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Quote:We hit it even before GR came outOriginally Posted by twelfth
And finally we hit Godwin's.
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Quote:Dictatorship, mass-murder, torure, brianwashing, repression and planned world-wide genocide and enslavement can't be looked at as anything other than absolute evil.Originally Posted by Pedro Schwartz
GG,remember that,on this same dialogue,Tyrant says he BELIEVES in the Praetorian Utopia,and that the chaos of Primal Earth is taking Primal to a path of self destruction.Cole believes that he's doing the RIGHT THING,that some sacrifices are necessary to save mankind from itself.We cannot,I repeat,cannot look at Praetoria with white and black lenses.
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Quote:From the invasion plans:Originally Posted by Hydrofoil_Zero
There not trying to do that just take over P. Earths government.
All superpowered people are to be killed, and any potential non-superpowered threat is going to be killed too - and considering that speaking out against Tyrant can lead to your whole family being killed, what exactly is going to be the death toll after 6 billion prisoners are mind-scanned for potential threats towards Tyrant's dictatorship?Quote:"We have been ordered by Cole to take any non-super powered being prisoner and to have the Seers scan their minds to see if they are a threat. Any civilian who is not a threat will be allowed to live under Cole's new empire."
Here's a quote from Tyrant too, which spells out the level of slaughter he's going to have his stormtroopers carry out:
There's nothing else in the game that comes close to the scale of evil that Tyrant is planning - there's no mention of taking over governments at all - just mass-murder of every single person who openly opposes his invasion, or even thinks of opposing it, now or in the future.Quote:“Those who are in Praetoria deserve the chance to live, <character name>. But not the people in Primal Earth. They have gone for far too long believing in their own way of life. I cannot simply go in there and have them change. No, doing so would be far too difficult and would risk the lives of those in Praetoria. The only way this can end is for all those in Primal Earth who can stand against me to be wiped out. The others will be assimilated into the new Praetorian society on Primal Earth." -
I think it's an early design for the Cloverfield monster
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It a photoshop
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Quote:Cole wearing my stockings? That could make for an interesting pictureOriginally Posted by Venture
They can call it what they want, but gluing feathers on a rat doesn't make it a swan. The only "shades of grey" in Praetoria are black and almost-black.
For an example of what I thought the plight of the Wardens should look more like, try "Cole In Your Stocking", #474611. </unabashedplug>
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Quote:The Incarnate system is open endedOriginally Posted by Flarstux
I suppose pretty much the same thing we'll do when we have all the Incarnate enhancements equipped.
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Quote:That was pre-Monkey farmsOriginally Posted by Eiko-chan
Last time we heard from the devs on this, it was actually the opposite: the majority of the player base doesn't have a 50.
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Quote:And then what do we do at 60?Originally Posted by Flarstux
I'd much rather have had a plain old level bump with plenty of plain old 51-60 content.
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I don't think that even an overdose of Enriche could make someone have that view
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It doesn't really need that much skill
I'm like an average-to-squishy Scrapper, and I've had no problems with finishing these new "melee hating" TFs
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Quote:Tyrant is so evil that even the normal Villains have to oppose him - kinda like the Rikti threatOriginally Posted by Rikis
Well, that's the beauty of it! I don't have to, since they support Arachnos, and Arachnos supports the resistance making them Arachnos the good guys! Since Arachnos are the good guys, and the Freedon Phalanx oppose them, the Freedom Phalanx are evil.
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Quote:Yes, there was a side switchign system in itOriginally Posted by BigFish
the Sith were created by George Lucas specifically as 'Mustache Villains". there were reasons why that issue was called "Shades of Gray"
If you like, you can skip to the dev quotes at the end if you want to avoid the in-game stuff about Tyrant's evil ways
Tyrant’s invasion plans for Primal Earth:
Some quotes from Tyrant himself:Quote:“Plans are ready to begin the war effort. Emperor Cole believes that the chaos on Primal Earth will spread into Praetoria soon. Already, we have seen Arachnos and Longbow causing terror in our streets. Primal Earth has entire armies of terrorists, monsters, and demons running about unchecked. If they were to find a way into Praetoria, we would all be doomed
It is for that reason that we have worked tirelessly under the direction of Anti-Matter on these machines to bring the war to Primal Earth first. We will use the tower Neuron has built to create a portal big enough to fit the War Walkers.
