Oceanborn

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WINGS IN I8 FTW!!!!!!!!!!!positron said so when he was in atlas park on my server. My friend told me

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Yeah, I know.
Check page 12.

I posted about it last week I think. They're only wings as costume options though. They're not the Avilans EAT.

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Well, unless the devs say so, I doubt it. They're already designed and waiting for the right time to get implemented according to the devs. So.. yeah.

Any Soul Mastery pics? I know they're recycled attacks but I've seen a glimpse of some of the powers and they seem to have a more GW-ish reworked animation. So, any pics? (preferrably MM powers.)

It's a temporary server wipe for the RV event. It'll be restored back to normal after.

I'd imagine, in the air, that it will fade in; appear from out of nowhere, just like most henchmen. Just like the other totem shark powers as well.


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ha! thats what you get for getting used to those slow moving ones in that mission with mako, the fonts, and Calystix in it!

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*raises and shakes fist with an angry-constepated look*

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For me, what Positron said about the expansion, about how it will give heroes and villains a chance to team up and "fight a common foe" makes me think it might be the Coralax (because of the whole anti-human/land-walker thing.)

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I dunno, I kind of suspect that the 'common foe' will either be something entirely new, that we wouldn't suspect, or possibly just something old...that we still might not initially suspect - Rikti, Praetorians, perhaps the return of the 5th Column? The last seems doubtable, but...I want to see the 5th come back, dang it! They're just too cool to let die...

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Didn't Positron say something about the 5th coming back in I8? I could have sworn he did.. well, anyway, it would be awesome if they came back the same time as the Nictus(?) EAT comes out and they're somehow linked to them.

As far as the Coralax, I just think it's logical since there might be an underwater zone in the expansion box. Connect that with heroes and villains teaming up against a common foe, and huala! BUT.. I'm not getting my hopes up.

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Actually, if I read both that interview and the address correctly, the "upgrade" system will be in BOTH Issue 9 and the boxed expansion set.

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From what I've heard before, this sounds VERY much like the "Legends" system that Statesman has been working on for a long time. They've also mentioned that "City of Legends" might be the name of the next expansion (alternately, City of Shadows), and that seems consistent with this whole discussion of upping your level 50s.

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Yeah, I remember that. Someone came up with 'Shadows' and he said he liked it (States), and I also remember him saying random, vague, stuff about the next expansion. 'Spies' was also a candidate name.


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So I wouldn't be surprised to see Incarnates in the boxed set. I WANT Coralax, but I think it'll be Incarnates.


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To be honest, I only expected the Incarnates because I thought it would be what the lvl 50 "upgrade" will turn out to be. Now that we know the lvl 50 "upgrade" is coming in I8 (said specifically in the interview) I don't know anymore. What do you think?

For me, what Positron said about the expansion, about how it will give heroes and villains a chance to team up and "fight a common foe" makes me think it might be the Coralax (because of the whole anti-human/land-walker thing.)

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The lvl 50 requirement is no longer gonna be used, but instead, we'll be doing a SF/trial.

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Hmm, I'm not so sure. I had heard, some time ago, that "new EATs wouldn't be unlocked by hitting 50," but I don't think that Warshades are a "new" AT.

I really suspect that comment relates the Expansion EAT, not the villain Warshade. It wouldn't be the first time they wrote about the Expansion AT in a confusing manner.

In particular, it seems odd the heroes would unlock their Khelds by hitting 50, but we have to do a SF to get it. I'd rather have Khelds at 50 and whatever new AT by SF.

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His comment seemed somewhat clear, but I wouldn't be surprised if the requirement is still the same. Though.. you'd think the devs would know better than to make the same mistake (in which the lvl 50 requirement was.)

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I dunno. Seems kinda nice to have something to work towards, an end-goal that's unlocked when you "finish" the game.

But I wouldn't want it twice, and I can think of better EAT concepts to use for the idea (Incarnates, namely, presuming they really are an uber-class like everyone seems to think they are).

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The end-goal thing, according to the devs was a bad idea, since not everyone *can* get to lvl 50, being one of the devs' mottos are to make and encourage alt-itis. So for them to force that requirement on the players would very much oppose.. themselves.

As far as the Incarnates, yes, it's the perfect concept for such a requirement, and it's funny because people are probably assuming they're some sort of god-mode AT since.. well.. look what it did to States and LR, but as far as that goes, I have a bad feeling (since I'm not into the whole Incarnates EAT) that it might be what Positron was talking about in the interview when he said you can "make your (lvl 50) characters better, then better again, and then even better", which be an alternative, or rather, would equate to extending the lvl cap to 60.

But the thing that opposes that is that, since there will be just one EAT in the expansion box, the Coralax may be another candidate since Posi mentioned heroes and villains will be uniting to fight a "common foe." Overall, it got me thinking, what if the Incarnates is now seen as an "upgrade" instead of an EAT?

