Golden Girl

Forum Cartel
  • Posts

    25494
  • Joined

  1. Quote:
    Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel View Post
    because they should, in theory, be able to set up a safe colony outside of Praetoria since they could do so with the Marino family, but they don't, it might either be because as a whole, they're too stubborn to leave (definitely their fault)
    Why should they? It's their country, and it's been taken away from them by an evil dictator.
    When we decided we ddin't want to live under the British anymore, we didn't go to another country to avoid it - we took up arms and won our liberty on our own soil.
    Praetoria is America, and instead of being the country that helped free the world from the danger of the Nazis, it's become a fascist state itself, that's crusing one world, and is about to launch an genocidal war on another - the Resistance are Americans, and they're fighting a second war of independence to liberate their country - only this time, it's against a home-grown oppressor rather than a foreign one.
  2. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Eiko-chan View Post
    The State did not create the Ghouls
    Neuron helped make them:

    Quote:

    "The doctor had long been a rival of Neuron's and was convinced that he could take Neuron's failed genetic experiments, the Ghouls, and significantly improve upon them."
    Or maybe Dr. Hetzfeld is lying
  3. Quote:
    Originally Posted by CapnGeist View Post
    Fighting for Order isn't evil, either
    It is when order crushes freedom
  4. Quote:
    Originally Posted by BenRGamer View Post
    Yeah, the thing, Toxa, with every evil thing that's on Loyalists and Cole's hand, he's keeping the people alive.
    You mean just like the Heroes of Primal Earth do without needing to form fascist dictatorships and carry out crimes against humanity on a daily basis?
  5. Quote:
    Originally Posted by CapnGeist View Post
    but in the long run you learn that ALL sides are evil
    Fighting for freedom isn't evil - and dictatorships are always evil

    And the game has carefully lined up everyone to be working for or with Resistance supporters by the time they're level 20 - the entire game is set up to be Primal Earth vs Praetoria, and all Praetorian players are bounced into either working for Arachnos, who are helping the Crusaders, or working with Longbow and the Heroes of Paragon City, who are helping the Wardens.
    Fighting on the side supporting the Resistance is the only oiption you get post-20, because the devs have made the entire Primal Earth part of the game support the Resistance - because they're the right side.
  6. Well, the original idea was for Praetoria to be a straight Heroes vs Villains fight - but at some point further down the line, they tried to add more "shades of gray" to the setting - and for some reason, they decided to do that by trying to make the Crusaders as bad as the loyalists, rather than dialing back the loyalists' evil.
    Clues in the closed beta seem to point to the alpha build having the original Resistance heroes vs loyalist villains idea in it, as during the closed beta, there were some weird things showing up, like the loyalists had the red side mission completion music and could only pick red side titles, and the Resistance were only able to pick Hero titles and had the blue side mission completion music - so if the attempt to add "shades of gray" was done that late in the development process, then it was probably easier for them to add evil stuff to the Resistance, rather than totally rewrite the whole loyalist side to be less evil, as that might have meant delaying the launch date.

    Another big clue is aslo how much of the evil stuff the loyalists do isn't really for any reason, except to add flavor and fill in the check-list requirements for an evil dictatorship - if they were genuine shades of gray, then there'd be a reason for the slavery, the thought police the mass-murder, the torture, the "disappearances", the drugged citizens and so on, rather than just being there to add a few extra twirls to the moustacheometer - and the Praetors also wouldn't be written as such evil psychos.

    For example, the whole drugged water/Enriche thing is not a shade of gray thing - it's a flat-out evil thing - it's there to show the players that any support for the dictatorship by the citizens could be down to the happy drugs, when a shade of gray would have normal drinking water, and the citizens genuinely supporting the dictatorship.
    Or there's also the details about the Seers - the whole thing of them being slaves who lose their memories and personalities is totally un-needed, except to show just how horrific the dictatorship is - a shade of gray would have the Seers being an elite voulnteer unit, not enslaved drones.
    And then there are the badges in the Underground, helpfully pointing out just where the dictatorship secretly tortures and slaughters its victims on a daily basis - and again, there's no need for those, except to show just how vile the loyalists are - a shade of gray wouldn't have the slaughter rooms and torture chambers - Tyrant wouldn't be murdering unknown numbers of people every day, and torture wouldn't be standard procedure amongst the PPD.

