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... Plant Control/Kinetics or really any secondary with debuffing Controllers.

Also, the past King of Farming: Fire Control/Kinetics. Now impossible to die with Bonfire.

Yeah. Controllers can farm plenty fast.

Or did you forget that Fire/Kin was the original King? And is still competitive.

Temporary Powers are power choices.

Also, there is one MASSIVE flaw with your argument: A -Regen debuff from another player would use their AT Scale.

Temporary Powers use YOUR AT Scale, thus they are from YOUR character.

Response?

And you 'duo' GMs with IOs.

Call it what you like, but since you're in the minority of thinking Temporary Powers are equal to another player, you really shouldn't make such statements as absolutes.

No, seriously. You're trying to make other people believe (Hint: This is what a debate does) that Envenomed Dagger is equal to any Support AT.

That says a lot.

PS: Power Pools are not part of your core AT, as they are optional and not an absolute. As such, if you use Hasten, you are Duoing a GM with Hasten.

Per your own logic, as this is not a power of your AT, but a power of another pool. But like Temporary Powers are of the Temporary Power Pool, and are optional, Power Pool Powers are not inherent powers.

So, a Temporary Power is equal to another character doing the same thing? That is such a stretch of false logic.

You couldn't solo GMs with out your IOs: Fact.

I couldn't solo GMs with out my Envenomed Daggers on Melee ATs not Night Widows: Fact.

They are functionally the same thing. You are claiming Envenomed Daggers do not count because they are not a part of your core AT kit.

IOs are the SAME THING. They are outside boosts that are not applicable to any single power of your AT. They are outside benefits. They are not from YOUR character, but from a source OUTSIDE of your character.

I am sorry, but if you use IOs to solo GMs, it is just like using a Temporary Power. They are the exact same thing. There is absolutely no difference. They are outside sources of power that can be used to leverage an advantage that otherwise would not exist.

Otherwise, why does everyone not start with IOs? Why are they not on the same strength, SO vs. IO?

Because one type of enhancement only improves powers to their actual balance point (SOs).

The other type gives you artificial bonuses not inherent to your AT (IOs).

Just like Temporary Powers. They are one in the same.

So, in essence: You are duoing GMs with your IOs. If you wish to prove me wrong, do it on an SO Only build.

I earn IOs by doing one, or more, of the following:

1) Getting the Recipe Drop.
2) Buying the recipe with Influence I earned.

I get Temporary Powers by doing one, or more, of the following:

1) Getting the Recipe Drop.
2) Buying the recipe with Influence I earned.

I get Incarnate Powers by doing the following:

1) Grindgrindgrindgrindgrind.


Again, you do not have the capacity to say what can and can't be used in a given scenario. If you believe if I walk up to a GM on my Stalkers, throw a Dagger at it, and that invalidates the solo?

I'll be dancing on it's corpse and shrugging afterwards.

IOs and Temporary Powers from Invention Recipes are acquired from the same manner. To the very last detail. They both also function to improve your character in a way that goes beyond the power choices you can make.

They, literally, do the same thing. If you say one no longer applies, the other should NOT apply either. Do not cherry pick when two things do the exact same thing.

Why doesn't that count? If it's for your own level of acceptance, that's fine. But why doesn't that count?

Temporary Powers take all of literally 2 seconds to have on your character. They can also be considered permanent due to their large supply.

You're using Incarnate Powers when you solo, so why are Lore pets not allowed?

The problem is: These ATs can't solo these things because you, and a few others, put artificial limiters on them to prevent it.

Sorry, but nothing in the game, nor anything anyone says, is preventing me from chucking my daggers at a GM and soloing them. Or using my Lore Pets if I reall ywant a laugh.

Every AT CAN solo GMs.

Just because you say it doesn't count, doesn't mean it doesn't count.

Your only other alternative is Fire Mastery, which gives Rain of Fire and Fireball. Do these add up to Sleet? Maybe.

You're trading the +Res for the +Def and +Max HP that Ice Mastery gives. Ontop of the protection granted by the Control. Do I think it's enough?

Very yes. While I do love +Resistance, I do know the value of a soft cap over Resistance.

But if you really want Resistance, Fire Mastery is a viable alternative.

If Confusion can set off Containment, I demand Fear/Terrorize can, too! ;P

But yeah, reducing it's Accuracy and Duration would probably be sufficient. It wouldn't be WOAHWHY, but it would be something.

Still, this is more about Bonfire KB to KD, and less Seeds of Derp.

Well, primarily it's Seeds of Confusion. If we dropped or gutted that power, while Carrion Creepers would most definitely still be strong, it'd be a shadow of it's former self. It's ST Hold is slow (compared to the faster ones, which are obviously better for ST damage, which IMO is still Plants 'weakness") and lackluster, Roots shines as doing more damage than the other AoE Immos, and Carrion Creepers is really good.

