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please un-remove @ziva and @void cause you guys can't have them! ziva is the face of our group!


you stop this poachery madness nao!

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The MoV for Whirligig would be 0, as they have no score. The groups who have fought and lost do have an MoV, and if they have no wins at all then that MoV is a negative. No MoV = 0. 0 > any negative number.

When a group agrees to a challenge then does not show, the blame should not be laid on the head of those who did show. If you would prefer we go exactly as the rules state then the PvP Captains can make this known here and we can rank groups accordingly. I find abandoning logic and fairness silly. In matters like this it is wise to have some arbitraion after the fact. I think it would be difficult to convince SW, ESK, and HR that Whirligig and The End out rank them and didnt even attend a single match.

Im not here to argue with you, and your accusations of an affinity toward any group in the ladder is laughable at best. If the captains of the SGs wish us to go exactly as the rules state then they can state it here and we will go on exactly how the round robin was presented.


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right.... whirligig and the end don't have a MoV = 0, that is if you followed you're own rules. they both have negative MoVs (that is MoVs that are less than 0), since they didn't fight anyone at all. they'd have the same damn record as any team that lost every match. because as YOUR RULES state, not fighting someone equals a loss. i don't see how you have such a hard time understanding your own rules....

following your rules would put whirligig and the end at the bottom of the ladder. somehow you don't understand that though..... maybe you need a picture drawn for you and someone holding your hand explaining it?

also going off of all the posts by all these various SGs, i believe that most of the SG leaders and even their members would prefer to go by the rules, as they are stated.... and not try to bend them for each individual circumstance that may or may not come to pass....

please re-read your own post stating how the round robin was going to be handled and what would happen if teams didn't fight one another, apply those rules and then go to your rules about the tie breaks and apply those rules. as they have already been plainly stated.

also i didn't say you had an affinity for any SG, you're reading something into my post that i didn't say. all i said is that you decided to bend the rules for the sake of being nice. just because you're being nice to someone or a group doesn't mean that you <3 them and do all you can to help them constantly. it just means you're being nice for that moment in time.

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Allow me to ask you this: Whirligig presented a roster and have stated they wish to participate in the ladder, yet they did no matches and therefore have a better standing than a group who had entered and acquired no wins. A group that has no wins has the same amount of wins, zero. So they effectively tie. To break the tie we would look at who beat whom, they did not fight one another so we then go to MoV. In MoV Whirligig has a 0 a team with only losses has a negative MoV. Now I did not touch on this in the rules but I think we can all agree that this should not be the case. Again this is a similar case, but not what we are discussing. I made the deicision in calling it a forfeit and a win going to JFaL because it is the right thing to do. Esk had agreed to the fight but could not field a team due to members


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this whole section to me says you don't understand the own rules that you laid out. whirligig didn't fight anyone.... thus they're 0-7 for that many teams being in the ladder. cause as the rule, that suddenly doesn't apply anymore, states they were in the ladder and didn't fight anyone so they lost all their matches and everyone else in the ladder also recieved a loss for whirligig not fighting (this isn't a big deal because it a loss to everyone and washes out as far as the major standings are concerned). so then whirligig has all losses and another team has all losses and the next tie breaker would be a head up competition.... well that didn't happen so that doesn't settle the tie. the next tie breaker in line is the amount of points/kills these SGs got during the round robin phase. well obviously whirligig couldn't have had a single kill at all and the other team(s) that actually did compete in the round robin would then get the tie breaker because they would have had at least one kill.

too bad that your own rules don't mean anything at all.


the real question would be where to rank "the end" and whirligig since they have no diffinitive tie breakers to establish order between them.


that is if we were to actually follow the rules that were clearly stated before anything even started to happen at all... too bad the rules obviously mean nothing anymore (yay, tier 3s anyone? holding off to the last moment to call all in? maybe even having fake DCs, to get maps you prefer?? all cheese is open when rules stop being followed to the LETTER). also great job understanding and up holding your own rules for this, mr. pvpec chair person and "commisioner of the ladder" you're making everything pointless before it has a chance to even begin.

