New Dawn

OK there it is. It's all under Target from what I can tell.

I was probably the first person to tank the inner circle and Lord Recluse included unsupported by defenders and controllers, okay, the entire STF because taunt isn't largely useless. Basically way back when they first come out. Some people would regard a few minions running off as unacceptable. I would regard losing aggro to scrappers as unacceptable although I don't tank for them. Brutes I can accept. Scrappers I don't mind getting aggro but I'd rather it took confront to get it from a Tanker.

Well seeing as your a farmer and if you have the endurance to go with it then you'll probably be alright. The effect per end of Melt Armour isn't that hot. It's alright to get a mob done with quick but as you move on to others and more others you'll need to be sure you got the endurance to keep going. I've never had the power I just did the maths time ago and thought well assault plus a team might be better. You'll be alone though so it could be different. Thanks for making me think on it but definitely look at your attack chains end drain plus your toggles and work out if over time you can afford to use it alot. The endurance saved from having to attack less needs to be more than the cost of melt armour.

There would be no stacking. One duration replaces another and thats it as far as I am aware.

Taunt duration is probably the biggest factor in threat generation. So more of that and less of the debuff should be alright, if that is the sacrifice to make although I don't think everyone can agree but I prefer aggro control over defense. How many Brutes take taunt? All mine do, most don't and the power taunt has a lengthy duration. Having said that Brutes are likely to steal an AVs attention off of a Tanker with taunt unless with taunt you are in melee to get the threat. Your threat is higher the closer you are. I've had to use taunt in melee just to compete with Brutes sending aoes the wrong way into team.

When it comes to AVs and Brutes you're going to need taunt to get aggro. They gauntlet, deal good damage and have possibly a better aura. When it comes to AVs and anyone in team you probably need taunt anyway, aura has a tohit penalty. How needed is taunt to get through the lower levels compared to the higher? Not as much although I do get it for GMs and AVs that you can see from 12 onwards really. So in lower levels with few gauntlets and slots to use a longer duration would be beneficial. At higher levels taunt is a godsend anyway.

I realise that you would advance to the next spawn sooner, in this case with pugs you might have a controller with you at all times no matter if you ask them to stay with the team or not and clean up. I do know one person who said that a good controller would move with the tanker but I disagree with needing controllers let alone have one aoe immob a group I'd be trying to do things with. So taunt would help there if you could spam it around bare in mind that itll rechg for an average lvl 20-25 person roughly 7 secs. Sometimes teams are there before you know it and sometimes your just in one of them teams you cant leave behind. They might play like crap but if you don't try to do your job "that's you that is" and team disbands afterwards. You can't always leave pugs behind. That bad. In the name of fun in such teams better aggro control could help.

I haven't checked gauntlet in a while and I do test things just because of a new patch. It could be old info, but it confirms to me its still good info. If the tankers attack don't land then there is no gauntlet. I am just unsure of how much of a crutch taunt should be with WP, spamming it around under -rechg conditions is along recovery to make. Taunt is potentially a crutch with anyone who likes to do anything in any team make up no matter what on any tanker. I take it to not end up min/maxxing teams to get anything done. No matter what peoples concepts lets try and work as a team, get things done and maybe have some fun.

A slower pulse is why I like people to attack after I pbaoe, it is why Ice picks off aggro quick with the aura alone but its the duration that allows some time between attacking something and potentially getting something else off of someone.

I just dont see 1.25s penalizing the tank as much as it could be penalizing players with that tanker. I've seen tankers taunt whats they are attacking in melee instead of helping out some blaster held a few feet away with 5 mobs on them. I'd be penalized for teaming with a WP if they were a WP for sure because aggro would be everywhere but for the npc he'd be focusing on. Incidentally he shot off ahead but pugs being pugs went off on another route the blaster had been the only one of two to try and help him.

I think out of them only the KB to Firetankers really counts, just on how the bigger need to do something about it yourself. Invulns can +hp at the least and pretty much almost get any defender to help them well enough with psi. Dark tanks don't need to run oppressive gloom if its a problem. Where else do Firetankers suffer? Well as I remember being lvl 22 in DA you could run in and be totally debuffed so your aura affected no one, all them damage ticks missed unless you acc'd well. Needing slots in other places to and dam and end reds in the aura and from that day onward I would never have a Firetank without Build up.

Willpower in the first few seconds will have their aura autohit but then all mobs could end up being dispersed by someone and then they'd say taunt, which should by a storm shaman be probably -rechgd, their running speed slow too. Death Shamans should iirc reduce what tohit a Willpower tanker has and so they may not land hits. But its alright that taunt will rechg with whatever slotting they have around level 20-25 in say possibly over 10secs nobody has due to that -rechg. This is a downfall that is more likely to affect other players not just the tanker imo and unlike the Firetank, Dark tank and Invuln there is not as much that it can do about the aura. Firetanks can get kb prot and use build up, dark tanks don't have to run OP but could get quicksand one day and Invulns can get res to psi and def to psi.