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When I wrote that, for some reason I thought Posi meant that the "make your lvl 50 better" feature will be in the box, but he meant I8, so nevermind the whole "I think it'll be the Incarnate for the expansion box thing."

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The lvl 50 requirement is no longer gonna be used, but instead, we'll be doing a SF/trial.

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Hmm, I'm not so sure. I had heard, some time ago, that "new EATs wouldn't be unlocked by hitting 50," but I don't think that Warshades are a "new" AT.

I really suspect that comment relates the Expansion EAT, not the villain Warshade. It wouldn't be the first time they wrote about the Expansion AT in a confusing manner.

In particular, it seems odd the heroes would unlock their Khelds by hitting 50, but we have to do a SF to get it. I'd rather have Khelds at 50 and whatever new AT by SF.

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His comment seemed somewhat clear, but I wouldn't be surprised if the requirement is still the same. Though.. you'd think the devs would know better than to make the same mistake (in which the lvl 50 requirement was.)

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I can definitely see your point in this, and why a potential fallen Peacebringer wouldn't want to join the Nictus, though I can still see it as being possible. Even so, however, assuming a fallen Peacebringer would never, in a million years, join the Nictus...why does that mean we can't play them?

They're still fallen, which means they're still villains, afterall...

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Well, anything's possible is what I'd say.

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I'm not sure how I feel about villainous Khelds. I mean, I've wanted a Kheld for a while now, and my first 50 will definitly be a Villain, so that's kinda nice. But on the flip side, heroes get TWO Kheld ATs to choose from. I can only see how we'll get one (Nictus) unless the Nictus have some fancy new version you can also pick from *shrugs*

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The lvl 50 requirement is no longer gonna be used, but instead, we'll be doing a SF/trial.


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Also, it DOES sound like we'll be getting Wings soon, but does that mean we'll see Avilians? I always assumed the reason they wanted Avilians was to allow winged characters, but if they're just going to slap them on our costumes (are they animated? It would rock if they were... and if they are... can they animate our tails at last?), do we really need a whole AT for them?

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No Avilans, just wings as costume parts, and I've always assumed the same thing, that the Avilans are the solution to people who want wings, thus, limiting the "winged" population, but I guess I'm wrong since the devs just sprung that up out of nowhere. Wether or not they're animated is beyond me, but I'm not getting my hopes up.


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This suggests to me that IF we see Avilians, it won't be for some time. Looks kinda like they did what they often do, which is scrap an idea and recycle the best bits for the game.

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*nod*

WOW.. I never thought it would be that fast..

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Not at all. The Nictus have plenty of potential "food" in the PB Kheldians who oppose them. Especially in their currently 'weakened' state as a group, as evil as the Nictus may be, it would be foolish to turn down help from a PB.

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Hm, I just keep thinking "why would I help people who want to eat me?"


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Do Warshades, being Nictus, want to feed off of the good-PB? Of course not, it would be too short-sighted.


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Warshades made a pact with the Peacebringers, so they wouldn't.


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Now, should the Nictus win their little war with the rest of the Kheldians, then sure, they might, at that point decide to try and start feeding off the fallen PB, but not before then.

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Still, making them a third party. Well, that, or just lackeys.


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And even still, what do you think the primary motivation would be for a PB to join the Nictus? The potential for a little 'help' in that little 10-year lifespan problem.

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But what would the fallen PBs get out of this..?
Besides always having to look back their shoulder I mean, lol.

Wouldn't they want to be turned into Nictus?


I understand what you're saying about the fallen PBs helping the Nictus get more PBs, but some things are still unclear to me. Just as a reminder, I'm basing my conclusions from the Kheldian story arcs. I'm not saying I'm right nor am I wrong.

Well ok let's remember the Kheldian history:

The normal Kheldian (or in a way, Peacebringer) lives only up to 10 years long. Some of these Kheldians didn't approve, so they scientifically enhanced themselves, hence, the Nictus. These Nictus feed on Kheldians to become immortal. If these fallen Kheldian would team up with the Nictus, wouldn't the Nictus want to eat these fallen Kheldian, and in return, wouldn't these fallen Kheldian want to fight against the Nictus?

That's where I got "third party" from. The fallen PBs are against the PBs, and they can't team up with the Nictus because they'll eat them.

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WINGS IN I8 FTW!!!!!!!!!!!positron said so when he was in atlas park on my server. My friend told me

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Yeah, I know.
Check page 12.

I posted about it last week I think. They're only wings as costume options though. They're not the Avilans EAT.

Wouldn't a fallen PB not make sense? I mean, they're peaceful people, if they fall, they become a third party.. so I don't think that will work out. Basically it's going to be the PBs vs the fallen PBs, while both of them are vs Nictus. If the devs already decided they're only gonna make one EAT to counter the PBs and WS, it has to be either the fallen PBs or the Nictus. In this case, it's probably the Nictus.

