Residentx10

Originally Posted by Ashtoreth_NA

Understandable. Five minutes loading time is pretty nuts.

But that maze base is AWESOME. I wouldn't think of it as a working base, though. You just need a more focused SG.

Originally Posted by The_Demon_Hunter

That's completely within your right to play the game the way that you want to. You'll find that just about nobody here will ever argue that you should change what you're doing to fit the groups you join. There are always SGs out there recruiting. I'm pretty certain that if you looked around for a better option, you'd find one that more closely matches what you want.

I just found it amusing that you came here complaining about other people's bases, and you wouldn't see how hypocritical it is that you're complaining that others won't redo their bases (and change their playstyle and/or goals) to meet your playstyle and/or goals.

It's really not worth getting this angry about. Find another SG and the problem is solved

Originally Posted by White Hot Flash

Curious question about your strategy for running through the TF, Residentx10:

Are you clearing every mission, including actually completing the rescue mission everyone likes to fail to save time?

If you're clearing, I could see how you'd be getting more shards than most see, but if you're running the usual speed runs, where someone goes and gets Penelope and TPs back to the front, rushes through the War Riders, lets the Mitos kill the Rikti in the Hami mission, lets Infernia and Glacia die, and then just skip right to the Honoree fight, there's just not enough killing to justify getting 10 shards a run without their being some kind of bug going on.

Also, try running several TF runs with a team of all 50s and see how you do.


I almost always get the most shards running ITFs. It's the one TF most folks are fine with clearing each mission, in my experience.

Originally Posted by VoodooGirl

There's a also a majority perception that F2P MMO's are the way of the future and can engender and create thriving robust communities. It's just a matter of how it's done.

Originally Posted by The_Demon_Hunter

I'm going to echo what was said before. Find another SG that provides what you want instead of insisting your need to go faster comes first.

You'd hate the base for my teen SG on Virtue, which was designed to have no less than half of the plot taken up by sewers or abandoned subway lines with each expansion. The entrance to the actual functional area is hidden among the tunnels and sewer lines. There are tunnels that lead to dead ends. Hidden rooms and abandoned areas. It's not a base that you just jump into and know where everything is.

I'm sure that you think I'm a terrible SG leader and base builder for creating such a thing, I know. What could I possibly be thinking by making things so difficult for my SGmates? Why did I do such a thing? What makes me torture them this way?

Lemme clue you in on something. I built the base that they wanted, asking for their input because they can obviously earn a lot more Prestige than I do all by myself. I gave options and they wanted the ultra-complex hidden secret in the sewers. I wouldn't tear it all out because one person joined up and complained after the base was set up that way, at the request of the people who have earned the millions of Prestige spent to build what they asked for.

With all due respect, if you join an existing group, you need to understand that your lone concerns are not going to be the only priority. I'd recommend you look around for groups that actually do have what you're asking for, instead of complaining that everyone should redo their base to cater to what you think should be done.

Your belief that your view of bases is the only acceptable one is the problem here, not that other base builders are "bad leaders." Demanding an existing group redo their designs to suit you is what's truly "plain inconsiderate."

I sincerely wish you luck finding a group that has what you want. That would be your best course of action at this point.

Originally Posted by VoodooGirl

I guess your ability to understand questions is flawed.

The original question (paraphrasing): "If you could make an F2P model specifically for City of Heroes, what would it be?"

You seem to keep thinking the question - or now as you think it, "argument" is:

"Should City of Heroes go F2P?"

If that's the topic you'd like to discuss it is completely within your ability to create a thread around that question. Otherwise the question is, as I repeat "If you could make an F2P model specifically for City of Heroes, what would it be?"

Third time tends to be a charm: "If you could make an F2P model specifically for City of Heroes, what would it be?"

Originally Posted by VoodooGirl

All good Thanks for letting us know

Originally Posted by VoodooGirl

I guess your ability to understand questions is flawed.

The original question (paraphrasing): "If you could make an F2P model specifically for City of Heroes, what would it be?"

