Lohenien

You are still failing to understand the 3 price points of goods. Floor, ceiling and actual value.

The floor is not the actual value and you are not entitled to it.

Think of it like this : Buy More normally sells new shiny tv for 799$, but black friday is tomorrow. Buy More puts new shiny tv on sale for 499$. For a limited time you can get the 800$ item for 500$. 500 is the floor while 800 is the ceiling. Once the new tv is not so new any more, the price normalizes to 600$ - the long term value of the TV.

What you are arguing is that new shiny tv should always be on sale at 500$.

No it doesnt. Why ? Because the cost of the IO itself is close to 2 million or as high as 3 million when rare salvage is not dipped in price.

In order to sell at a profit it needs to sell above the cost to make it. Some people do not sell above the cost to make it - they are selling too low.

When a flipper raises the floor price it makes the IO more attractive to sellers who would simply delete or vendor the recipes instead of crafting them.

Without flippers, the low prices would drive sellers away and you would have to wait longer and longer for IOs.

As people have said, as I have said, if you don't want to pay normal prices for IOs then you need to compete with flippers and bid slightly more on the low end. This is how market pvp works.

The market is not a store with set prices, get over it. Good luck trying to convince wholesalers to sell to you instead of Wal-Mart when you insist on paying less than WM does.

Yes. The normal price amounts are determined over time by supply and demand. Lazy people throw the equations off, while flippers restore values to normal levels.

You want to charge people an insane 70 million for regen tissues. I'm only charging 45 million. The floor on those ? 37 million. Why ? Because thats the floor I've set so long as I keep my bids there. Other people are bidding at 35 and 36 million. If they want to out bid me that will bring the price closer to the middle value of 40-45 million. This means the value of that IO has been shown to be 40-45m.

you put them up at 70 million that is why you fail. I've been flipping them for the last week and a half from 37m to 45m. Yours will never sell if I do not leave the niche. That is why you must pvp with me to earn the sales. You want to sell your stock ? List it lower than I do.

Like I said : normal range is 4-7m going rate is 10-15m. I buy at 1-2m and relist at 4.5m. Someone smart comes along and sees the last 5 in the 10-15 million range, but instead of just forking over 10-15m that person tries to bid creep. First that try a lowball 2 million, I bought all of the 2 million ones so there are none of those left. Next he ups his bid to 3 million. Still no dice. So he ups to 5 million and ding! He buys my IO for 5 million.

This saves the buyer 5-10 million compared to the last 5 sales.

This only works when buyers are not lazy and sellers are not lazy. Flippers are not lazy and thus we cause the market prices to go from 1m-15m to the normal range of 4m-7m.

Yes the low end comes up, because it TOO LOW. The high end comes down when people get smart and try bidding lower than going rates.

Flippers can't lower prices on their own, buyers have to participate in the market pvp as well. If I listed my IO at 4.5m and someone pays me 10 million for it - that isn't my fault.

flipping and manipulating/cornering are not the same thing. Flipping works within the bounds of normal sale prices. Lets say common salvage X sells between 1k and 50k normally. A flipper will come along and buy at 100inf then relist it in the 1k-50k range, keeping supply available in the normal price range. The person that sold to the flipper is not helping supply because the salvage disappears before normal range bidders get a chance at it. Flippers ensure that items move at a higher floor, they raise the low bar to a respectable level that encourages stable supply.

If no flippers existed then there would never be any salvage available. Why ? Because if everyone listed at 1inf the salvages would sell instantly and then you would always have to wait in line to get salvage. The flippers prevent things from being unavailable due to dumb people listing too low.

People like you are completely ridiculous. One : the market is not a store, two : the market is pvp. You cannot moan and groan about not getting everything for 1 inf. You cannot reasonably prove that flippers cause a rise in price while supply is completely bonkers due to AE issues.

You want a real world example here: Wal-mart. They buy at wholesale and resell things at a higher price to customers. Those 'higher prices' happen to be lower than most competitors prices. Wal-mart flips goods. The real life issue is that other people can't compete with Wal-mart because they can't get goods at low prices as easily.

In CoH, however, you can compete with joe Wal-Marty and take his low priced goods for slightly higher than he is paying. Joe bids 100 you bid 101. This is the simple math that shows how you fail at CoH markets.