Haruu

I could debate all of this.... but really Work is picking up again, so I'll be on the forums les (I only get on the forums while bored at work.... fancy that, I only talk here when I can't play)

A) I never said I was a teacher. I work for education. And Its a pretty typical High-school statement to assume all teachers twist words around. Just because I have a collegiate level vocabulary and an understanding of psychology/sociology, as well as common debate tactics, doesn't mean I am a teacher, nor any type of staff most of you would know about. My Job position (in the state I reside) is less than 3 years old.

B) Grind is a key word. TF's are fun. GM hunting is fun. Soloing is boring. MA farming is boring. Radio/Paper farming is boring. Door sitting is boring. I farm and PL during the week cause there isn't much better to do (Esp for a Vil on a less populated server). Weekends are a blast, but that's because of the lack of a "grind" feeling. Then again I have a small but very active SG/VG that always likes to change things up. For instance, this past weekend: 4 AE arcs, 24 radios, 3 TF's, 2 GM's, 3 full "content" arcs. 5 of us completed Midnighters. I while LP'd to my wife who was working most of the weekend, went from level 22 to 36. Wasn't fast leveling, but all of those changes kept it from feeling like a grind. Therefore was fun. On the other hand from last monday to thursday, only being able to play about 6 hours, I was on 3 AE "boss farms" as well as soloed about 6 paper mishes. Much more of a grind-fest.

C) Actually I'm happy. When I'm unhappy, I don't play. I move onto other games. I got a game I go to for PVP (RF Online), or I try some new ones. Last time I left the game MA had just been Implemented. I16/GR has me back. Sorry. (Sarcastic)

As for Being diplomatic and being misunderstood. Sorry (Non-Sarcastic). I know people never read words the way they they were intended (read most of my previous posts... I don't intend to offend at first, by the end it may be different).

I do not know what could be more clear than multiple posts containing the nearly exact same line (which when reading any piece written in english when someone has to repeat something time and time again, generally that is the main point they are making) and then spends paragraphs clairifying what they meant, and other people in the discussion (read debate) completely ignore it, thats them being intentionally obtuse. They ignore it cause they are wanting to use smoke and mirrors to change the subject, turning the other person into the badguy, so they (and their stance) looks better by proxie, while not actually touching on the point the other person made. Hence the comment "if you can't win through brilliance, lose through... hey look a zepplin." They realize they cannot win through a brilliant statement, so they want everyone to look at how they arn't the Hindenburg (thus insinuating if they arn't the other person is). Now I know most kids now days wouldn't get the referance, but I work in education, so I hope people are better than they are.

Back on topic tho, I did use some big words, so your right, I should have dumbed down my post since they couldn't understand. Well actually I did. Each successing post tended to be simpler and more basic in speach.

As for the debate tactics mentioned above, generally you can get a good idea of what I am explaining by watching an American Presidential Election. (Yes I am an American, but I recognise alot of the playerbase is not).

My comment was "saying $15/mo entitles me to PL" is that same as "$15/mo means every kill should get me a purple."
I am not in fact advocateing that attitude. Really I have not been for or agains PLing. I am for ease of teaming, so I am willing to sacrifice PLing for it. Evidently people decide to read only a line or two cause every post I made yesterday was about the "I pay so I'm entitled" attitude. You pay, so you are entitled to log in and play the devs game.

Later I did make the point that the loss of PLing is the devs fix for all the "AE babies" threads. We all are losing the privilege of PLing, since so many people have complained about MA abuse. If you look in those threads you will see me advocate letting people play how they want to. I still think if you want to PL you should. I do from time to time. But I also don't want people to complain so much about the loss of PLing that we lose something else. Want bridging back, what if they take away sking/menting all togeather. then as long as you are in range you get to PL.

It has been quite a few of the people on this thread (adding -rep to me, while twice as many add +rep to me making it funny since I turned rep display off) that have completely missed my point. Missconstrewed what I said. They do that cause they are losing the war against all the people that love SSK so they... Hey look a Zepplin.

Its not my way of play yet. My comment tho is she is complaining about "I pay $15/mo so I should be allowed to PL." That attitude is just as bad as "I pay $15/mo so I should have more purples." or "I pay $15/mo so I should get 20% more xp." or "I pay $15/mo so I shouldn't have to deal with AE spam."