sure it might be "just" to give jal the win, they would have won if they actually fought ESK, i'll even conceed that much.... however, the rules are the rules and life isn't fair. you have to do what the rules say or all the rules are pointless from that point forward. it's just the way it breaks down, it's a tough break for JAL.... and if they're such a great team like psypunk keeps insisting then they'll beat FoL and OS and take the spot back and keep it in two weeks time.

also just for extra kicks, that "KK" could have been in responce to a number of things that were said before in AC and not directly meant for JFAL. those screenies don't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that ESK agreed to a match with JFAL immediately following their other match.


i suppose this is all a moot point now. but GG, thanks for establishing early that the rules are very easily bent to favor whomever you want to be nice towards at that moment in time.

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as per official rules AT THAT MOMENT the match was OFFICIAL...they had 15 minutes to field a team and they failed to do so. They lose.


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Psydils.... please can you quote for me where that rule is? i seem to completely missed it and need to work on my reading comprehension



or maybe it's the fact that you're trying to use one set of rules that don't even apply the the specific situation at hand?

either way please quote the whole post you get that from and bold the rule specifically that you're refering to.

also respond to my other post please.... instead of avoiding it to talk more trash to people that are better PvPers than you are.

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To find where people will begin on the PvP Ladder we will be starting a round robin, this is where every group who has signed up will face one another. Initial ranking will be based first on win to loss ratio. Ties will be decided by who has beat whom. In an instance where that does not rectify the problem it will be based on margin of victory, and then on over all victories if mov still does not satisfy the problem. This is only for the initial ranking. We will begin this process on Sunday the 29th of July at 9 PM EST. It is requested that all groups who have signed up for the ladder be there. We will go until midnight. It is expected that SG Captains will set up their own matches. For initial ranking it is only 1 match, not 2 out of 3 so we can save time and get this ladder up as soon as possible. We will then meet up again on Wednesday August 1st at 9 PM EST going til midnight once again. It is expected that SG Captains will simply ask for matches over arena chat. Make sure you face every SG in the ladder on these two nights. If you do not face a group it will be counted as a loss for both groups. Also, all matches are to be reported to me. Please send the results of every match you have to me on the blue boards with score and who won. Both SG Captains must report these results to me so I can check for consistency. Any group who purposefully reports inaccurate results will be automatically placed at the bottom of the ladder.

The Groups who have signed up thus far with a roster are as follows:

Hell Raisers
JAL
Velocity
SW
Freaks
Old School
The End
Envy The Shadow King
Whirligig

As stated above, you have two nights for a total of 6 hours to face each one of these groups one time, make sure you do so.

We have come up with a prize for whomever is at the top of the ladder on the first of every month. Ex has agreed to give out forum titles on the first of every month to the SG who has the top spot on the ladder at the first of every month. The title must be the same for everyone. The captain of the SG will present up to 3 titles they wish to have and Ex will pick the most appropriate one.

I have been contacted regarding some rules people wish to have added, I need every SG captain to respond here and give a yes or no to the rules. Please do not debate here on why, make another thread for that.

Amendment 1: If a group is inactive for more than two months they are to be removed from the ladder.

Amendment 2: Bar code teams are not to be permitted. (A bar code team is where a team has almost the exact same name as to make spiking nigh impossible. This issue has arose from the new ability to change ones name.)

Please respond as such:

Amendment 1: Yes/No

Amendment 2: Yes/No


If you have any questions please feel free to contact me at TGIA_ here on the blue boards.




*Edit was to change date to July 29th

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normally i don't ever get into this madness on the forums, but please read through that post and tell me where it says that because two groups don't fight one group still gets a win for it.

this isn't about what would have happened if you guys fought, it's about what really did happen here in reality. and i'm sorry that JAL isn't number 1 cause they didn't get all their round robin fights done in the time set for it to happen. if you guys truely are a superior group, why do you not accept the rules and earn your spot? act like champions and stop trying to throw out all the 'what ifs,' 'ands,' or 'buts'.... just accept it and move on.

and if we're suddenly not going to be playing by the rules that were stated before any fights actually happened, why are we even going to have any rules at all?

