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So yes, I can lie, and pretend large chunks of the game just didn't happen. And that's pretty much what I'm going to have to do if I want to access these powers. It's not pretty, it's not what I'd want out of the game, but that's life.

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I think what he means is, you're RPing, why are you limiting yourself and your creativity? really.

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Interesting. How does this work for respec? Can we do multiple trials and then respec from one patron to another?


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Man, where have you been, lol.
The answer to that only spurred up WWIII

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You people are so creatively void it's embarrassing.

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LOL!
Finally someone said it.

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Why does Mako let you summon Coralax? I didn't think there was any connection between Mako, or Arachnos and the Coralax...

Although this does pretty much confirm Coralax being a CoV only AT in my eyes.

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Mako is working with Barricuda(sp?) who is a Corlax-Hybrid.

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Forgot about that.



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Barracuda is oblivious to her past.
I believe Mako has more Coralax connections than she does.
Two words: Sharkhead Isle.

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Something I'm curious of is whether your Patron choice will grant any exclusive costume pieces. I believe it's been mentioned (way back in Beta) that you could unlock the helmet of your patron (a la pre-order), but nothing else was said.

If I can get some Arachnos armor, I'll weep with joy.

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That's interesting.
Now that is a valid question.
Posi should answer this one..


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Why does Mako let you summon Coralax? I didn't think there was any connection between Mako, or Arachnos and the Coralax...

Although this does pretty much confirm Coralax being a CoV only AT in my eyes.

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With all the time he spent in Sharkhead Isle? come on. We'll most likely find out more during his arc.

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I know I can't be the only one that cares about character concept...

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Be creative. Maybe you're a recently-awakened descendant of Mu, or through your other powers you can attain a mastery of the occult.

Or you love ghost sharks.

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Whoever that person was is so wrong.
Most of the community is complaining for the simple fact that they can't RP it into their character.

Why? beats me.
I guess creating new story plots for your toon like "I work for Arachnos now and look.. they gave me new powers" are just hard to do nowadays.

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You have completed the trial set before you by your Patron and thus earned your reward. Accept your Patron Badge as a sign of honor and gain access to your new Patron Power Pool! Read more in our latest update here!

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Thanks Awry, just as I predicted

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Anytime someone makes any sort of comment that contains hints of emotion or strong opinion about the GAME, there's always some ignorant pissant that thinks it's born of personal life trauma.

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Welcome to the real world my friend.
And I don't mean the Real World MTV.

Awry needs to release the Patron Power info..

Sorry I had to vent that somewhere.

Not sure if this is relevant but I guess it's just a random fun fact:

Did you know that the Japanese plan on constructing a vertical city, just like Grandville? (I saw it on Discovery Channel a while back, that's why it was weird how the concept of Grandville, when I first heard about it, seemed familiar.)

Anyway, just random irrelevant facts.

Okay 100 posts later and the I7:Patron Arcs thread turns into the Arthurian legends thread.. how did this happend?

(I'm not about to read 50 pages)

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You are not forced to do any of the Patron content.

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"Forced" is such a tricky word. But by the sounds of this, if you want to get the arguably invaluable 41+ ancillary power pools on the villains side... you effectively HAVE to do these arcs. Otherwise you are screwed out of powers that may turn out to be so good they are "needed".

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Nobody said there will or won't be non-Patron power pools.


..I just wanted to point that out.

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As long as the game is evolving -- and if it isn't, it's dead -- locking players into irrevocable choices should be a non-starter. This idea shouldn't have gotten onto the drawing board, never mind off.

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Well, two things:

I. This is an opportunity to become part of Arachnos, which is a very, very good idea for those who want to get involved in the bunch. Sure, it isn't fair if they changed the power sets you once loved, and you can't respec out of it, but..

II. You don't have to join any of the Patrons. Which answers this one hell of a rant:

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That's the very 'thing' I'm annoyed about. Why should I have to follow any NPC to get epic powers?

Answer: because someone on the Dev Team thought it would be awesome!

This will never be so for me. I like concocting my own stories, thanks. I don't need busybody, adhoc, compulsory storytelling assaulting my characters. Give me what the heroes have and I'll choose my own story and rationale.

Naturally, if I decide not to engage this nonsense, then I'm screwed over for epic powers and, once again, story+concept falls to powergaming and min/maxing. The fact that none of these powers can be respec'ed just adds tons of teeth-gnashing factor on top of it all.

