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You know, as awesome as that would be, I think that I'd rather stay as is than get buffed and sequentially nerfed....

Hey guys, help me out here a sec, I'm obviously missing something...

1) I left before I7.
2) I came back after I7.
3) I played my scrapper just fine.

Anyone else see the missing step between 2 and 3? No? Okay then, I didn't respec! *Clearly* something is wrong! (Just... don't tell the devs that... )

So I reactivate CoX after spending many more months in WoW, and start a corrupter to play with a friend's Stone/Elec brute. I'm having a grand 'ole time... then I decide to log in my Scrapper and Tanker to make sure I get my aniversery badge.

I start marveling at how many buttons my scrapper has, then I inevitably lay my eyes on the "Headsplitter" key... it urged me, then pleaded... begged even that I use it... Okay fine, I'll go do some quick fights to use it. Oh right, I haven't been in Recluse's Victory yet, that'd be a good place to test it out!

I spot a lone corruptor sitting around. From my spot in the sky I descended upon him as silently as an owl. Buildup, Headsplitter. CRIT! Poor guy never even saw it comin!

This just reminded me why you never, never play a hugely SOed out character after playing one stuck with TOs. So much for my commitment for leveling that character. Hahah.


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The Regen Lounge

is now a global chat channel. Please feel free to join. Nonsense welcome, fights not. Nerf-herding will get you silenced.

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Just for my own future reference. I'll have to remember to join that if it's still in active use.

Hahah, those are excelent! I really laughed at the "Payback" one though. Too true!

CAVE BAD!!

My interpretation is that "spare some change for gas" while showing all the heals are going off is parralleling the hp bar with a gas meter... meaning they're gettin some hp/gas.

"Get myself away from this place" - They're in a cave... everyone hates the caves except people who are seeing it for the first time. As such, they want to get away from it (the cave).

The clip by the Back Alley Brawler I can't figure out either tho.

Well, Kinetics are a whole bag of awesome. Extra end regen, knock* protection, dmg buff, dmg debuff, end transfers. Once had a team of 3 scrappers and 2 controllers take down Seige like he was nothing. The Kinetic controller left and we tried it again (different person's mission)... he caused one team wipe.

While that team may be nigh unbeatable, I don't know if I'd have fun on it. Why? For one, very little "see what I did?" factor. Thats not to say I like showing off, but I like seeing my powers make a difference. On a team like that, theres so much control and buffs going on, that its not a big deal. Secondly... being that invincible is a lil boring truth be told. (I remember playing with a /Dev blaster before the Smoke Granades nerf. Could be quite a snooze-fest.)

Clearly, nerf regen!

Seriously though... thats down right disgusting. I think FF's dispersion bubble gives some status protection too, right? You wouldn't happen to have a demo or two of that team in action would you? Now you've really perked my intrest...

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Right now, 8 Controllers is the best team, period.

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Ya know, I never even considered that... but now that I do its sick! Def, res, tohit buffs, def debuffs, slows, dmg buffs, dmg debuffs, pets, control and containment?

Holy crap...

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Well, you also have to remember that defenders have less hp (let alone with DP running) than us, so they don't see the benefits first hand like we do. Its kinda like a regen scrapper vs a regen stalker. The stalker is freaking squishy.

Still, if I ever hear a defender say that... /shakes fist

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yeah, i know but i was shocked to read advice calling the power worthless. it's crazy. IH fully slotted is just around 50% of the sets healing capacity. A single empath can basically make an entire team of regens for 90s at a time and they don't get it.

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Oh, no doubt. I understand how freaking amazing that power is. Its the defenders who aren't getting it.


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also, tell you what, if you want to feel what it was like to be a regen in Issue 1 or 2, make friends with an empath. Regen Aura, Adrenaline Boost, IH all cycled for 1000% healing at a time, your other heals, the Empaths heals, it's like traveling back in time.

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Personally, I'd have to try out all 3 stacked to see how fast I could make my hp meter move. Hmm, fudging the numbers on a regen spreadsheet I created in I5, 3000% healing (RA, AB, IH) + FH, Int and Health would heal a scrapper from 0 to full in 6.71 seconds... Ahh, the good 'ol days...

Don't forget they can get Regen Aura at 26 as opposed to our 28. Not a big difference I know, but its there.

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the craziest part is that people actually advocate skipping regen aura on an Empath because it doens't really do anything.

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Well, you also have to remember that defenders have less hp (let alone with DP running) than us, so they don't see the benefits first hand like we do. Its kinda like a regen scrapper vs a regen stalker. The stalker is freaking squishy.

Still, if I ever hear a defender say that... /shakes fist

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base 500%
enhances to 100%

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Apart from this (guessing its a typo and you meant 1000%?), thats some interesting data... It'd sure make slotting IH for heals actually make a noticable differance. Having it up more often is a plus too.

Whats funny (sad?) is that Regen Aura is pbaoe too. Teammates can get Regen Aura more often than I can use IH. Blah.


[edit: Know what I'd like more than anything? For IH to have a 25-50% up front heal. I died several times yesterday duoing some AV - well, Elite Bosses now - just because I went from 50% to 0 in the time it took for IH before I could reap the regen bonus. We won't be getting that, but that would be just fantastic.]

