Miladys_Knight

Ok, to pull a Turbo_Ski:

Why would I take such a situational power as Vengance? If I'm doing my job properly no one will ever be defeated and I'll never get the chance to use it.....

Unless.... I intentionally and selfishly let them die so that I can use Vengance and to get an endurance discount from Vigilance.

If my team is all ready at the soft cap the bonus defense from Vengance is wasted. The extra status protection only slightly better than Dispersion. If the team needs the to hit buff from Veng then there is bigger problems than a selfish defender.

That leaves the damage boost which you would have gotten as a contribution from the teammate that you let face plant in the form of direct damage from a blaster or as a buff/debuff from another defender or controller.

None of my Force Fielders have Vengance and the times that I could use it are much fewer in number than the times I have gotten use out of Force Bubble.

Selfish Defenders are a much worse problem than a glory hogging tank. They fail intentionally at the role they are supposed to fill on the team all for the sake of a temporary buff.

A foolish n00b tank can be taught to be team friendly. A selfish Defender knows his role, fails at it intentionally, is hostile to the team, and can't be taught anything.

I have. Perhaps you should take your own advice and read the thread in it's entirety. I fully support the OP's actions and view points (and have posted such) as they mirror my own.

I fervently disavow play styles such as Turbo's. While it may work well for the defender inherent to have several defeated teammates, it isn't team friendly play, and it's the antithesis of the defender AT.

And what do you do when the jerk brings them back to the rest of the team? Blame the team for running with a jerk or do you play DEFENDER and defend your team to the best of your abilities with your full range of powers?

I know what I do. You've made it pretty clear what you do.

You've put your finger in the sore. We have seen from Turbo's previous posts a belief that the single melee toon on the team (the tank's) fun is more important than the entire rest of the team having fun. Turbo has a belief that making sure that tank is having fun is more important than people who are just sitting at the keyboard watching because an inept tank failed miserably at fulfilling his team roll and face planted them. The fun of the other 7 team members is of no consequence when the fun of the tank is threatened in anyway.

I think that Turbo is just jealous that an FF/ can pull off a save in this way that a Cold/ can't.

It depends on your design and concept. If you plan on soloing alot you can use Sirens and pick the spot you want to use Drain Psyche for maximum effect. That will boost your regen.

You can also put the Call of the Sandman heal proc in Sirens and it will check on every target you hit. Those 2 things will allow you to skip Aid Self if you play smart leaving you free to take Assault.

You could try this one.

44.6% Melee defense
42.1% Ranged defense
41.5% AoE defense

At level 32. The powers above that are unslotted so those are the numbers you should have at level 32. You could even solve that problem with one of the PvP +3% global defense IOs.

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You really think that the FFer is only SUPPOSED TO USE 4 POWERS? Last time I checked there were 9 powers in that set and a secondary that has 9 powers too. Clearly FF must be way over powered if all that are required are the 4 you mentioned.

You'd be surprised. My FFers have their hands full keeping leroying teammates alive even though I can soft cap them all if they play smart. There are also powers that can debuff defense and Auto Hit powers that require the FFer to use their wits. Soft capped defenses still allow 5% of damage in AND at level 32 when you can get Force Bubble you "may not" have all your defensive powers slotted for maximum defense since you need a good number of end reducers to do your job full time.

You really should PLAY forcefields before you spout off.

Force Bubble has a 1% chance of doing KD. That's not what you use it for though.

1) You use it to get melee mobs off the squishies in an emergency. This has 2 beneficial effects.

a) A reduction in damage. Most melee favoring mobs only have 1 or 2 ranged attacks, these attacks are usually longer animating than melee attacks and they do ~60% of the damage that melee attacks do.

b) Mobs in melee that are pushed out take a measurable amount of time to switch from melee AI to ranged AI.

This gives the time that is needed for most players to pop an inspiration or 3, use Aid Self, or to let stacked defense debuffs (such as Warriors and Romans do) expire.

2) In the proper locations on some maps Force Bubble can push MoBs out of the line of sight of teammates completely preventing further attacks until those teammates are ready to begin attacking again.

3) The perfect time to use Force Bubble is exactly as the OP did. In a situation where a tank that is poor at controlling aggro has exceed the aggro cap and hard hitting melee Mobs are closing on the squishies.

4) With a tiny amount of practice Force Bubble can be use to precisely pin mobs in corners, at the end of corridors, or against objects. Best of all you can bunch things up that get all strung out because they prefer range (like many council mobs, Cabal, and Fir Bolg) or things that resist taunt (like Cabal). This allows AoE focused ranged toons to quickly eliminate troublesome MoBs.

