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Quote:Put an empowerment station in your SG base and keep crafting empowerment buffs, then delete the buffs and craft them again, lather, rinse and repeat.Originally Posted by Devlin_Quaid
Currently, I am on the last badge before master artisan for Field crafter...I have done it all in 2 sittings.
I come to you forumites on bended knee...what's the easiest way to get the last 500 (0_0) for Master artisan?
EDIT: Apparantly i was wrong on the name, Master Craftsman, not master artisan -
Quote:I have to admit that was tempting to pursue on one of my alts, but I passed on it.Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Yeah, I still have over 200 shards after doing this:
My goal is to "get them all".
What would be cool though is this: lets say you decide to put an alt on the musculature path of Incarnation, then decide to switch to one of the others: wouldn't it be nice if we could breakdown the previously crafted booster into some shards? -
Quote:That is about the ONLY good thing for running so many of the weekly TF/SF for the badges.Originally Posted by Turgenev
Gotta say tho... great way to build up shard reservoirs on your badger that way. (presuming you're doing the lvl 50 TFs)
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Quote:Agreed, but as I postulated above: they used Kevin's disc to leave the system so that Clu 2 couldn't get his hands on it. Each person or program's disc contains everything they do or learn, in the case of a user if the disc also records brainwaves/personality then its possible that Kevin's disc could be used to create a backup copy of him that could still exist within the system and work to creating a new and improved Grid.Originally Posted by Lord_Nightblade
Even Jeff Bridges? Legacy seems like it was written in such a way that Bridges could exit the franchise if he wanted to do so.
Or the explosion that occurred when Flynn forced Clu 2 to reintegrate with him wasn't fatal for him as he thought it would be. Yes the explosion took down the command carrier and the bulk of the grid, but who is to say that Kevin couldn't reintegrate himself? He was in the system for a long time and knows things about it that even Clu 2 didn't.
I know one upgrade I'd make to the grid: the portal can be opened from the inside but only by the user and his identity disc that way no programs can slip out. That way the danger of being locked in becomes moot. -
Quote:Yeah the in-between story should be cool. I still suspect that Dillinger jr and possibly his dad will be the next menace for the movies, and if THEY are.....well that can easily mean a new Sark and MCP.Originally Posted by Lothic
It's kind of interesting how they seem to maneuvering the TRON story into the same kind of grand plotline that Lucas developed for the overall Star Wars saga.
With the two TRON movies we now have a "before" story, a gap of like 20 years where new stories can be generated, and a "final" story. Like Star Wars it seems like they are going to explore the 20ish year gap to explain how things got from the "before" story to the "final" story.
Frankly I'm more interested in the animation series that deals with that "gap" between the two main story areas than a sequel that goes farther in the future than Tron:Legacy.
Given the antique computers that the MCP ran on in TRON compared to now and how programming language has evolved, and how easily the MCP was invading every system in TRON including Strategic Air Command and was planning on the Kremlin and Pentagon next........imagine what a modern version of the MCP could do. -
Quote:Yeah I hear the animated will tell some of the story between Tron and Tron Legacy and that TRON is apparently searching for a new program to be the next Tron and fight against Clu 2.Originally Posted by Unknown_User
Enjoyed Legacy, I think that a part 3 might be nice to see. There's also a Tron series in the works also.
Considering the events of Legacy I'm guessing his pupil failed
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Well the DVD of TRON LEGACY arrives April 5th in many packages. Rumors are that a bonus on the disc may well be a sneak peek at TRON 3.
Having read around, it looks like the movie did about 392 million world wide and a sequel is green lit with rumors of the Dillingers as the villains (yes plural, father and son.)
Could be interesting, and I think I know of a way get Flynn back.
In the movie his ID disc was stolen and given to Clu 2 and then they got back. Flynn then anticipates Clu and plays the old shell game by switching discs with Quorra. Thus when Sam and Quorra leave they take Kevin's disc while Kevin makes the big sacrifice.
However the disc is more then just the golden ticket and master key as Flynn put it.
"everything you do or learn is imprinted on your disc". So your knowledge and memories are there, and quite possibly brainwaves/personality if you are a user though that isn't confirmed. But IF that is the case, then if Sam decides to rebuild the Grid and he still has his father's disc, that disc could conceivably be used to recreate Kevin or perhaps more accurately, Kevin 2.0. This backup copy of Kevin would have all his memories up to the point of his disc being taken in the End of Line club since he didn't seem to interface with it to update it before switching discs with Quorra.