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god forbid regen have a passive power or toggle that's freakin useful.

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Fixed.

Its only funny cause its true.

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Even Defenders are starting to fear Geko's name now after the vigilance thing. Can't wait to see what he does to them and us even more.

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Even so, Vigiliance wasn't a nerf. The power wasn't what you guys were hoping for, sure... but it didn't change your core abilities and how you operated. Regen? We've been slapped down so hard that we're not even a shadow of what we used to be...

Heck, someones saying that MoG has been nerfed. I swear, regen's taunt aura is 10x than any other AT/power set in the game when it comes to the nerf bat.

Well we're boogered. Looks like Regen is still the best secondary. Expect more nerfs in I6.

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you're gonna eat that [censored] sword one day.

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Having envy over the big sword is not the way to solve the problem. Rerolling a BS alt is!

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and for the first time in ages, no one's complaining about how vastly superior it is.

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That's because everyone else got slapped with a little bit of cosmic justice in I5, too. Once they get over their little boo-boos, they'll be back to state that Regen can single-handedly solo the Hamidon while eating a Taco Bell burrito at the same time.

All without dying, or contracting flesh-eating bacteria.

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I did that last night while in a different zone! Hamidon sent me a tell saying he was going to go cry on the CoV forums about us Regen Scrappers... damn Hamidon...

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Remember, Cocern = Small Tweak and "Happy with it now" = "Will be happier after another nerf."

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Ain't it the truth?

By the way, your icon rules Geratron. Transformers kicked butt back in the day.

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You know I just want to reiterate, that Regens KICK BUTT!!

Why?

Regens are always out to help each other. I just read the pre-release of Fanboy's DP guide, and I note that any newbie Scrapper can get a hand here.

I've tried several times to get help on my Controller on their boards without success. Regens take all the nerfs and still make a kick butt character.

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Thanks a lot EvilGeko, you just opened up a whole new way for regeners to get nerfed.

<ul type="square">[*]"It has come to our attention that the Scrapper secondary set, Regeneration, still has a healthy and strong community. Despite our best efforts, they're sticking together and coming up with ways to mitigate our nerfs, resulting in the need for more nerfs. As a result, any account with a Regeneration Scrapper has had their forum privledges revoked. This will ensure that they stop crunching numbers and just play the game. The Regen Lounge has been deleted... again."[/list]

Maybe I just haven't been around long enough (I've been playing on and off, not constantly like some posters), but I honestly don't see why regen would need (or recieve) another nerf. DA and Inv are both far sturdier than we are. We're very weak to alpha strikes now, unless we blow IH or MoG. I have to be very very careful in group situations or I die very fast.

If they do nerf QR... why? Regen isn't even an end expensive set as we only have a single toggle to run (Integration). I feel like I'm babbling, but you guys are projecting all these nerfs and I just don't understand 'why'. The set feels balanced to me. :|

I've decided this thread scares me... all these foul ideas on how to nerf our precious regen. Standing next to DA I already feel overshadowed (unless I'm in IH or MoG mode).

Ohh the good 'ole days. Even I4 ruled. One thing I will say is its a lot more exciting than it used to be.

Even I4 regen was damn tough. In I2 or I3 we could reach 1.5 to 2 times as much regen power as I4. There was a nasty drawback though... Integration didn't have a healing component. So it was 1-28 on FH, DP, and Recon alone. Was a tough road back then...

They'll probably leave DP and the regen set the same (maybe a slight nerf to Revive ) I think. Instead they'll try to balance out the defense (FF, Ice, and SR) sets. The Resistance to Debuffs is too complicated to be actually implemented, so they'll just swaps all -def powers with -regen. This will bring "balance" to defense based sets while nerfing regen without actually nerfing it.

Brilliance at its finest!

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Max slotted for DEF/RES as appropriate that leaves us at:

33% DEF Smash/Lethal
33% DEF Energy/Negative
134% RES Cold (90% RES Cold w/out Permafrost)
32% RES Fire (10% RES Fire w/out Permafrost)
20% RES Toxic (44% if somebody actually slotted it)

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Hot off the presses...

Statesman:
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Here's the real numbers (that's what I get for doing stuff from memory).

Wet Ice
0.5% base
1.265% Defence from Wet Ice with ++ SO's.

17.71% Max Defence from Energy Absorbtion (not what I had earlier).

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So, with 14 even level minions attacking you, and EA hitting all of them, those numbers would be:

51.975% DEF Smash/Lethal
51.975% DEF Energy/Negative
18.975% DEF Fire/Cold/Toxic

So under perfect conditions, you can just barely floor an even con minion. Thats just sad when thats all Ice has going for it. Hell, a Phenominal Luck (50% def) offers more protection than the entire Ice/* line!

Wow, just... wow...

Hahah, this thread is great! Props for writing it out. I'd have to stay I'm in between Savage and Feral. I love a good challenge, and have been known to try do solo things I really have no buisness fighting. However, I'm not stupid enough to give myself 5 levels of debt trying. I rarely group unless its with people who I know. When I do group, I perfer small to mid sized groups. Its more dangerous and exciting that way.


What CrystalMoon said is 100% true. When I do group, I'm fiercely protective of my squishies (even more so if they're friends).

Now pardon me while I go "arrest" some thugs.