Its all the same. Your money doesn't entitle you to anything more than access to the game that the devs write. Your opinion is that you are RIGHT in being able to PL for $15/mo. MY opinion is that your money doesnt entitle you to anything more than to play the devs game. If you don't like the devs game, leave. They will do as they see fit. Remember MA made PLing much easier, and all those people complaining about MA got SSK as the fix. Now you lose your way of playing because of others complaints, so you will complain cause you feel you are RIGHT in that your playstyle is nerfed. Complaints only nerf others. I guess most people are to self centered to see that.

SSK is the ix of PLing through MA which has been the complaint since MA rolled out. YOUR money doesnt enter the equasion. Your complaints do. And in an online community the most vocal majority gets there way. As you can see the vocal majority is for SSK so you wont get your way. Again YOUR money doesnt play any part of this.

Neither does my money. If I don't like it, I'll go play something else. Currently I like it.

P.S. I have taken breaks from the game due to changes I didn't like. My money went elsewhere. I didn't feel the need when I14 came out to complain about MA spam. I just left. Now with I16, GR, etc, I'm back cause I want to support these nifty features.

If you think your money has any sway on the game, then don't give it to the company. Loss of funds is more of a statement, than "boo hoo i pay and I'm not getting my way"

Say what you want, but if she didn't think she was RIGHT, then she wouldn't have said a word. I don't like others having to change play style to fit everyones needs, but the DEVs have spoken, and very very vocal majority has spoken, and your still paying the same $15 we are all paying, so if this were a democracy (which game development IS NOT) we would all have 1 $15 vote each month, which again PLing is in the minority.

Remember the DEVs make the rules. They determine what is "broken" and they have said the way things are is "broken." They are gonna fix it. They could have taken away all SKing/Exemping. They could have made it so you cannot party outside of 5 levels. They had tons of options that other MMOs use. I would much rather SSK as the solution.

P.P.S. "you seem to be demanding she play your way." you seemed to miss the part where I said I PL/farm during the week cause there ain't anything better to do. I would say that if I PL at all, then part of my play style coincides with hers. So let me fix your quote real quick here:

She is not asking to dictate your play-style but you seem to be demanding she play [partially] your way [which is also the way the DEVs have decided fits the leveling curve the game was balanced around and finally have a team+idea on how to fix so that we have less threads about AE n00bs since they will actually have to work for some of their levels, or spend a very long boring time doorsitting with people that don't need them there to farm, unless their friends are farming them in which their friends will usually show them the ropes to help them be better teammates and thus have more fun].

Fixed'

It took how many years for power customization?

How many Mastermind primaries have been asked for? How many have been gotten?

It takes time for fixes and ideas to be implemented. And that's if the Devs see it as broken. Complain as we might, they have the data that tells them all the usage statistics they need {or want} to know.

It would be nice if there was a forum for player ideas with a running list of all the ideas, seperated by category. It would also be nice if the mods moved all player idea threads to said forum.

NO the Devs decide how we all play. They get rid of a feature, we either adapt, or leave. I adapt. Others complain, whine, and have their tantrums. When they don't get their way, they make thread after thread about not getting their way.

Yes you are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to mine. But the Dev's point is they consiter PLing the way it has been happening to be a break/exploit/unbalanced (one or multile of those). Whining without trying is childish. You told me to grown up, when you arn't even willing to give up the "blankie" of PLing. What about normal gameplay are you so afraid of that you can't even try the new system before compalining.

At least the AE complainers have played the game after MA was introduced.

You are acting like an obnoxious brat by insisting your way of thinking is RIGHT, and everyone else is wrong. Grow up.

It applies to all of us who decide to pick a side of the fence. By saying that you are insinuating that "everyone else is wrong" compared to you and thus "You are acting like an obnoxious brat by insisting your way of thinking is RIGHT" and therefore should "Grow up." If you didn't think you were right, you wouldn't post. Even if that means others are wrong. All 700+ posts of us. and <100 posts of you. Its funny how the "losing" side always says the winning side thinks they are right, and never realizes the hippocracy of the statement. Its equally funny the winning side almost never has to say these words.

I guess if you can't win with brilliance, it's better to lose with... hey look a Zepplin!

Why not every kill drop purples... its not somethin for nothing. Its something for very little. Thats what PLing is... Little work for lots of gain. ITs just as much over reacting as "OMGZ AE needz teh nerfz" or "OMGZ SSK ruinz mai PLn n i payz monez 4 teh gamez."