All they need to do is tell him what he is and what happened with Kevin and Clu 2 and then he can decide to either stick around and pursue the dream of building the Grid or derezz himself if he doesn't think he should exist.
If Quorra can leave the Grid then I'd say anything goes since she is more a program then a human. So booting up a back up of Kevin could be done
I can also see his disc still being coveted for all the secrets, ideas and knowledge that he had.
I wouldn't be surprised though if TRON 3 involves Dillinger Jr attacking the company from within with his father working on the outside somewhere to attack Encom and if such is the case I'd expect a new MCP and a Sark 2.0 to arise, in which case TRON will be needed once again. Alan in the real world aiding them while Sam and Tron are on the Grid saving the day from within the system. Could be a good thing.
Also can we please cast the actor that played Sam Flynn as the son of Indiana Jones instead of Shia? -
Quote:Hey now, don't diss the Duke! He's finally returning!Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
I hope you will contribute your reasons for such optimism to this thread.
In the meantime, a supposed early draft of the script from 2008 has been leaked on the 'net. Here's its introductory crawl text:
That leaves plenty of room for ... improvement ... for Mr. Whitta. (Incidentally, I see that in addition to screenwriting credits for the distinctly middling Book of Eli, he also contributed to Duke Nukem Forever.)
* No, not that "The Event". This is a completely different The Event.
Seriously though, there is room for improvement in that, since as I read that I somehow think of Escape from New York. -
Quote:Well I got 50 50's and they all have some badge progress due to game play. I would send them off to get all the map badges since I pretty much have them memorized now and the 5 merits per zone does add up. Along the way they'd get the plaques since some of the those are accolade components. After that, wrap up kill badges that are started and unfinished then get the accolades. Beyond that I wouldn't bother with all the rest.Originally Posted by Bohmfalk
I can definitely see that....if I had multiple toons with so many badges, it would be a shame to let them fall by the wayside.
For the MO's I have 21 alts (blackjack) dedicated to them and they are all winners so that goal is pretty much done.
But now only one is going to seek them all. Time constraints, plus some of the grind for some of the new badges (partner set) has cut down my urge for multiples. -
Quote:Now that has possibilities. Perhaps they can also remake INFRAMANOriginally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
I am so down for a Guyver remake. Give it to the Wachowskis.
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What really put a crimp on my urge for two badgers was the recent set of badges for assisting others on the Weekly TF. I don't mind multiple runs as it helps stock up on inf, merits, incarnate shards/components, but the 50 TF requirement for the full set to me is a tad much. Possible to do in a hurry with grinding as one of my badgers did, but still.....
My other one is trying to wrap this set but many lag spikes on ITF killed my urge to grind ITF for it, and I'm not sure if Tin Mage is going to be a good one to grind.
I'm likely going down to one badge hunter, all my one needs is to wrap the Partner badge and Immortal badge and then I'm likely sticking with that alt as my badger. -
Quote:Y'know....I did contemplate that idea and pretty much decided no. 4 dedicated badgers....ugh.Originally Posted by DarkGob
Of course there's a point. You have to have one Hero badger, one Villain badger, one Rogue badger, and one Vigilante badger.
What a silly question. -
Like the thread title says: is there a need now for having two or more alts dedicated to getting every badge possible in the entire game now that we can change alignments?
Some of the in game badges aren't quite as fun to obtain as others for varied reasons that need not be excessively debated. Of course fun, like many things, is relative to one's own vagaries of perception, and different people have different views on different badges.
In any event, the main question is simply: is there a point to having two or more dedicated badge hunters now? -
Quote:And at least the second movie didn't have Jimmie Walker as a rapping Zoanoid....Originally Posted by Father Xmas
2nd Guyver movie was better, well at least more serious (it stared Solid Snake).
Not a lot you can do with rubber suited monsters in bright light and make them realistic and/or scary. -
Quote:The first live action Guyver movie is best forgotten. I mean seriously when you have J.J. from Good Times starring as a rapping Zoanoid, the movie just screams epic failure.Originally Posted by Cynical_Gamer
Don't forget the Guyver movies.
The second one was vastly better and actually watchable......when nothing else is on.
To be honest with CGI tech nowadays the Guyver is something I wouldn't mind seeing done, provided that it's done right. Make the Chronos (Kronos?) Corporation the global threat that it is, get some good dialog and cast and get the Guyver into the action.