You seem to keep thinking the question - or now as you think it, "argument" is:

"Should City of Heroes go F2P?"

If that's the topic you'd like to discuss it is completely within your ability to create a thread around that question. Otherwise the question is, as I repeat "If you could make an F2P model specifically for City of Heroes, what would it be?"

Third time tends to be a charm: "If you could make an F2P model specifically for City of Heroes, what would it be?"

Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man

It won't record your teammates' STATS (their drops, damage, etc), but it will record any defeats made by your team.

You'll notice that when one of your teammates KOs something, it shows a message like "Teammmate_Name has defeated Enemy_Name!" followed by a line with the XP and inf rewards, and then any drops you happen to receive. HeroStats uses these lines to differentiate what defeats were made by you--you get a message that says "You have defeated Enemy_Name!"--and which defeats were made by your teammates.

While it doesn't matter WHO defeated the enemy, this is how HeroStats keeps a log of what got defeated and what rewards you got as a result.

Basically, it gives a total kill-count for your team, what you killed, and how many drops you personally received as a result. We can take that info and generate an actual kill-per-shard ratio, which can conclusively prove (over several runs, mind you) whether LGTF gives better rewards versus other content as you believe.

And no, it shouldn't cause any issues to run HeroStats at the same time as the Titan Sentinel. I run them both.

Originally Posted by VoodooGirl

It's certainly not a dead horse, and again, this thread has been hijacked by "Waaaaaaahhh F2P Waaaaaaah" commenters when the original question was "How would you make an F2P model for CoH" NOT "Should CoH go F2P."

I am hopeful you have the capacity to understand the difference between the two questions.

Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man

No, JUST YOU. One report is all that's needed; we need to see how many total enemies the team is defeating. Hero Stats automatically records any kill that one of your teammates makes.

Having records from your teammates would be interesting, but is unnecessary. The only records we need are yours. And they need to be purged at the start of every LGTF so each run is shown separately.

Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man

Emphasized. You have an opinion. You FEEL that the LGTF gives the best rewards.

You say you haven't seen evidence to the contrary, yet you're not providing the evidence requested to prove your point. Until proven by data, your "point" can only be an opinion, and will never be the fact you claim it is.

Originally Posted by Electric-Knight

The problem I am seeing in this discussion now is that people are not offering ideas on how they would go about making a F2P model for CoH.
Instead, people are talking about if they could make more money by going F2P it would...
Well, sure... but what system of F2P are you suggesting?

A few people have offered starting points, but Frosticus and Voodoo have said those are too restrictive, yet they haven't explained and suggested any base for a model that would still pull in money and/or how the game would pull in money while giving so much of the game for free.

Again, I am actually interested to hear any such ideas. I'm not looking to shoot anything down. Just looking for something that counters what you've said isn't good enough, because it has to be good enough for the company, not just good enough to convince all these potential customers who are currently unwilling to pay (and there's nothing wrong with be unwilling to pay for the current gamesub).

Originally Posted by frosticus-11

This was probably meant to make more of an impact than it did. CoX is not large enough to have much impact on either of those elements. Certainly not across the industry like it seems you are implying.

Now if some (or one) of the heavy hitters in this industry started tweaking their revenue model it would create the kind of waves you are talking about.

CoX can essentially do w/e they want and the only lasting impact it will have on the mmo (let alone the entire gaming) industry is whether they are recorded as a decade long success, or a decade long success that tried new things.

But it sort of sounds like if cox had success with a new revenue model that one of the big game houses would come in and absorb (and bury?) them because they need to protect their price structure... If that is what you are saying it at least made me smile.

Originally Posted by Combat

(PS, I haven't read the entire thread)

I ran an LGTF this morning with 8 in 1 hour and 3 minutes and got 2 purples, lots of Vanguard merits and my notice. I love this TF because it's a two for 1. I think this is the best purples TF in the game for collecting purples. Any comments? I consistently get 1-2 purples every run whether it's farm or speed.

(Did you see what I did there? I used one lucky example to describe a trend that may or may not actually occur (and yes, I did get two purples on that TF once. Both in the final room actually))