5) Pinning Mobs in a corner as the OP did also allows the tank to quickly re-establish aggro control on those mobs once the tank drops below the aggro cap. Those mobs aren't going anywhere and a tank that has exceeded the aggro cap sprays MoBs as badly as any poorly used KB ever could just a little slower but with out providing any mitigation since they are both closing on the squishies and aren't using any time standing back up. Once the tank has re-established aggro control the FF user can detoggle Force Bubble though usually the on the ball force fielder has given the blaster enough time to dispatch them before the tank has dropped back below the aggro cap.

Pushing MoBs with a 9 foot radius repulsion field isn't going to save anyone and it IS going to spray MoBs all willy nilly since the angle is so much narrower in the close quarters required to even try to use repulsion field in this way.

This is another indication that you haven't played FF nor read the OP. Force Bubble can be used to Speed teams up. A good FF player can push mobs that have left debuff patches (sometimes because the tank taunted them out of it) back into them. Since Force Bubble has a defined radius you push them there and keep them there (unlike many uncontrolled KB Powers).

I have on several occasions pushed mobs that the tank has herded out of RoA back into RoA (and other rain powers). It's very easy if the Archer has hasten active as the center of the RoA psuedo pet is clearly defined by the hasten artifact.

If you are a good Force Fielder, and talk to your team at the beginning of the mission, your debuffers will know to drop their patches in corners where your Force Bubble can not only push the mobs and stragglers, but keep them pinned in, even if there are more mobs than the debuff can affect or more than the tank can control the aggro on.

Its the same as when working with an Energy Blaster, tanks and debuffers should be working up against corners and objects where the mobs will be going anyway and increasing team effectiveness rather than reducing it.

You should try playing FF before making spurious claims. It decreases your creditability.

Telling me that my FF using toons (2 defenders, 2 controllers) can't save the team by using force bubble for KB or to pin mobs (which I have done on MoSTFs on more than one occasion) is not only false, it's disingenious.

I suppose you'll next be telling me that my Energy/Energy/Force Blapper (my main) that's slotted FOR KB can't possibly survive the RWZ challenge by using the KB for mitigation (that blapper has 7% defense to all postions and has succeeded in the RWZ challenge in 4 out of 4 attempts).

A tank, who's team roll is to control aggro, deserves to be annoyed by an on the ball, team saving, Forcefielder, using the KB in Force Bubble (or the mitigation in any other tool for that matter), when that tank fails miserably in their primary responsibility.

A defender who doesn't understand this deserves to play Cold/ instead of FF/

Pay no attention to this comment at all Fury. It's obviously coming from a player that plays cold and not FF.

You did the absolute best thing in the situation you were faced with. You had a choice to let the entire team die from the lack of play skills from a very poorly played tank or use your skills to save the team.

The first choice would have been negligence on your part (though you'd have gotten a nice endurance boost from the crappy inherent) the second choice was doing what a defender is all about.... protecting the team.

Had I been there and had the star I would have kicked the tank. You were being a team player. The tank wasn't.

Wow, how did you get the devs to give you healing arrow?

It takes alot of reason and logic to slay a thread that starts out with a juggernaut's worth of misconceptions. I doubt we've overcome the bag of hit points that it has, but we maybe slowly over coming its regen rate.

Lumi,

Your poor little duck is broken

I'd reccomend that you switch to Rad/Sonic. It's much more versatile for team support than Sonic/Sonic and solos well when no teams are available.

We have had dev posts in the past that pretty much sum up purples =/= casual. Purples aren't intended for casual players plain and simple. I doubt the devs are going to spend any time setting up your proposed mechanic since they didn't do any of the "easier" things (standard code rant aside) that would have used existing code fragments to implement.

Mocking Beratement has some nice set bonuses........

Well, ok, let me qualify that. I've never seen live ones. I've seen some that were splattered by Elite Chill Cannons during insta-base raids. (When those still existed).

The last ship raid I was on I saw a couple dead ones.

About 12 ITFs ago I saw a dead one.

I saw a stack of 6 dead ones once laying at the feet of a live blaster in a PvP zone. (When non-lame PvP existed).

A few months ago I saw a live one in Warburg while my blaster was getting nukes but he died a couple seconds after I saw him. (That was also back when non-lame PvP existed).

All the stalkers on my account died horrible deaths and their maggot infested electronic corpses were obliterated and swept away to make way for toons that weren't lame...... Like Dominators.

What's a Stalker? I always thought they were imaginary like Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and Honest Politicians.