For the most part the plot of Guyver is pretty straightforward, transform and fight the Zoanoids and stop Chronos. Throw in the alien origins and you could get a pretty good movie out of it. -
Quote:Yeah. Much as I liked Brightest Day, it's getting a bit long in the tooth. Wrap it up, already.Originally Posted by Veritech
So has Brightest Day.
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I have never been keen on the idea of any anime being converted to live action movies either due to:
1. Weak budget
2. Weak FX
3. Ignorance of the property they are converting either on the part of the producer, director, cast, sponsors or all of the above.
Remember the live action Street Fighter movie with Van Damme? Putrid.
Remember the live action Fist of the North Star? YUCK.
Remember the live action Dragon Ball Z movie? ICK
I shudder to think what will become of AKIRA, I have minimal hope for the live action Ghost in the Shell and Cowboy Bebop movies also. -
One thing I think many of us can agree on is this:
The original movie was meant to be a one time only deal, despite a sequel clause in the contract for Lambert and Connery. A sequel wasn't really intended (or well planned as HL 2 demonstrates) and the movie stands alone.
What some fans I think miss though is that the TV series RETCONS the end of the movie so that yes Connor fights and defeats the Kurgan but NO it wasn't the final gathering and Connor doesn't get the prize. I did some checking and some recent Highlander comics show that Connor and Kurgan clashed a few times over the centuries and that Kurgan's quickening ended up being a Dark Quickening for Connor until Duncan was able to help him.
Or simply put:
Highlander universe A: the first movie only.
Highlander Universe B: the first movie retconned as stated above followed by the series and then Highlander 4: Endgame.
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Quote:Many things in the movie were not explained such as just how Kurgan knew Connor. the proximity sense that alerts immortals that another is nearby is pretty short ranged so Kurgan would have to be in the Macleod village to sense Connor as an immortal and someone like Kurgan would stick out like a sore thumb in the village. As for Kurgan trying for Connor's head in the battle field, well that IS the only way to kill an immortal and would guarantee that a pre-immortal wouldn't regenerate and arise.Originally Posted by Samothrake
Yeah, Connor felt the Kurgan, and the feeling in the movie was described akin to sudden nausea, or feeling ill. But the strange thing about Connor and the Kurgans first meeting is that the Kurgan already knew that Connor was immortal or would be immortal. He even knew his name, and had made a deal so that no others would kill him. Im of the opinion that Connor may have already been immortal, because the Kurgan tried to take Connors head right there on the battlefield.
However, Connor didnt feel Ramirez the first time they met. At least not for about 10 seconds. But then again, he was busy with Hether at the time. Funny how both the Kurgan and Ramirez seemed to know who and what Connor was before they met. Now I can kinda see Ramirez wandering the Highlands and hearing stories when he stops in Glenfinnen, then deciding to see what they were all about. But just HOW did Kurgan know about Connor beforehand?
Having done a rewatch this evening, I can say that this scene is rather ambiguous. Yeah, we see Connor on a bed wrapped up in bandages and his two-faced girlfriend wailing over (Hes a Highlander by God. The last thing he hears should not be that of a wailing woman!) his body. However, the priest also gave him last rights and Connors eyes are wide open and hes awfully pale. If you listen carefully, you hear very shallow breathing, almost a death rattle. And then we pull out with a electrical type flashing to the next scene. Couple this with somewhere in one of the movie versions of learning that Ramirez first died by being run over by a card in Egypt, and we could probably conclude the Connor breathed his last and the flashing was his immortality kicking in. Im not saying thats right, but its one interpretation.
Its not quite Connor getting falling out of the boat, Ramirez paddling away (you cant drown you fool, youre immortal!), and then Connor on the bottom. Theres a several seconds of him sinking to the bottom screaming all the way! By the time he reaches the bottom and starts to look around himself in wonder and start laughing, there shouldnt be any air in his lungs. Were not really given how long he was underwater, but it was enough time for Ramirez to get back to shore, start a fire, and have it burn down quite a ways. Connor was pretty much dropped off in the middle of that lake. Theres no way that he should have had any oxygen in his lungs by the time he got to shore.
Now on to some other topics, since I'm on a roll here:
One thing that I noticed in my quick re-watch is that the two quickening we see the Kurgan gain do not have the flashy electrical effects that we see with Connors. When he defeats Ramirez, he stretches out his arms and slowly, with what looks like great effort, brings his hands together in front of his chest around his sword hilt. He does this again after taking Kastagirs head in the alley. Its not until after he does this that a single lightning bolt strikes the tower he is standing on in Ramirezs case. And theres no lightning at all in Kastagirs case, just a whole lot of exploding glass. Its almost as if he is somehow resisting the whole lightning effect with his ritualized actions. Weird.