I don't see how this 'idea' could have possibly made it past the first strategy meeting. I'd like to know the real reason we're being forced to endure this.

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Hey you might not get epic powers but you don't have to follow an NPC. Just like how you don't have to follow your contacts to gain missions.

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Well, except for the "wait and see - it'll be all right" crowd.

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People are saying 'It'll be all right'? I must have missed that.

Look, the justification for reserving judgement until we know more is that this is not just an epic power pool you can't get rid of. It's something new. They've obviously designed it to be a permanent choice on purpose. If that permanency is an integral part of how these things were designed, then we can't assess how good or bad it is until we see it in context along with the rest of the design.

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The reason why it's hard to respec out of them is because of the content tied to the Patron Powers.

If they just gave us Patron Powers, it would be an easy task for the devs to arrange a respec if needed, but that isn't the case.

Along with our Patron Powers, comes missions and probably other stuff we have no idea of yet. So respecing wouldn't work. I'm assuming lvl 40-50 missions and story arcs would be mostly (if not all) about our Patron. That's most likely the reason why respeccing isn't allowed at the moment.

If they allowed it the easy way, they'd reset your toon back to 40 so you can choose your Patron again and start THAT arc.

Not being able to respec out of your Patron is understandable from the way I see it.

Oh wait! I just realized something, people are looking at the powers instead of the Patron.

Wow, how anti-RP can you get?

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Overall it will probably be a bad desescision to make them perment, if nothing else, because someone will speed through the popup that informs them such, pick the wrong power, and be here to gripe about it the first time they try to respec .

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Anyone who doesn't read up on this before making their decision, deserves to get stuck with the wrong Patron. The information will be available in-game, on the website, and the forums. And that doesn't count trying different patron power sets on the test server.

Plus, they could put a timer on the window that won't allow you to close it right away. That way you have nothing to do but read what's there.

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To add onto that, States or Zeb said that they wanted to make it really REALLY clear who you're gonna be choosing. So there's most likely gonna be 2-3 questionnares before you actually pick your patron (ie. are you sure? are you really sure? are you really REALLY sure? - but in a more villainous manner.)

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...says Jon Woods in this article

Have we gotten a solid confirmation from the Devs that there wouldn't be any EaT's?
I thought we got several hints that there would not be any... Awry? Jo? wanna step in here and settle this maybe? Is he just confused about the new MM/Stalker/Brute powersets or what's planned for Issue-8? And if he is, what have all the Art resources been invested in for the last frikkin Half a Year? Inquiring minds that were told one thing and then another, want to know.

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DAAAAAMN who's the Muscle dude signing autographs with the COV logo behind him, on that page... (its a pic you can click and expand)

or you can direct this http://<a href="http://images.mmorpg.../524_6.jpg</a>

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I don't think you should hit on any of our devs just incase.
You wouldn't wanna lose your lvl 50 toon over a fight about who was supposed to cook breakfast in the morning.

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You can debate over what you assume is valid but it wont help much until you see how it works.

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Yep

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You know what I was thinking.. what if the powers didn't matter because most (like 98%) of them gonna be the same? Maybe that's why it wouldn't matter if you picked X Patron or not?

Like for example, all of the Patrons grant the same powers except for their one single signature Patron attack they wanted to give you?

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I was thinking the same thing. Its possible that each of the Patron pools will offer the same exact powers. The only difference would be their appearance. So Mako's shield, ranged cone, etc. would be corallax themed, while Sirocco's would be Mu red lighting themed.

If that is the case, then only the Patron specific content will truely matter.

I am willing to wait for more details before passing judgement.

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I don't think they'd make all the powers the same, just with different animations, that's greatly limiting the choices players have.

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Why not?

It certainly would solve the "man-I-hate-this-Patron's-powers,-I-wanna-try-the-other-Patron-now" problem.

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Except for the fact that Posi already said we can't respec out of a patron due to the way they're coded into the content - not because they didn't want player to be able to do so.

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What? lol.

I don't think you got what I was trying to say.

What I meant was if most of the powers (except for a few Patron-related powers) are shared by all the Patrons, then there wouldn't be any need for respeccing.

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You know what I was thinking.. what if the powers didn't matter because most (like 98%) of them gonna be the same? Maybe that's why it wouldn't matter if you picked X Patron or not?

