Juggertha
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This piece is so stuning, it deserves to be bumped to the next page. -
so, is this the sign up thread?
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I'm excited to see how this progresses.
I'd be willing to chip in. -
It's sooooo cool that you're able to have your vision realized.
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Yeah, I'm getting the distinct feeling that everyone's opinion on a swipe is not the same.
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great idea
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Quote:Originally Posted by syrusb
horrible - how could you??
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I dig the original piece here. I'm working on my own 'Jugg vs TA' piece, and this has given me an extra little push.
Anyone feeling bad for TA of late? -
lol ^^
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I thought some people might enjoy this blog
Swipe of the week
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Wow, a great week for b-days!
Our parents must have been busy at a certain time of year. -
^^ hehehe... that's not the only thing I would like to blow on in that pic.
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Quote:Have you, or anyone, ever been given the assignment to 'remaster' an original piece of art? I mean, take a classic, and put a spin on it.Originally Posted by FrozenDeath
Again, copying to learn is a mainstay of traditional art instruction. But generally, you do a replication of the existing work where you replicate it as precisely as possible in order to learn technique. At which point you designate it as a study. The main art school in Florence is filled with thesis projects where the students replicated famous sculptures.
But these studies are exact replications . The degree to which they resemble the original is the objective standard for how well the student has mastered the technique.
This isn't the same thing as a paintover, where you use some aspects of a work and change others to suit your goal.
((Oh, and I'm not saying that was the case in my piece from 2003. That, as pretty much everyone knows, was done to work on my wacom painting skills.))
Not one slight bit of personal attack taken. I don't think you deserve any heat for your opinion. Even in the other thread, I didn't get the feeling that people were trying to make this personal, but rather have an honest discussion on the matter. That's why I made this thread. I'm embarrassed to see that old piece of mine so often nowadays, but /shrug, what can I do. As long as I've learned from it, I'm happy.Quote:Originally Posted by Pyro_Nympho
If you're still reading my rambling, I thank you for your time and consideration. I love you Juggy, and the Dr. too (amazing work btw). I sure I'll get some heat from this opinion, but it's just that...an opinion. I was merely fed up with this whole discussion, and figured I'd throw in my pennies. -
I think it's the 'skirting the edge' part that everyone seems to have slightly different takes on.
Dr.Destiny wrote this on the subject, and I thought I'd share it on this thread.
Quote:I'm not an art historian, but I've heard of many 'masters' copying other 'masters' - any art buffs out there able to confirm or refute this?I no longer subscribe to CoH, but still wander over to the boards there to have a look around, especially when I've just done a CoH based pic.
When I went in recently, I was shocked by the reaction to your using a pic for reference.
Every artist uses references. Alex Ross couldn't produce anything without his extensive use of photography. Vermeer's use of a camera obscura to trace real life for his paintings is well documented. Joe Quesada has recently published a blog on his use of photo-reference for a cover ([link]). I have a filing cabinet FULL of reference pics. I think it shows more in the art of those who don't use references, and to their detriment.
In the Renaissance, an artist's apprenticeship consisted of copying the masters and colouring in their own master's work.
I can't post on the CoH boards to offer support, but I can send this.
Jonathan
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perhaps anyone with thoughts on this particular subject, can bring them to the thread that is actually about this subject
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hehehe - that's pretty cool. And quite a handsome effort for your first attempt
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Happy birthday orange man.
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Another thread was recently high-jacked regarding this discussion, so maybe it's best to put down some thoughts here.
What are you thoughts about referencing photos, screen shots, and other pieces of art?
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Yeah, originally I cringed when I saw that TA had posted that image. NOT because it was a pose swipe, but simply because it was so bad.
Then I cringed again when some people were making an issue out of it. I thought about getting all defensive, but then three things happened
1. Most people realized that it was a very dated piece, and they saw that it was more of a exercise in learning.
2. I shrugged. Heck, I know what I got out of that piece... and I'm hoping I'm the better for it.
3. No one really tried to make this personal. And I appreciated that.
I think that this is a discussion worth having... but I'm not sure if these are the boards for it. Perhaps, we should have a discussion about this in regards to referencing screenies, photos, and art in another thread.
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Quote:Originally Posted by The_Foo
From what I can tell, anything Wacom is good. They are THE name in PC tablets, and I love mine.
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Quote:As an 'drawer', I agree. But my photographer friend would strongly disagree.Originally Posted by Eddy_Swan
there is a big differance in my mind between sourcing from reality and sourcing from someone elses illustration.
For me, I'm not so sure about some of the lines. If a photo ok to reference? What if I take the photo? What if it's a generic photo? A famous photo? - I'm not quite sure.
yeah, I try to give credit where credit is due... but it's often hard. Just recently I did up a piece of the Black Panther. I had the concept in my mind... and I rolled with it. Afterwards though, I (re)discovered that 1) the Black Panther had previously been drawn tackling a rhino in a Marvel Handbook I keep in the can, and 2) the smashing of the title was done in the Mighty Thor a few times.Quote:Originally Posted by Projectionist
This is why I never display my practice pieces I do from photographs and other's work. Even if you state, as Juggy did in the original posting on dA, that you copied it, it'll will sooner or later find it's way somewhere without that info and you'll be accused of passing it off as your own.
/shrug - it's hard to always know where you get something from.
That being said though, if someone 'reminds' you of it... no need to deny it or battle it. Just say, 'yeah, that's where I got it from' (if you did).
I think that your opinion and mine, are pretty similar on this piece. It is what it is... a practice piece done years ago. I'm hoping I've grown since then, and truth be told, that's a 'period' when I was learning how to digitally paint (and use a tablet) - so, frankly, I'm embarrassed for a number of reasons (mostly about how bad it looks. lol).Quote:Originally Posted by FrozenDeath
I don't think this is typical for Juggy's work. It's an old image I think indicative of a developmental stage.
really? I liken it more to doing 'cover songs'.Quote:Originally Posted by Eddy_Swan
its like playing a guitar and swiping someones amplifier, because yours is not loud enough. that isn't a homage to the amplifier its stealing. they worked hard to get that amplifier why should you get it easy? ya know what I'm saying?
Wasn't that one of the art challenges earlier this year? lolQuote:Originally Posted by FrozenDeath
Btw, yes copying masterworks has always been a staple of art instruction. That does not involve modifying the work and putting your name on it.
Thanks for mentioning that man. I wasn't really worried about it in regards to this thread (most everyone has been pretty cool in here), but I wanted YOU to be sure.Quote:Originally Posted by Caemgen
to be clear: the two works I referred to were not Juggertha's nor done by him.
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Wow man, big congratulations.
You should post up all of your entries for this year, here. -
Not to weigh in on this too deeply, but I'd like to point out that the piece in question was from 3 years ago (just after I got my WACOM). I thinkthe swipe was obvious.
As was the swipe on this piece in 1994
I've never claimed to be an artist of amazing skill or anything, but what I have strove to do was improve myself over time.
If I've done that, I'm happy.
How I did it, well... I suppose that's up to me.
If you don't think that I have - you're welcome to that opinion.
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As for the swiping / referencing debate... I see both sides and agree with both of them. If soeone is usinga reference, they should cite it and source it. If someone calls them on it, they should fess up.
That beingsaid though, I can see where people may draw different lines in the sand. A certain debate over a certain famous Obama picture comes to mind. IMO, the artist should have fessed up early and shared a % of royalties with the photographer. -
Whoever the winner is, I'm impressed by the fact that both stuck it out for so long.
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^^ that worked out pretty cool then.
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nice collection.