Once they are deployed, the war will be over within a week. Not even the Phalanx can withstand their might.
We have been ordered by Cole to take any non-super powered being prisoner and to have the Seers scan their minds to see if they are a threat. Any civilian who is not a threat will be allowed to live under Cole's new empire. We have also programmed the machines to avoid attacking civilians, though casualties due to collateral damage cannot be avoided.'
The main purpose is clear: we must destroy the threat on Primal Earth before it destroys us. Once that is done, we will wipe out the remainder of the Resistance. It is estimated we would only need one third of our machines to do so.”
Some badges:Quote:“Your hands are already stained with blood, <character name>, much like mine. But we both have done all of these things to protect what we believe in, to protect Praetoria. That is why I fought Hamidon, to protect the world. That is why I have made Praetoria as it is today, to protect the people from themselves.”
"That is why I stepped forward to save this world from Hamidon, and that is why I have taken such measures to protect the people of Praetoria from the chaotic nature of humanity.”
“People are weak. At least when it comes to doing the right thing. That is why you cannot give them the choice to do what is wrong. I have done so in Praetoria, and look at how it has flourished. Primal Earth, however, allows this to continue, even with some of the worst examples of humanity. That is why it must be wiped away. They know of our perfect world and already, as you have seen, they seek to destroy us.
People, when left to their own free will, will seek only to destroy that which is good, that which is pure, <character name>. I will not give them the option to do that. I will strike them down before they can act and ensure that no others ever get the chance to make that choice, the choice to destroy. Humanity cannot be trusted with that choice of destruction; only someone like myself can.”
“Those who are in Praetoria deserve the chance to live, <character name>. But not the people in Primal Earth. They have gone for far too long believing in their own way of life. I cannot simply go in there and have them change. No, doing so would be far too difficult and would risk the lives of those in Praetoria. The only way this can end is for all those in Primal Earth who can stand against me to be wiped out. The others will be assimilated into the new Praetorian society on Primal Earth. I will not hesitate to have my army turn on you, <character name>, if you choose to fight in the side of Primals. But I believe that your time in Primal Earth will show you the true, rotting nature of humanity and the horrors that it's capable of.”
“I, too, once believed that humanity was good, that it could band together and be saved from the horrors that it was capable of. But this isn't true, <character name>. I have learned this the hard way. You, too, shall learn this the hard way as well. Your time on Primal Earth will show you the true nature of humanity. That I am sure of.”
Some stuff about the PPD and the Resistance from the GR website:Quote:Secret Prisoner:
"You have found one of the most forbidden of places in Praetoria: the secret interrogation chamber beneath the PPD Precinct where the officers take the most recalcitrant prisoners for enhanced interrogations."
Disappeared:
"This is where enemies of the State vanish forever. These lost souls have been brought here from the PPD Headquarters for summary execution without review or recourse."
Seer:
"Blind yet seeing and casting judgment yet mindless of the crime; the Seer is the instrument of control and the constant threat of the Emperor's displeasure."
Condemning:
"It is no small thing to make the long perilous journey to the levels beneath the Behavioral Adjustment Facility. The route is filled with hostile PPD trained to shoot first and never ask questions. You have entered a realm that is the last many will see: Do you seek to free the condemned from their fate, or facilitate their demise?"
Silent Witness:
"You have seen much injustice and brutality in your journeys through Praetoria, and here beneath Precinct 4 in Imperial City you are witness to a chamber dedicated to both. Will you remain silent forever?"
Nailbiter:
"This PPD interrogation and holding area is littered with the signs of harsh treatment. Dried bodily fluids, ripped off fingernails, and a few human teeth mark this area as a place you don't want to wind up in."
Mercy Missionary:
"You have visited the Behavioral Adjustment Facility to extend a helping hand to the lost souls housed within. It took great courage to enter this forbidden area, braving the sonic fence and the hordes of belligerent guards on your mission of mercy."
Broken Mind:
"Deep beneath the Mother of Mercy Hospital, the moans of misbegotten Seers echo through these forgotten corridors. Their sorrow seeps into the minds of those who hear them, disrupting thought and disturbing the emotions. Tarry too long and your mind shall be broken as theirs."
Knows the Truth:
“From the depths of the Underground to the top of the Magisterium, Praetoria is built on lies. After 50 badges, you've learned this truth."
