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Quote:Of course, you're missing that even the lowest ranking 'cop' in that world has still shown he has decided to uphold Tyrant's way of life. Thus, one doesn't really need to be in a very high position to have more power than the sheep who enjoy Tyrant's ideal, yet do nothing to support it. I expect this will be like '20s movies police, rampant corruption at all ranks, with only a few good apples that actually care about the people, more than their badge.Hero 1 said it at Hero Con - Tyrant's promotion system is based on the ability of an underling to defeat their boss.
That way, he'll always have the strongest or most devious people as his officers, and they'll always be trying to improve themselves to protect themselves from their underlings trying to take their position, and also giving themselves a chance to replace their own boss too. -
Quote:Who said they have to beat up on the people above them anyway? Those people are offering the Villain-in-training a venue for his violence and a steady supply of victims. It's like killing the Goose to get to the Golden Eggs inside.Well, there's the possibility that you'll get to beat up some of your bosses, as that's the way Tyrant likes his promotion system to work - like the Praetroian Police officer you're running errands for for the first few levels could be the end boss of a later arc where you have to prove your increased power to a new superior - so while you'd still be taking orders, you might still feel you were making progress through the ranks.
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Quote:On our way to being Heroes.As the Incarnate conent is contained in the zone events in the four new Praetorian zones, I think it's quite likely you won't have too much interaction with Arachnos or Longbow.
You might also be pleased to know that the Going Rogue system won't use contacts - so you'll be saved from further abuse and humiliation at the hands of Arachnos contacts
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She's got a badge that says she's an Arch Villain. I've got a badge that says my character is the Origin of Power. Given the reaction of our masters, the contacts I'd say neither one of them is really true.
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Would also like to comment that this:
Is unlikely. I know we talk about beating Recluse up as a Villain. Do you know what we get as a reward for doing so? We get to fulfill the very plan that he broke us out of the Zig for. [sarcasm]What an honor.[/sarcasm]
Seriously, the reason he breaks his new Servants out of the Zig is because one of his Fortunata saw that someone among them is strong enough to take down Statesman. Finding which one is the right one is something he calls Operation: Destiny.
Unsurprisingly to anyone, if a character is able to take down one Incarnate, he can take down another. Thus you become a threat to Recluse's reign and the world's safety. You them beat up future Recluse to show that you're not one to be messed with. As a result Recluse says he's going to stop Operation: Destiny, since it's too late to stop the war that would result because of it. And then he offers you the chance to go beat up Statesman, the very point of Operation: Destiny to begin with. -
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No, you really are just a servant, lackey or other word for minion. Even at 50, you're still bottom of the totem pole. And like you said, it's not going to change any time soon.
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Still doesn't change the fact that Heroes will be given free will on the Incarnate system, and Villains - no, Servants, because you don't actually get to be a Villain in that game - will be ordered about as usual.
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Quote:Not necessarily. All you need is a mission where you click a computer desk to download potential blackmail material, or an escort mission where the hostage has the same last name as the contact.edit: really, some of these contacts shouldn't even be villainous at all. Their arcs should be them giving you information they don't want you to have, but you do things to force it out of them.
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Have yet to see my clone in that mission, actually.
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Quote:And yet Heroes don't have Statesman shoved into every aspect of their lives. Heck it was several years before he was even seen in the game outside of a single instanced mission.As Recluse and Statesman are the two main Incarnates in the game lore, it seems quite possible that the Incarnate System might use them as a hook.
Something tells me Heroes will be able to explore the Incarnate idea of their own free will, without interaction from Statesman. -
That'd be my guess. The jig is up, after all.
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Has the background of Pocket D been similarly reclassified?
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Villains who are a threat usually get this treatment from those weaker than themselves. Minions of Thugs are the ones that usually don't.
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Quote:Or, more in line with the current mode of thinking, he's going to order you to Praetoria, because he doesn't expect you to survive and would rather save his Wolf Spiders for something important.Something like the Incarnate System could invovle you being sent by Recluse to investigate whatever it is that's going to be the source of it, and then double crossing him to get the power for yourself, making you an incarnate, and so you'd then be his equal in power.
Or you could be sent to Praetoria to investigate the new dimension because Recluse trusts you as an equal, and thinks only someone with your power would be capabale of the mission. -
To be honest, the new arcs really aren't anything special. They boil down just like any other to 'go here, kill this, click that'. And yet the new Villain arc is widely considered the best thing ever done in the game. Why? If I were to guess it's because D-Mac actually sees your character as a power and a real threat in the isles. He actually treats the character with respect, dignity, and decency. If it can be done here, why can't it be done anywhere else?
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Quote:No, not really.I'm pretty sure CoV lets you progress past the purse snatching phase of villainy
Lemme go back to your Scrubs reference from a few pages back. You mentioned thinking that Villains were JD to Recluse's Dr. Cox. To make it more accurate, let's imagine that there's someone that JD treats exactly like Dr. Cox treats him. Now let's further imagine that this person treats someone else similarly. We'll call that person at the bottom there Paul Chalmers, or PC for short. Now PX actually has the medical knowledge, credentials and expertise to outshine Dr. Cox, and in fact does so on a regular basis. And yet they still get crapped on by people who get crapped on. And why?
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Quote:Essentially; "Don't expect to be anything more than a purse snatcher, because you as a player Villain have no power, and can't even stand up to a level 1 minion."No - I think it's cool players can be villains as well as heroes - but they can't really expect the same treatment from the game, because the midnset of villains means their chosen path is going to be rougher than the heroic path.
No dice. We've not been asking to be revered like Heroes, but feared as someoen of the power we display in game. Just like Heroes, there's no NPC that can stand up to us. Yet none of them consider us more threatening than the dead ficus. -
Quote:Essentially, if you want to be treated decently by the game, you need to leave Villainy behind. Thus, City of Villains was a complete waste of time, effort and money and should be shut down.If you go from Villain to Rogue, and get access to Paragon City, doing evil there will tip you back to being a full villain, and you'd be locked out of the blue side until you did enough good deeds to become a Rogue again
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You're not listening. We don't have to actually do anything. It would just be nice if the NPCs would recognize that we COULD, and thus don't continually try to piss us off.
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Quote:Most Villains aren't in it for the publicity, either. Sure you get some like the Joker, who intentionally try to get one over on the Bat from day one, but most Villains actually try to keep their actions quiet and off the radar at first. It's only AFTER the Hero has messed every thing up that they start on the revenge ploys. And even then, some times it can take several trips to jail before it starts getting to them.So doesn't the failure of Arachnos make your success at killing, kidnapping, robbing a destroying look even better? Like you're the only competent villain in town?
Quote:I wouldn't really care - villains are the ego maniacs - real heroes just do what needs to be done, regardless of any praise they get