I am going to have to test that with a new WP tanker as I have had mine, over well, since they come out and DA is a bit low for me. Exemping with overleveled toons is wrong as the slots will be there. Between 20 and 25 you can only use so many slots. I picked on DA as thats where Castle went with his Firetank and earned great xp, I did it but since I done it I see it as a great zone to see how well you put up with secondary effects.

Too much trade off means other people can get aggro too easily in the lower levels, particularly with new players I'd imagine. Hard to datamine that so a duration atleast so taunt rechgs again say an acceptable average of 5 secs might be alright.

Not to me, I've read those sites, I am only interested in fun aspects. A lot of people don't read them sites, build and play their own way in game. Given that I'd be 100 % sure that sometimes someones RTTC will lose aggro when other types of tankers will not. This loss can be counterproductive to peoples ideas of fun.

That's with Taunt Sarrate. I am talking about mobs say 17 of them, during the first few secs. The first few secs where you have taunted 5 and aura'd some and hoped that gauntlet hit. Gauntlet is not autohit now is it? You can't promise that that is going to always be there. Something for any reason is not in your aura all of a sudden due to a KB can suddenly remember or think of someone else in no time. That no time whilst taunt is recharging which is what I am getting at but it aint sinking in anywhere with anyone. That time under great amount of tohit debuff in Dark Astoria when tankers don't have that many attacks anyway and so gauntlet aura could be poo. Under slow conditions, likely in DA as you only have to check out what them Shamans can be packing for powers.

Yes it would threat level but the additional duration would actually better help keep mobs interested in you the moment they left your aura. That debuff is not enough. It doesn't do anything for threat really unless the taunt duration is there with it. I just think it would give additional time for anyone to get any suddenly lost npc back before that npc does something to someone. Sacrificing that if we had to for that extra taunt duraion would actually be better for aggro control.

I don't rarely pug at all and I do expect people to play how they like and not like to be told otherwise which can mean that often players will do things that can frustrate another player. Frustrations are something that devs can limit in a game. I do not think all auras should be too great neither but this one does not allow time for recoveries as much as others. It's nothing to do with build numbers that I would make a thread on this, it's to do with past forum comments so now I am trying to just hash this one out, not win it, just try to make sure that all that can be said is said.

I don't know how many WP tankers are out there losing aggro or keeping it. I just know that now and then some people with RTTC are losing aggro to Scrappers or Blasters and wanted to know if its counterproductive to fun in anyway.

If you've read any of my posts then perhaps you may of realised that I do know and saved yourself sometime on writing this.

Yeah I remember asking for more range when this first came out. I think rather than being able to add range enhancements they could maybe increase the range on it by a few feet.

I suppose you could call Oil Slicks damage as a debuff to fight duration.

I think of WP as overall no better than Invulns really, no better than Stonetanks. If I get the slightest bit of lag and am a bit late on recovering something that has spent 1 sec out of my aura somebody else may have a problem. 1,25 secs don't even allow for lag conditions.

I don't doubt it. I don't doubt it with most forumites. Would not RTTC be better with a slightly longer duration so that taunt is not so much of a needed power? If it doesn't make a difference to good players with good builds then would it not be more fun and paceful for players teamed with bad Willpower tanker players with bad builds if Willpower kept aggro longer?

It's not penalizing Willpower players who don't care.

On this a seperate post just to clarify. I asked my scrapper friend to turn off his aura and attack a mob whilst it was in my RTTC. I already knew he wouldn't pull what was in RTTC, the test was to see how long it would be before the NPC would forget me as soon as I remove my RTTC. It was immediate so as soon as something out of the aura it's potentially anybodies. I just don't think its a sacrifice for the WP tanker unless they pride aggro control and/or play in the pugs. It's practically a penalty on the pugs for playing with a WP tanker. Maybe it should be if they don't aim to keep mobs close to the WP tanker but whether they see it that way I am not sure.

Your disagreeing with me telling me stuff I already know, thought about and disregarded before starting the thread. I'm not interested in comparing tankers and their pay offs, I am just interested in whats considered fun and whats not considered fun.

Picture you on a blaster with a willpower tanker, somebody elses, they built their way, at 20-25 and then they play their way and consistently lose aggro quickly. How many times would you say get aggro and killed before you decide its not fun and leave? How too hard should it be to lose aggro? 1.25s is almost negligible when a tanker is moving. Gauntlet is negligeable versus -rechg, -tohit and eventually end drain. Taunt hits 5 at a time but you wait 5 secs between say if that if your lucky at 20-25, chances are they didnt pick up taunt and its on a 10sec rechg or longer due to -rechg.