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Quote:A vigilante isn't anti-law - that would make them an anarchist.Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
Oh my lord I am a fool.
All this time, I've been arguing BACKWARDS. And it was Golden Girl herself that showed me my mistake.
Vigilante: Someone who illegally punishes someone for perceived offenses
These are people that go AGAINST the law to bring what they see as justice, and that is why Vigilantes would be even less likely to work with Tyrant than the Hero types. When someone thinks the law is in the wrong, MORE law is not the answer they think of. When you have a group of Vigilantes, it's usually called a lynch mob! And which side in Praetoria is against the current legal structure?
A vigilante is usually only ever against the law because they think it doesn't go far enough, not that it shouldn't be there at all.
On Primal earth, the law allows you to go after criminals, but it doesn't allow you to murder them - so for some heroes, this could be seen as frustrating, and in a way holding back their efforts to clean up the city - so Tyrant's version of law and order could be more appealing, as it's more direct, and has a more permanent punishment system.
On Primal Earth, everyone is free to make their life choices, and everyone has rights, including criminals - so the freedoms and rights people enjoy here also mean that there will be more crime and world-threatening situations.
Freedom here means that Heroes will have to keep risking their lives to protect society from the same threats and the same mistakes, over and over again, because real freedom always comes at a price.
But Tyrant has reduced the freedom of his society, but raised the security - Praetoria is safer and more peaceful than Primal Earth - and, like the freedom on Primal Earth, the Praetorian peace comes at a price.
No it is good versus evil - the overall morality of the Resistance is good, even if some of their members are not so good, and the overall morality of Tyrant and his minions is evil, even if some of them are not so evil.Quote:I've been thinking Good versus Evil, when I should be thinking Law versus Chaos. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Kheldarn
Considering only one of those is ever going into the game, that's not much of a list.
You might be surprised - very surprised
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Quote:It looks like a lot of it's velvet rather than leather.Originally Posted by BrandX
I'm going to vote Infernal, just because I imagine everyone else to vote for Desdemona, for her bright shiney newness, and being a girl in leather.
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Quote:Well, to make it easier, we can offer you a selection of things to talk about:Originally Posted by David Nakayama
Thanks very much! Dying to tell you guys about all the new hotness we've been working on
1 - Praetoria
2 - The Moon
3 - Atlantis
Which of these would you like to discuss first? -
Desdemona - her hair moves.
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Quote:Well, we don't actually know when their relationship started.Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
While Tyrant my be incestuous, he's not a pedophile. Dominatrix is a big girl
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Quote:Marauder will just beat you up thenOriginally Posted by Demobot
Sweet, I can play the race card against Loyalists now.
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Quote:I think Dr V would be more likely to either work for Tyrant if the Praetorian version was as evil as the Primal Earth one, or help the Resistance if he was good.Originally Posted by RadDidIt
I'm betting on Dr. Vahzilok. If you think about, a technological and scientific genius who can resurrect the dead and isn't under the thumb of Tyrant is a grave, grave threat. Combined with the same super-sanity/insanity that is the Dr. V we all know and love and BLAMO! Zombies with ankle bracelets.
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Quote:I don't rant about anythingOriginally Posted by RadDidIt
That Golden Girl. If only she didn't rant about things so much, she'd be all right.
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Quote:The same guy who saved the world and the human race?Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
one who's actions have shown that he has little regard for the lives of humanity as a whole
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Quote:The Rogue Isles are too openly evil for GR - there's no mystery to uncover thereOriginally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
Yes, the point is that Praetoria is where your characters will face the moral choices that will cause them to change their alignment. And if it is something that can be done on Primal Earth, then why did we need to pull story resources out of the last several Issues for what amounts to be nothing more than an alternate starting zone when the entire Resistance storyline could have just as easily taken place in the Isles?
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Quote:Praetorian propaganda should also have a gentler side, to encourage loyalty:Originally Posted by RadDidIt
My sig is now propaganda.
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Quote:A Praetorian style promotion?Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Congratulations David!