Quote:When someone speaks out against Emperor Cole or Praetorian matters, the dark side of the PPD emerges, and burly, well-armed officers come into your house in the dead of night and take your loved ones away. And a few developer quotes to finish things off:Quote:The Resistance attempts to awaken the populace to the reality of what's going on in Praetoria, and it does everything in its power to get would-be Heroes and Villains educated and out of Praetoria as quickly as possible. Members of the Resistance have banded together under the universal goal of stopping Tyrant and returning freedom to all.
Joe “Hero 1” Morrissey:
John “Protean” Hegner:Quote:"Emperor Cole is an actual tyrant, and he's doing things to humanity and the freedoms that we're losing because of this".
"The real threat is not the Resistance, it's the Praetorian Police Department, and Clockwork and the Seers and the Praetorian Guard".
He’s also said that inspiration for Praetoria came from books like “1984”, “Brave New World” and “Fahrenheit 451”, among others.
Matt “Positron” Miller:Quote:“Tyrant needed to be someone that people could empathize with, despite the fact that he was a villain. We made Tyrant into a version of Statesman who believed a little less in the inherent good in people, and a little more in his own. This minute change was all it took for Primal Earth’s greatest hero to become Paretoria Earth's greatest villain."
The Powers Division “Kill more people than the other four (PPD, Clockwork, Seers, Praetorian Guard) combined”.
Praetoria is “a totalitarian regime".
Quote:“Praetorians do not use the normal GR system, but have points within their stories where they can choose "Loyalist (aka Villain)" or "Resistance (aka Hero)""
Jesse “Ghost Falcon” Caceres:
Quote:“At one of our prior panels we revealed that loyalists were actually villains, and Resistance were heroes.”
“We made it actually really cool to be a villain, right? And that’s awesome. And players were just choosing like “yeah I want to be loyalist, I want to be the guy that’s supporting the dictatorship””.
The stiff-armers can squeal all they like about the "Good" that tyrant does, but it isnät supported in the game, or out side of it
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Quote:Primal Earth is Tyrant's targetOriginally Posted by BigFish
there aren't 6 billion people left on Praetorian earth
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They're not trying to murder or enslave over 6 billion people
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Quote:Well, that's what GR is for - it lets your Villains change to the right sideOriginally Posted by Rikis
I always knew some of my villains were really the good guys.
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Quote:The answer is "yes"Originally Posted by MrHassenpheffer
that leaves me wondering if changes will be made in the near future or if a new anything will be added.
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Quote:Just pause for a moment and consider just what that phrase sounds like, and how it makes it seem that opposing tyranny is somehow a negative thing - it's like calling the Jedi the "Anti-Sith Brigade"Originally Posted by Xzero45
the Anti-Tyrant Brigade
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Quote:But how does that make it more "shades of gray"?Originally Posted by Pedro Schwartz
How can you be so sure?
Politics are as dangerous as facing a +8x8x99999 Malta Sappers.Maybe Tyrant's real danger against Primal Earth and Praetoria is that,differently from States,he's not the "mustache villain".He is an evil genius.Always remember 1984 GG.
Tyrant ruling Praetoria = evil
Tyrant ruling Praetoria and controlling the Resistance = double evil
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You people are disgusting
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Quote:There's only one leader with an "L"Originally Posted by Impervious Fist
Right, in Praetoria there is lots of people, 1 Empire, 3 leaders (Cole, Hami, and Scott)...wait...
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Quote:That would be getting to Nemesis-like levels of deception - and Tyrant really isn't that cleverOriginally Posted by Pedro Schwartz
Praetoria's not supposed to be Statesman X Recluse.
Remember,The Party created the Brotherhood in 1984. Who said there's no finger of a Loyalist within the Crusaders?Or that no Warden is completely against the Cole Administration?
Shades.of.Gray.
Plus, it wouldn't be shades of gray at all - having Tyrant secretly running the groups opposed to his dictatorship would just make him look even more evil than he does already. -
Welcome to the forums, Syagria
EDIT: There must have been a lot of breaks, as 8 hours is kinda on the long side for that arc
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Quote:Not in PraetoriaOriginally Posted by Impervious Fist
No, in CoH, there is lots of people, 1 Empire, and 3 leaders.
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Quote:One people, one empire, one leader?Originally Posted by Vanden
That's because people are utter idiots, which is why we need our beloved leader in the first place.