I PL from time to time. I got nothing better to do with my 50's when I'm bored other than PL and farm. I TF on weekends with my alts to level them. But during the week I party with 50's or my 50 parties with others and whammo.

Even so, the convince of SSK far outweighs the slowness of leveling. And even so Just because you pay for a good or service doesn't entitle you to satisfaction. If you are ever not sastisfies with a product, take your money elsewhere. That's the benefit of non communist markets. There are always other alternatives.

SO because I want all purples, and LotG 7.5, and Numia's +/+ i should get it. I pay each month and should get absolutely anything I want right? I want new mastermind primaries (not just 1, i want options like "Ninja Pirate Zombie Robots") I Pay so I get that right? I want the Dev "I Win Button." http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/The_I_Win_Button. Just because I pay, do I get it.?

People with the mentality of "I pay so I should get to PL" are spoiled little brats. Just because you pay, you are NOT entitled to everything. You dont like it, go elsewhere. MMO Dev's don't like game breakers. Filling your account with 50's gets boring. Those people don't stay long. Word of mouth gets worse. Game dies. Balancing the game and having a few months to get to max, keeps people in general interested. In that time people tell their friends good things. Even if they get bored, their friends are still having fun and promoting the game.

The heart of the answer is correct, as long as the lvl 1 team xp share bug has been fixed.

The team xp share bug at level 1 is, level 1 toons didn't (and still might not) get xp for someone else's kill, even when SK'd. I learned this the hard way on a sewer team once.

Like I said, the heart of the answer is definatly correct. you always earn XP based off your security level vs. the differance between your combat level and the mob being killed, multiplied by a percentage based off team size, possibly weighted by the differential between your combat level and the combat level of the other people in the team, as long as your combat level is within 5 levels of the person doing the killing (and above 1 if that bug is not fixed).

Simply put the devs could make it so every level takes the exact same xp, and all xp is gien out based off the differential, and leveling would be uniform. As it stands they use an exponential formula to determine XPTNL and a lesser formula for XP Gain per Kill, so that later levels take longer. (tho they could standardise xp per kill, and just have TNL go up but meh, INF is directly based off xp gain, so they would have to totally revamp that equasion, and I would rather have new features)

Another way of looking at it is with an equasion. SL=Security level (or base level), CL=combat level, ML=the Mob's Level, TSB=Team Size Bonus,PK=Person killing

XP is based on: ((ML-CL)->Lookup on SL table)*(TSB)*(IF(|PK-CL|<=5)

And Marvel and DC are the children of Religious Myths (greek, roman, norse, etc).

A man with Super human strength, enough to take down a building, or kill an army with the jawbone of a jackass? Or the child of a diety and mortal woman known for great feats of strength?

Even the little funny comics tended to tell a story about life, much like stories of Echo, Jason, Thor, etc.

I once heard someone say "there is no orriginal thought"

Time plays a big part of all this, but if you look at XP gained, you know popularity. At some point certain AT's get to be "not so fun" as others and people quit. So bars of xp per day would show a few things.

Daily Trends in AT's.

At what level are certain AT's being dropped on average.

Are people recreating within the AT or under a new one (the inferred data from trends).

Also you add in the Data-mining of what AT's are being deleted each day, and its faily comprehensive.


Example. I have made and deleted more trollers in the late teens/early 20's than I have made of all other AT's combined. Its because I never had the patience to get to 32 where the AT looks like fun. I play my 1 and only troller about once every few weeks, and I'm finally close to 32 (I tend to do most of my leveling through TF's cause I just find them fun). On the other hand I play my mastermind nightly, having only ever deleted 1 before it. I play my Blaster every weekend for at least a couple of hours.... after deleting 5 or so I found I love Ele/Dev. I never really enjoyed Scrappers until I made a fire/shield. Each AT I generally played to within a level or two of all the others before recreating. Not the same levels though. Trollers get to me around 15-22. Scrappers I start disliking around 24-27. Tanks I don't enjoy at levels 10-15. Etc. Etc. This sort of data-mining would see those trends. It would say not only what is popular (see what is made that hits level 10) vs. what is powerful (which AT's make it furthest on average).

Not that any single dataset will tell you the whole story, but I can see where Arcana was going with the data he/she would pull.

So you use some of those Empath powers to help the team.