But a question:
Ken Morse is (was?) the Art Lead. So, how can the Art Lead promote someone else to Art Lead without he himself being promoted, demoted, laterally moved, or fight the new Art Lead in a battle to the death? -
Quote:Amd why wouldn't the more vigilante types join Tyrant? He stands for law and order, and gives his followers much more freedom to enforce justice than Heroes get in Paragon City.Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
OK, we're not talking about Natives to Praetoria. Going Rogue is supposed to give us the opportunity to change the sides of the existing characters. In order for THOSE Heroes to change sides, they need to have a reason to join whichever side that will cause them to fall and become Villains. Right now, the ONLY organization Heroes have ANY reason to join is the Resistance. That means that they would HAVE to be the ones to cause Heroes to fall, but Tyrant is supposed to be the one to do that, because he's EVIL
In Paragon City, there's a constant cycle of crimes, arrests, imprisonment, escape, and more crimes - Tyrant breaks that cycle by skipping the whole imprisonment thing and replacing it with permanent removal - and his world seems to have less crime than Primal Erath as a result. -
Quote:A quote from PositronOriginally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
Right right, I get what you're saying, I just said it poorly. I was focused on Tyrant being the side that gets heroes to fall, but your idea gives us the idea that it's Resistance that does that, something I hadn't even thought about until then.
"Praetorians do not use the normal GR system, but have points within their stories where they can choose "Loyalist (aka Villain)" or "Resistance (aka Hero)"" -
Quote:No. Just noOriginally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
So you're saying that Going Rogue will have the Resistance be the side that will turn people evil, and Tyrant turn Villains good. You say this even though (as Golden Girl will tell us...repeatedly) the devs have stated that Resistance=Hero and Praetor=Villain? That would mean that every piece of information we've gotten starting with Hero-Con has been a campaign of misinformation. That they are intentionally playing up Tyrant=Evil, because THAT is the charade?
It's an interesting ploy, and one that places a lot of faith in the cleverness of the devs. I'll have to think about this a bit.
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Quote:Chimera has a mission for you - a Praetorian citizen recently spoke out against Tyrant, and was taken to the Asylum - now his wife is asking difficult questions - go to her house and arrest her - she's to join her husband at the Asylum to be mindwiped.Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
It'd be nice if those were options, but I'm not seeing them.
Belladonna Vetrano has a mission for you - a Praetorian citizen recently spoke out against Tyrant, and was taken to the Asylum - now his wife is asking difficult questions - go to her house help her escape to the underground before Tyrant's thugs show up.
Calvin Scott has a mission for you - the Nova Praetoria City Library contains only pro-Tyrant propaganda books - go there and destroy his lies, along with the building.
Chimera has a mission for you - intelligence reports suggest the Resistance is planning on blowing up the Nova Praetoria City Library - go there and protect the citizens and staff from harm. -
By the way, did anyone notice that he's a Mercs/traps MM? So do you think he'll have special pets that are Resistance members, the way Recluse's pets are Arachnos soldiers?
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Quote:But since Nemesis is controlling all the enemy groups, technically, they all do have itOriginally Posted by EU_Damz
How many do we have? Nemesis is the only one i can think of
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I think they're more to help make the Resistance areas dangerous for players without having to have the Praetorian Police there.
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Quote:Not sure that way of life appeals to everyone in PraetoriaOriginally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Calvin Scott is the demon of lust that threatens the strength and peace of Praetoria. In the name of Emperor Cole, protect our way of life.
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Quote:Not when people act responsiblyOriginally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
No, freedom is anarchy.
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Quote:So ignorance is strength, and freedom is slavery?Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Bah! *dismissive wave* You want your free thinking, go to the Rogue Isles. They're all kinds of free over there.
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Quote:There's also the little matter of what that empire has been doingOriginally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Either way... a single creepy relationship vs. a man crumbling a literal empire just to get back the woman who willingly left him!? Yeah, I'd take the former and get the latter on Dr. Phil.
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I like how dark the tunnels are looking - it's going to be an interesting experience when we're used to nighttime here being still pretty bright.