As for Holy Ground, Ramirezs line is Youre safe only on Holy Ground. None of us will violate that law. Its tradition. Right there we dont know if its actually a rule or tradition. But the Holy Ground part really isnt explored in the movie, other than that scene with Connor and the Kurgan in NYC.
At the very end of the movie, while Connor is receiving the Prize he speaks these lines: The Quickening is what powers me! I feel everything! I know! I know everything! I am everything!
And lastly:
In the movie, it seems like when two Immortals get together there is atmospheric disturbances. Both the first time Connor met the Kurgan, and within seconds of meeting Ramirez the sky clouded up and lightning struck all around and rain started. In fact, I think every time in the first movie that Immortals fought there was rain and lightning. This gathering of power, its disturbances, and the sensation it produced in Connor was what Ramirez actually called the Quickening at least in their first meeting. Later in the training montage theres brief, maybe 30 second, scene-lette where Ramirez shows Connor a stag. He then proceeds to give Connor some sort of telepathic/empathic lesson where they feel the stag. I dont believe that I have seen anybody expound on this little snippet of the movie.
As to the atmospheric disturbances, I chalk that up to dramatic license for the movie as well as the fact that they didn't expect Highlander to become a money making franchise.
As to the quickenings early in the movie not having lighting, I chalk that up to budget problems and not having properly defined what the Quickening is at the time.
Holy Ground was expanded upon a bit in the Third movie and the Season 5 episode "Little Tin God". basically the implication is that the heavens will frown upon an immortal beheading another on holy ground.
Connor was dying from Kurgan's wound, while the scene is a bit ambiguous I think it's safe to say he died and then regenerated. -
Quote:That was back in late Season 4 when the Watcher's were experiencing many deaths of their agents and blamed Joe telling Duncan of the Watchers and put Joe on trial.Originally Posted by BrandX
I recall one episode where a watcher cut off an immortals head, and Duncan and another Immortal got the quickening.
Duncan intervened and spoke for Joe in the trial under the condition that if Joe is guilty so is Macleod and both would die. Much evidence was brought against them and evidence was brought out to show that if Joe and Duncan hadn't allied with each other that Horton and Kalas wouldn't have been stopped. The head of the tribunal though was a stubborn idiot and was ignoring alot of it then stopped the trial and had summary judgment rendered when he learned that his son was just killed.
Turns out that during Horton's hunts, an immortal named Jacob Golati and his immortal wife were attacked. Horton took her head and Jacob got her power but escaped, and then later learned of the Watchers and began hunting them. He was captured with the aid of Joe and the head of the Watchers beheaded Jacob and Duncan was within range and received the power. Duncan escaped and later came back to hunt the head of the tribunal and easily go to him and "convinced" him to cease and desist any more retributive hunts against the immortals with a few scare tactics. Later Joe tells Duncan that teh Watchers are reorganizing and that the head of the tribunal was retired. This incident though put a heavy strain on their friendship that wasn't mended until Season 5. -
Quote:The Captain Planet jokes started way back in Blackest Night when it was first suggested that all rings and their lights must combine..Originally Posted by TheBruteSquad
Normally Gutters ranges from 'quaint' to 'pretty good', but they did miss the mark on this one. People have been making Captain Planet jokes since the first mention of the White Lantern.
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Quote:It is quite possible that despite laughing underwater that Connor did not use all his air supply.Originally Posted by Starjammer
Except that Connor did feel the presence of the Kurgan before the battle even began, which series proto-immortals never did.
Also, Connor's wound was fatal but never actually killed him; we see him lying agonized but alive after the Kurgan is driven away. Cut to the scene later that night where he is up and uninjured while his clansmen look on suspiciously. At no time does anybody say "You were dead!" They express disbelief that he didn't die.
It seems pretty clear to me: Ramirez rocks the boat, throwing Connor overboard and rows away while Connor is thrashing in the water, unable to swim. Cut to Connor sitting calmly on the bottom of the lake, looking around and laughing. (Air bubbles come out of his mouth when he laughs but that was just a practical matter of filming the scene.) Cut to Connor creeping out of the water at the lake's shore, trying to sneak up on Ramirez. Nowhere does it show Connor suffering from lack of air, or "dying" until retrieved.
But in the series, it explicitly shows drowned immortals not reviving until air hits their lungs. An obvious difference.