    The attempt to add "shades fo gray" to Praetoria is also the reason why the exit mission at 20 can be kinda weird

    GR is still a totally amazing addition to the game, but because of the late-ish attempt to add some "shades of gray" to the setting without actually reducing the level of the loyalaists' evil, there are parts of it that just don't quite mesh together in a way that would actaully show a genuine shade of gray.
  7. Quote:
    Originally Posted by BenRGamer View Post
    Yes, Loyalists are evil. So are the Resistance. But the funny thing is, without the Loyalists, everyone would be dead. Can't say the same about the Resistance...
    Actually, without the loyalists, there'd be a lot more people alive
  8. Quote:
    Originally Posted by CapnGeist View Post
    Please provide evidence from the game showing that he knows what's going on.
    I've had certain RL types demand something very similar when their idol and the crimes aginst humanity carried out by his followers are brought up - and the answer is the same - "logic"
  9. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Steampunkette View Post
    Any form of government, whether chosen by the people or made by a group conquering another group or divine right of birth or individual merit, must protect it's people from external and internal threats, to some degree or another.

    Any form of government which does not do these things simply -isn't- a form of government. To be a Government it must Govern the people. Govern meaning to Control.
    But there's "control", and then there's "fascist repression"

    Tyran'ts evil dictatorship can't be justified in any way - and only a loyalist stormtrooper would try to justify it
  10. Quote:
    Originally Posted by CapnGeist View Post
    See Praetor Berry's arc. It outright states that he doesn't know everything.
    He knows enough
  11. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Lazarillo View Post
    Even if you're going to look at it from the cynical point of view, a dictatorship without people to dictate to isn't very safe.
    I think it'd be pretty safe from a popular uprising
  12. Quote:
    Originally Posted by CapnGeist View Post
    While I know that the Seers are misused for a lot of purposes, they are ABSOLUTELY responsible for keeping people safe.
    Their purpose to to keep the dictatorship safe, not the people
  13. Tyrant can't not know what evil is being done by his stormtroopers
  14. Quote:
    Originally Posted by CapnGeist View Post
    At least in Praetoria muggings are rare
    The mugging spawns have been replaced by PPD harassment spawns

    Quote:
    and civilians are rarely /randomly/ killed.
    Murder is still murder

    Quote:
    Yes, some get 'disappeared' for doing stuff they knew they shouldn't be doing
    Like thinking for themselves?

    Quote:
    As far as I can tell, Praetoria is no more dangerous to Civilians than Paragon City.
    Exactly
  15. Primal Earth seems to cope with psychics without havng to become a fascist dictatorship
  16. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha View Post
    Hmn....however, I've never seen that particular piece worn by any NPC
    Not even bank robbers?
  17. Quote:
    Originally Posted by PC_guy View Post
    issue 20 is going to be entirely devoted to bringing back pwnz forums
    Is the world ready for that yet?
  18. There need to be more breasts on childrens shows - it might make them less immature when they grow up
    There's this weird thing where breasts are ok from the day the baby is born up until a certain age, then they become something shocking that have to be hidden from the child - but then they become totally ok again later on at another certain age.
    Like if it's ok for a child of 2 to get really up close and personal with breasts, why do they have to be hidden when the child is 7?
  19. Quote:
    Originally Posted by RemusShepherd View Post
    As a broken human being myself
    You know that broken things can be fixed, don't you?
  20. Quote:
    Originally Posted by BenRGamer View Post
    Explain, Golden Girl, EXPLAIN!
    I'm not sure I can be explained
  21. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Steampunkette View Post
    Please, Venture, put me on ignore. Because that's where you're going.
    You're trying to make people who disagree with you "disappear"? that's not exactly going to help change your reputation as one of the more stiff-armed of Tyrant's stormtroopers
  22. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Venture View Post
    No, you don't. And there are only two beers left in the house so I can't deal with the rest of this pile of epic fail.
    Switch to Enriche - it'll make it easier to accept the stupidity
  23. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha View Post
    Even the EU servers got mentioned

    Although 'All at Max capacity'? Come on, David, Union hit yellow for the first time I've ever seen, but not red
    Union had queues for a couple of nights
  24. Quote:
    Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms View Post
    You missed the "within the confines of teh law" part, didn't you?
    The law in Praetoria is pretty much unconfined
  25. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Venture View Post
    That's just not true, and if you're going to ignore what's actually said in the game then there's no point in continuing the discussion.
    Not everyone has the "Knows the Turth" badge