Another quick example: He (the empath defneder with unslotted attack powers) refused to rez the scrapper because "If [I] stop attacking, the enemies won't die, and might kill [me]." I responded with "But you do <Censored> damage, and that scrapper can finish this in no time, as well as... nevermind yet another party wipe." So I used an awaken, handed him one+break free and he still refused to rez anyone.


EDIT: And I just realized why I hate Empathy (and by proxy defenders) so much. That guy was the person that introduced me to the game. I have partied with better empaths (as well as defenders), but somehow its rare to find one I really feel is a "team player."

Then shouldn't it go something like this:

Hot Rod: "Bah-weep-Graaaaagnah wheep ni ni bong?"
Sharkticons: "Bah-weep-Graaaaagnah wheep ni ni bong."


EDIT: Evidently we are off topic when the thread is in direct violation of Forum use policy. Interesting how people think that talking about AE on yet another thread is more important than having a few laughs. Guess some people just can't ever be happy, and are trying to live by "Misery loves company" although since I find this all funny, they should try a different approach.

Fantastic. I wonder if that was intentional, or if they fell asleep with their head on the keyboard

More like the Unlife of the party. With as oftan as we face planted, I swear it was a team of Zombies.

Agreed.

As an aside, I have almost never had issues finding a 6-8 person team. Might have to do with 2 other players in the house with me. Could be that I have a small but active SG that loves running in anything. Possibly because Smaller Servers appear to be more team oriented (I play on Pinn). I don't know exactly why I don't have teaming issues, but sometimes I know there are people that have issues getting onto teams due to lack of ability to team.

There was a person back in.... I8 I think.... that was such a terrible teammate. He was a "Battle Empath" that took every single emp power, and every single NRG power. He would slot all his Emp powers, but never used any of them. He would not slot his NRG powers, but used them all the time. He would rush off, over aggro, and run back to a resting party. He would use KB powers on the mobs the scrapper was fighting, and ignore the ones on the blaster. We tried helping him. We tried giving him advise. He wouldn't listen to anyone. He was by far the worst player I have ever gamed with. He also was the guy that got me into CoX.

So a time came when we would not party him.... We were always "on a TF" or "full" or "logging soon." He would ask the SG and they wouldn't play in a team with him. Magically PUG's wouldn't keep him for more than a single mish. He eventually quit the game.

Moral of the story is, If you don't have a team, you might not be trying hard enough. You might not be looking hard enough. You might not be asking nice enough. You might not be a good enough player. You might not be slotted well, or have a "party" buld. You might become legend for being "that pug guy." It probably isn't you, but it might be. Take some time to think about what you can do to make you a value to any team you get on, and people remember you. My global friends list is full of great players, and almost every single one of them was in a radio PUG at one time or another.

EDIT: I am using the plural "you" to refur to the community as a whole or the individuals of said community. I am not singleing anyone out specifically.

If I could give Tonality 10 points I would. I was sad the old ones didn't work. "seeing is believing."

What about data-mining that involved criteria like:

*Character played at least 20,80,120 hours of the last 60 days?
*Characters logged in above level 20 (to avoid simple padders and marteteers) but below level 40, vs level 40+ (you kinda mentioned this)
*Characters logged in on accounts over a year old, vs under a year old.
#A combo of all 3

With all three you would see, what AT's are being played longest at a time (thus tend to be more "fun"). You would also see what AT's are making it to the end game vs, "getting too hard to play," vs "not fun at all." Lastly you would see what the "vets" play over what the "n00bs" play.

I think this would be a better descriptor of current trends. Most people I know get a 50, then make a HEAT and quit before lvl 20. Not all, but most. Most "vets" i know go for broken/farming builds over "just for fun" builds. Also I know alot of people that only log in to change dayjobs and log out, which would inflate numbers on played vs unplayed toons.

If your feedback is off, so be it. I'm just saying that its a good idea of having some way of people leaving MA feedback. I have yet to notice anyone play my arc's, not to mention no feedback at all. Interestingly I dont really care either way, but If someone does stumble upon one of my arc's, i would like to see something even if its "Lolz U not m8k tem gudz, U sux"

Cause someone might actually say "Thats a pretty interesting take on recreating the Carnie Party Mish, but instead of adding <secret> you might try <something eles>"

BTW the Arc Ive been working on is a recreation of my fave Mishes with a bit more to them. Its heavily work in progress.