In other words, fallen PBs would extend the Kheldian story because they'll become a third party. It would extend it, as in taking the story in a different direction, I'm not sure if that's what the devs are planning to do though.

But hey you never know.

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Haha, well it's not that bad. It's disappointing because I guess I'm over the whole Kheldian thing, but I've always wanted to play one. Now I'm gonna have the chance so that's good I guess. I sent a PM to Posi (which he probably won't respond to) and asked if there will be any major changes. It would be nice to see new forms for the Nictus, or at least, the rogue Khelds.

IIRC, Kheldians = Peacebringers, Rogue Peacebringers = Nictus, Rogue Nictus = Warshades. I'm not sure where I'm going with that but I think that's how it goes, lol. Let me re-read the Kheldian story arcs to see what we might get.

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Ok, well, I've never *played* a Kheldian, so all my knowledge about their stories comes from the forums, and the plot synopsis I read on the 'net. But from what I've gotten, Nictus as *not* exactly Rogue Peacebringers. They're more like to seperate sub-species of the same main race. I'm sure if you traced their geneology back far enough, you'd find a common root, but, if nothing else, Nictus have manipulated themselves through science, and are seperate, but related entities.

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Kheldians = Peacebringers, Rogue Peacebringers = Nictus, Rogue Nictus = Warshades.

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So effectively...Warshades are...Peacebringers? No. Warshades are, from what we can tell so far, Rouge Nictus. If you want to think of Nictus as rogue Peacbringers, in the sense that they're evil Kheldians, then I suppose there's some truth to that.

A greater truth, to use metaphorical example however, would be if a group of Humans started genetically enhancing themselves, and decided to wipe out regular humanity. Would you consider one of them, who went rogue to help out regular humans, a 'regular human' or would they just be an 'enhanced human', working for the normals?

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I would consider them rogue; but I was just using the term 'rogue peacebringer' loosely, it's easier to type than 'scientifically enhanced kheldians', lol, and yes I did, overall, meant 'evil khelds.' For better clarification, here's what I remember:

[*]Peacebringers are the (good) Kheldians, hence the Natural origin.

[*]Nictus are the scientifically enhanced Kheldians, turned evil.

[*]Warshades are Nictus gone good, hence the Science origin.

Haha, well it's not that bad. It's disappointing because I guess I'm over the whole Kheldian thing, but I've always wanted to play one. Now I'm gonna have the chance so that's good I guess. I sent a PM to Posi (which he probably won't respond to) and asked if there will be any major changes. It would be nice to see new forms for the Nictus, or at least, the rogue Khelds.

IIRC, Kheldians = Peacebringers, Rogue Peacebringers = Nictus, Rogue Nictus = Warshades. I'm not sure where I'm going with that but I think that's how it goes, lol. Let me re-read the Kheldian story arcs to see what we might get.

According to an interview with Positron:

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No, I expect a release 3-4 months after Issue 7, which means around September. Issue 8 is well on track and there won’t be any big technological speed bumps this time.

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So, if there are any EATs, I hope we hear about them soon, and let's rejoice since September's right around the corner. And quite possibly, he also may have mentioned the Incarnate EAT which would be this:

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In the next update, Issue 8, we will have a new system that gives us the ability to make your level 50 characters better. That means we’ve abandoned the idea of raising the level cap to 60 for now and instead will give you the option to make your level 50s better, then better again and then even better. That process will last a lot longer than additional 10 levels, which just create a new problem: What to do after hitting level 60?

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The expansion will let heroes and villains team up against a common foe.
It can be run from any of the games and there will be no extra subscription fee. It’s also build into the system of making better level 50 characters, however there is going to be content for all level ranges. There will also be a new power set for each of the existing archetypes including tanks and scrappers.

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OH MY GOD NO!!! WARSHADES FOR VILLAINS!
Man, I don't want Warshades:

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There’s an epic archetype planned for the retail expansion, but until then we are looking at introducing Warshades to City of Villains. You’ll not get access to the new epic AT just by hitting level 50 this time. Instead we’ll send you on a special Strike Force or trial.

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So, you guys read it. It's official. No Coralax, Avilans, BotBS, or Incarnates in I8 or I9. Instead, Warshades (probably Nictus OR the same old darn thing) will be probably in I8.

In conclusion: I8 or I9, we'll probably get Warshades or Nictus, or whatever. For the next expansion (after I9), we'll be introduced to a new EAT. It hasn't been officially confirmed, BUT from what Positron says, it seems as if he's describing being an Incarnate - again, it SEEMS as if he is. As for me, I hope it's either the Avilans, Coralax, or BotBS.

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Though, on the contrary, he did say that the Avilans nor the BotBS are going to be the next released EAT, so nevermind I guess.