At this point? There's nothing you can do to Plant Control and not piss off a LOT more people, due to how old the set is. I mean, a 'good' way to nerf Plant Control with out nerfing it too hard is probably having enemies who are currently confused by Seeds of Confusion suffer a -DMG or -Recharge or -ToHit debuff, so they are ineffectual at killing off each other. Really, having Seeds of Confusion lock down a group would make it more in-line of other "Alternative Control" Powers.

But, that's years in the past and really doesn't matter. And in Trials with EBs being all over it's less effective (Plant in general is less effective in Trials. Good still, but with so much damage flying around /shrug).

But thiiiiiis is something entirely different. Entirely, entirely different. Would I like to see Seeds of Confusion downscaled? No, but I'd understand it. Will it after so many years? No, not really.

But this proc, in Bonfire specifically (MAYBE Tornado. BIG Maybe) still has time to be changed. And needs to be changed.

Considering this is the OP's... OP, yeah.

Grain of salt.

Whifflebat.

Might want to ask this in the PVP Forums. Much like how people are ignoring that while it's Godlike/Borderline Broken on Controllers/Dominators, it's GAME BREAKINGLY overpowered on Blasters and Masterminds, because these are the Controller Boards.

I THINK they did, but that only applied to melee attacks and I've seen melee pets engaged flopped enemies.

As for Dominators? Sure. Bonfire does plenty of damage. They can just throw it down and go to town. Basically: It made Dominators even better. Sure, Domination doesn't care about KD but... well.

... It's just stupid all together. Even EvilGeko has acknowledged it.

... Those powers also have innate 150% Accuracy, making them practically to-hit. As well, Bonfire ticks on.. 0.25s intervals I believe?

This would not change anything. And you really don't know what the term 'fair' means if you think Bonfire right now is fair.

PS: Can you name 5 Enemy Types that are KD Immune?

You're at extreme levels of IOs. Bonfire is easily perma'd with no IOing aside from the proc that costs nothing to get except a little time.

And even then, Bonfire allows you to control more than the maximum number of targets normally applicable to, say, Flashfire.

Since Perma Flashfire, or Flashfire up every spawn, is only available at extreme IO levels, while Perma Bonfire is available... with minimal SLOTTING? You should begin to see the problem.

At the super high end, Bonfire is probably equal to most Super Powers.

At the point 90% (not a factual number) of the playerbase is at? It's the single most powerful (IE: Broken) ability in the game.

I disagree. Unless we assume all Blasters are Archery (IE: Rain of Arrows), Dominators are more than likley going Fire or Ice Mastery. If they don't, fair enough.

I would say Dominators can easily rival most Non-Archery (and even then Plant Control arguably BEATS Archery. Arguably. We've had this debate before, so not again.) sets in AoE damage as long as they went Fire or Ice Mastery. Single Target I feel is always going to be matched as long as the Dominator can leverage the ATE Proc. Especially if they went either Fire Control or Dark Assault.

But it's really no surprise Dominators can do the majority of Blaster jobs, better.

This is the story that never ends.

You are aware, like nobody else in that thread, I ONLY advocated a down-scaling of PEAK DNA Absorption AND the -200% Regen being FIXED, right? That last one wasn't even a nerf. IT WAS A BUG FIX.

Wow! At LEAST cite your material correctly.

Again, while it's nice? It's still not doing a good job.

You can 'protect the precious thing' as much as you like, but you're only defending it because you know how powerful it is. In fact, if I go through your post history, you are VERY well aware of it's stupid power.

So, no. You just don't want it addressed for pretty blatantly obvious reasons. While I, in using it, am well aware it broke a power over it's knee in a manner so glorious, even a Flying Walrus cannot shade it's glory.

It needs to be addressed.

And sorry? No. You don't fix the power creep by power creeping further. No. Absolutely not.


PS: I find it cute you're willingly ignoring the three other ATs with access to Bonfire.

I was also not aware that Foot Stomp was permanent 100% Knockdown, and recharges long before the Knockdown effect disperses.

Oh wait...

• 59.22 Smashing damage
• 0.67 Knockback (80% chance)
• Recharge time: 20 seconds
• Radius: 15 feet
• Max targets hit: 10

I'm sorry. I was not aware Crowd Control and Damage were NOT two entirely different metrics.



While nice, it doesn't seem to be actually working. Keep trying, though.

Let me revise my statement:

"If we compare the best Blaster combinations to the best Dominator Combinations, the Blaster does not do anything the Dominator can't do, better or at least on equal ground, or slightly less in terms of damage. Maybe. Arguable. And then there are still things the Dominator can do the blaster cannot do."

While it is still absolute, it is absolute only at the very peak. I do think we can agree that at peak levels, there really is no place for Blasters, at this moment, against Dominators. At least, not one I see.