Like for example, all of the Patrons grant the same powers except for their one single signature Patron attack they wanted to give you?

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I was thinking the same thing. Its possible that each of the Patron pools will offer the same exact powers. The only difference would be their appearance. So Mako's shield, ranged cone, etc. would be corallax themed, while Sirocco's would be Mu red lighting themed.

If that is the case, then only the Patron specific content will truely matter.

I am willing to wait for more details before passing judgement.

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I don't think they'd make all the powers the same, just with different animations, that's greatly limiting the choices players have.

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Why not?

It certainly would solve the "man-I-hate-this-Patron's-powers,-I-wanna-try-the-other-Patron-now" problem.

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I think the Devs have the patience of saints, given the amount of abuse that gets heaped on them (a couple times by me, sorry guys).

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I completely agree.

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Hey, they made a dumb a move that's going to kick players in the [censored] somewhere down the road. I'm more than entitled to be concerned over that and defend my opinion.

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Agree 100% that based on what we know at the moment that it looks like a dumb move. But we don't know hardly anything YET. We called out Positron for clarification. I'm sure the Devs are currently huddled up wherever they do in the office to decide what the official response to this will be. We need to just wait for that.

Is it content thats permanent, or powers? Or both? We all will agree that locking POWERS = bad, but everything else locked = fine.

We just need to wait for their (hopefully) prompt response and clarification. Also, we need to lay off the "devs are stupid rere's who suck" sorta stuff. Pissing in their faces will not engender them to give us more info.

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Like I said, does he even know what he's defending?

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And it's not because they want it that way - it because they didn't take it into account when designing the content.

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We don't know this. We need to chillax.

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If it was taken into account and they went along with it anyway, than I've obviously overestimated their intelligence.

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Dude, give it a rest.

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Hey, they made a dumb a move that's going to kick players in the [censored] somewhere down the road. I'm more than entitled to be concerned over that and defend my opinion.

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But let me ask you this, do you even know what you're defending?

You know what I was thinking.. what if the powers didn't matter because most (like 98%) of them gonna be the same? Maybe that's why it wouldn't matter if you picked X Patron or not?

Like for example, all of the Patrons grant the same powers except for their one single signature Patron attack they wanted to give you?

Oh and the only reason why I see a problem with respeccing over is because of the 40-50 content missions you'll be doing for that specific Patron.

Hm I think we at least need to see the powers before people start whining.


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It's not "what if this power or that power changes", it's more "when this power or that power changes".

There will be power changes to these pools after it goes live, that's the nature of an MMO. The only suggestion I can make is they not change a single thing about them after they go live until they figure out a feasible way for players to respec out of a specific patron.

And due to this not being they player's fault, but a result of Dev carelessness, there should be some type of perk associated for villain ATs.

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Oh well, I don't care anymore. There's no use debating over this right now.

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and they dropped the ball with Kheldians

and they dropped the ball with the Purple Patch

and they dropped the ball with Epic Pools

and they dropped the ball with ED

and they dropped the ball with Patron Pools

Kettle ; Meet Pot

As for my personal opinion, the TEST server exists to check things out. We can try out each power individually, wait for others on the baords to post how each power works in practice and I'll make my decision.

I wont come and complain on the boards for a mistake I made demanding free months or demanding the devs shower me with respecs. I accept mistakes I make. We all do it. The test server is there to do our best to ensure we dont make a mistake.

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We all know of the Test Server, I've actually spent 4+ hours there today playing around with builds. Problem with the Test Server is that it only works for things that they plan to implement.

So what happens when sometime down the line they decide Mako's sets are too strong or they want to change how one of the powers work - whoever has Mako can't decide to pick another patron. The test server doesn't solve that.

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Well if they decide to CHANGE something that players didn't originally sign onto doing, then they're obviously gonna give you another choice of choosing your Patron.

That idea is obviously unfair, the devs would obviously do something about it.

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From Posi's post:

There is currently no way for us to let you re-spec out of them and into a different one. This is because it is tied to specific content for that Patron.

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He's talking about us not recieving any respecs out of our Patrons in I7.

You're talking about "what if..." and about the devs changing things.

Ofcourse, if they change something that the players didn't originally approve of, they're gonna give you a chance to rethink your choice once again. How? I don't know? but it's clear to see that there's something wrong with the devs not letting us change our Patrons when THEY changed it AFTER we picked them.