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I don't think that any other SGs really care that you're at the top right now, its how you got there and the BS you're throwing around to justify it. That's what people are calling you on.

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i know _castle_ said it couldn't be done, but i still think it's a great idea. someone should get asigned to making this one happen.... it's just silly fun to be had here.

this is a paltry offering that resolves no issues at all that are generated by ED.... we'll still be using more endurance in the end and what about everything else that's getting scre.... well you know. how about cryptic just makes slotting for secondary effects in a majority of the powers actually useful and take away this and ED together? that in the end would achieve what is desired far better.... oh wait what's truely desired is to make gaining XP a lot more slow and increase death rates (who cares about the XP cap being cut in half if i'm still going to die more do to less defense and less ability to kill mobs) to generally slow the damn game down to a worthless crawl... i like seeing my hero progress and not having to spend a year to lvl thanks... whatever happened to the speed of the game being OK with statesman and was the reasoning behing the increase of xp in I5. oh well i suppose marvel is also making a hero based MMO. i suppose i'll just go and start looking into that... thanks for nothing.

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a SG costume slot where the creator of the SG is able to select costume options that are available to both male and female characters and is independant of the 4 slots given to a hero.

the ability to kick out leaders that are inactive, the guild creator thing is a good idea and the guild creator power should be also allowed to be passed to another person incase a SG leader that made the sg quits the game and is then able to hand ALL power to another hero that has no plans of quitting anytime soon. this would help free up SG space for SGs that have inactive leaders but can't get them out of the SG since they're a leader.

Larger SG numbers, i know this has been asked before and been denied before but it still is on the wish list. also could there be a reason given for not allowing SGs to get larger than 75 heroes?

SG banks where heroes are able to pool their influence and enhancements that they can't use but someone else in the SG could possibly use. it's bothersome trying to save those obscure lvl 51+ SOs for other heroes sometimes when you can't ever get a hold of a hero that could put use to it.

also can the "joined SG" list be fixed? currently that displays the last time the hero logged into the SG and not when they joined the SG over all, i did like that feature in the old SG tabs but it's been taken out and now is bugged.

Alliances and ways to communicate with other SGs and/or joing two SGs into being a massive SG through the alliance function.

I must say that sounds promissing thus far. I'm pleased to see you guys are working on things of this nature too. One other thing that I'd personally appreciate is if there was the ability to change the ctrl+mouse click to make a power be on auto-click. I personally have my alternate left straif button set to be the right ctrl button. As a result anytime I'm straif'ing to the left in battle and click on a power I either get an error message saying that the power isn't auto-clickable or I switch my auto-click onto another power that I didn't really want to have be on auto. Is there any chance you guys could do something to fix this? make it so that making something being on auto-click uses an ubscure button plus the mouse click instead of the ctrl buttons? The ctrl buttons do get used for other stuff and it appears that the Devs are looking at finding another use for the Ctrl buttons with this change that would make using that key more active and I would personally appreciate having a less used button to set the auto-click so I'd not have to worry about anything not working the way I want it to during a battle with those devious villains that plague the city.

I'd just like to make it known, with inspirations and strategy, I'm able to solo even the "Elite bosses" (atta and frostfire). So I don't really see how most people could have extreme issues trying to solo normal bosses. It is my opinion that bosses and their ilk are a bit too easy as it currently stands. AVs are generally push overs too, with the exception of maliase and black swan(if she's the AV that does siphon speed and phases in and out all the time, can't remember for sure at the moment). Tyrant especially is a sissy IMO since he's supposed to be the duplicate of statesman himself he should be tremendously hard. I think it would be nice if the AV's would require some sort of strategy to beat them instead of getting two friends and just whoopin them down head on. I am in a group that's working on taking hami down and I love the fact that he is the most strategicaly(sp?) based mob in the game. Sheer numbers wont take him down you simply have to know what you're trying to do and be smart about it. There needs to be more of that in the game as i see it, I enjoy having to use my brain over just mindlessly clicking buttons! That's what is going to make PvP so great, the brain behind the thing I'm trying to defeat isn't as predictable as the computer.