdx(48) DefBuf(48) DefBuf(50) DefBuf(50)
49) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(49) EndRdx(50)
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Gentle! GENTLE!




Nanomancer