In any event, yes the series did alter some things and clarify a few others such as the fights being one on one only, and gave expansion on the holy ground rule other then "it's tradition". So it's all good.
Fights are one on one since the power only goes to the one that did the beheading: in season 1 when Amanda first appeared, Duncan beats down the villain of the week but before he beheads him Amanda stepped in and cut down the villain and the power went to her while Duncan stood and watched. This was shown again in ep 100 when Duncan cuts down Caspian and dives off the bridge with the power flowing to him and not to Silas who was only a few feet away. At first my impression was that fights were one on one out of an unspoken code of honor until these two events showed why.
Holy Ground: not just "tradition" but a major implication that the heavens do not take kindly to an immortal killing another immortal on holy ground. Whether this applies to an immortal killing a mortal on holy ground isn't known, but it doesn't apply when a mortal kills and immortal on holy ground as shown when the Hunters killed Darius in his church.
Makes one wonder if the immortals are angels and devils fighting for control of Earth for their respective side..... -
Quote:The Prize is open to speculation as to what it truly is. The only valid description is that it is all the quickenings and knowledge of all the immortals combined into the last one. Knowledge IS power, yes. But what else would the Prize do? Is it wish fulfillment, thus becoming mortal in the case of Connor, and an eternity of darkness if one like Kurgan gets it? Also what would happen if the recipient of the Prize were to be killed, either be being decapitated or ground to pieces, or dying of old age?Originally Posted by Starjammer
I always took it as implied that the transition to mortality was a choice for the victor to make, part of the Prize.
Connor became mortal because that's what he wanted: to be able to live, love, grow old and have kids with his wife.
The Kurgan, OTOH, loved immortality, power and the ability to inflict pain, so that's probably the Prize he would have gotten.
It's all speculation, and even METHOS doesn't know. 5000+ years old and even he doesn't know for sure what the game is all about or the true nature of the Prize. Either none of the first immortals ever knew or the secrets were lost.
And no the Prize is not going home to Planet Zeist
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Quote:Connor did not become immortal until he died after the Kurgan sliced him up in the battlefield. Dying is still needed to activate the immortality.Originally Posted by Starjammer
Actually, there are two different "flavors" of immortality between the movies and the series.
In the original movie and pre-series sequels, immortals are pretty much invincible to mundane injury. Connor gets "drowned" in a lake but doesn't need to breathe and just walks out across the bottom. The Kurgan gets shot to cheese with an SMG and it barely slows him down; the wounds obviously heal in a matter of moments.
The series and subsequent movies, OTOH, use the "die and get better" approach. Probably because it gives more narrative freedom to challenge the characters.
Also, movies immortals seem to be just born that way. Series immortals only have the potential and require a violent death to kick-start the process; it is also implied, though never definitively established, that they're all foundling orphans.
I'm just kind of curious which approach the reboot may take.
Also, personal nitpick -- "Kurgan" is not the character's name, it's his tribal affiliation. So he's "the Kurgan" just as MacLeod is "the Highlander." His personal name is never revealed.
As to Connor not drowning in the movie, vs immortals "drowning" in the series.... that one is open to interpretation. An immortal regenerates injuries and wounds but I doubt their power manufactures oxygen and immortals still need to breathe. So if Connor used up all the air in his lungs he could "drown" until being removed from the water where his power would revive him.
Kurgan taking the SMG rounds and not being slowed, well he is the Kurgan and is a bit tough, but this was likely changed for the series. A gun shot wound will hurt an immortal and a shot that is fatal to us only temporarily stops them. Also they DO feel the pain and could conceivably black out from the agony of a bullet in the heart or head. Cut an immortal and they will briefly bleed until the wound seals up. Cut off an arm and it won't grow back, such as when Duncan "disarmed" Xavier St Cloud in Season 1, though if Xavier had been able to retrieve his severed arm and hold it in place, maybe it would have reattached but that is speculation.
Throat wounds, if deep enough will leave a scar on an immortal and likely damaged their vocal cords, Kurgan and Kalas are examples of that. This would be due to a throat wound being dangerously close to decapitation. -
Quote:In both the theatrical and director's cut he tells Brenda that he is like her now, mortal, can grow old and have kids.Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
This is in the Director's cut of the original film, if you can find it on DVD. Connor becomes omniscient and all-powerful. I don't think him becoming mortal was mentioned. The Prize was godhood, not mortality. (Mortality's kind of a sucky prize, after all.)
Yet he's also omniscient......