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so coralax and their slaves are next?

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I'm not gonna say yes or no, but all we know is that the Avilans and/or BotBS aren't next. It's most likely that it will be the Coralax (and possibly the Virtea - nothing's been confirmed if the heroes will get them) but I don't want to say yes for sure because nothing's been officially confirmed.

But it's highly possible it will be the Coralax.

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Cool. I enjoyed reading it.

I hope the new EATs come sooner rather than later.

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I'm glad you enjoyed it.

As far as early release, let's just hope and cross our fingers for I8, and best chances (according to official feedback) are the Coralax might be released first.

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I think the avilins....avil...av..., the bird people, will be an Epic At with wings as a feature like the squids quantum flight- BUT not to tick of the paying majority they will make the wings available to everyone- NOT just the EAT.

Thanx for the info!



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I have no problem believing that. I have no problem thinking that the Avilans will have much more bonuses when it comes to flying compared to.. normal.. flying. Eventhough I think wings as costume options is a bad idea, I think, like you said, that it should make the others who aren't Avilans content with just wings.

But I have a thought, when Posi said wings for costume options, couldn't he have been being cryptic about it and really mean that, sure, it may be a costume option, but only to Avilans..?

Though, on the contrary, he did say that the Avilans nor the BotBS are going to be the next released EAT, so nevermind I guess.

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just to clarify for myself:

heroes:
peacebringers
warshades
(the colalax slaves)
heroic avians
incarnates

villains:
blood of the black stream
colalax
villainous avians
incarnates

it seems that villains are missing one to make it even. its this intentional or is another planned? ex: nictus?

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Well, there hasn't been anything announced yet regaurding who is gonna go where, but IMO, if the list were to turn out that way, I don't think it's a matter of balance, because to me, EATs give you a chance to be part of their story, so the only disadvantage is that the villains cannot take part in the Kheldians' story, which is a concern to some, but according to how they're written, they can only be accessible to heroes. Bringing over the Nictus however, is a completely seperate thing that may be considered one day, but nothing has been announced so far. IMO, as far as the Kheldian's story goes, I think it's over, unless the devs choose to expand it anyway - which isn't impossible.

But anyway, point being: to me, EATs are just.. stories that you can take part in, wether or not the heroes have more shouldn't be a concern.. at least I don't think it is.. heh. But that's just me ofcourse.

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I agree, but it would be a way to make sure there aren't many of them, so there aren't a huge number of them around, and they would never be as powerful as LR or States, but could still be more powerful then a normal AT character.

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I also understand the desire to not give up a 50, as I myself have only one, and he took me a year or more to get up there. Mainly because I am a die-hard alt-o-holic.

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While this is a good idea, in a long run, the balance of power is still going to shift, but I like the idea. It makes being one.. more unique. The balance is just my only concern. That, and the question, "what if the Incarnates suck for you?" - as the Kheldian as my example, not everyone really liked it, and as far as we know, EATs aren't meant to be more powerful, but just to be.. epic. It would really be devastating to restart your lvl 50 character to find out you really hate being an Incarnate, lol. But your guess is as good as mine

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Choose a god/goddess/higher being to be reincarnated with or be personfied with, or something like that. But that's just pure speculation.


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Ok, now I know I'm reaching waaay back in text here, but maybe a thought for incarnates. I like the idea of reincarnation, but I think we're missing the obvious here for endgame content. Reincarnate. Think about it, hit level 50, play around for X amount of time, then go through a special tf, in which you get too choose a patron diety, and are then reincarnated as a level 1 incarnate.

If this has already been speculated I apoligize, i just had to say it, and I had only gotten that far in reading as of yet.

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Yeah, it's been discussed upon. The majority had very negative things to say, but to sum it up, while it's a good idea for some, it would really be unfair to ask us to get rid of our 50 and start it all over again. That, and according to plot guidlines, I don't think we can be as powerful as States and LR. That's just my opinion though, feel free to disagree


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This way, while they might be vastly powerful, it would involve a huge undertaking, and to be a X Incarnate, like a Scrapper Incarnate, you would be reincarnated from whatever the X is, and have access to regaining these powers, with some fun new stuff.

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The balance of power (especially in the PvP zones) will be shifted, so I don't think that will turn out too well, heh. Again, just my opinion.

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I PM'ed Posi about avilans or costume piece. He only said and i quote "costume piece". And i realy wanted the avilans. Threre were the only new EAT i was looking forward too. . So i guess we can stop talking about avilans

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The Avilans have been in works for awhile now. You shouldn't assume that the Avilans aren't coming I would suggest not being sad about it until it's confirmed that they aren't releasing the Avilans anymore, and just like what Janus said:

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There is no way I'll believe this unless a red-name personally posts it in the forums somewhere. It's already far too 'confirmed' as a new EAT.

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