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Quote:The Incarnate content is focused on Praetoria for now - Tyrant's invasion is the current main storyline, but the focus will shift later on.My first thought as well. Maybe that means it's inhabited entirely by Marxists.
I'd like to add my voice to those requesting some new developments that aren't related to Praetoria. I'd particularly like to see some non-Praetorian Incarnate-level stuff. Of course, that's unlikely, given that the Incarnate matter was sold as part of Going Rogue, but I can dream ...
EDIT: The I20 overview page is now up:
http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/gam..._overview.html
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Quote:And why does that bother you?That's the thing that continues to bother me about Praetoria; the early levels give you the feeling of "well, maybe it is a benevolent dictatorship", but as you progress through the storylines, you get your nose rubbed harder and harder in "Cole is evil; Cole is only interested in power; Cole cares about his image because a popular uprising would be inconvenient; Cole's lieutenants are monomaniacal, crazy, or both" until you want to escape to Primal Earth before you catch the crazy, too.

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Quote:Co-op content has to be heroic by default, otherwise Heroes wouldn't be able to do it.You mean Heroes help Villains...?! Be specific here.. Spandex and Zeroes are never the main power.
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They don't ignore it - they're just sensible about the priorities, as almost everyone uses Windows - making sure the Windows version of the game works is much more important than making sure it works on Macs too, so the Windows version gets the attention first.
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Quote:It can be co-op - all co-op content has to be heroic by default, as heroes wouldn't do evil things, but villains might still do good things - heroes save the world because it's the right thing to do, but villains can also save the world to try and take it over themselves later on.Herpaderp, reading comprehension fail on my part. I guess it really is gonna be a zone, and a blue-side zone at that.
All the current co-op content is heroic, buit it still allows villains to take part too, so I don't think they'd change that for any new co-op content. -
Quote:A place with no freedom is totally evil - that's why there's a resistance - the fighters of the resistance aren't risking their lives for Calvin Scott's wife.I seem to recall from the bios that the Resistance was Calvin Scott's thing because his wife may have or haven't been taken by Mother Mayhem by force. Otherwise, Praetoria hardly seems "evil" when everyone's needs are provided for and anyone is free to pursue their scholarly interests. Taking that view from the surface, there hardly seems reason to start a Resistance.
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Quote:Tyrant created the Resistance - if he wasn't an evil dictator, people wouldn't need to take up arms to reclaim their liberty.Look what got the Devouring Earth all riled up... an atomic war? Then of course there's this crazy Resistance that threatens to destabilize his little oasis in the world of man-eating monsters by blowing up hospitals and gassing neighborhoods. Does the Resistance even have a plan to deal with the Devouring Earth after they've removed Cole? I don't think they've even thought that far.
Tyrant's "protection" of the people has caused a civil war, and he's spending a vast amount of time and resources trying to defeat other humans instead of the Devouring Earth.
There shouldn't be any need to fight the man who can solo the Hamidon - if Tyrant wasn't a crazed supervaillin, most of the resistance would be fighting the DE instead.
But he's carrying out the very worst cimes imaginable - he is the very worst of what humanity can do.Quote:Marcus Cole, in the Praetorian world, has seen the worst of what people can do and its consequences. Clearly, he doesn't want it to happen again. -
Quote:And how would that explain his crimes in Praetoria?Well, the Devouring Earth should be seen as a starting point to work from to answer these. Perhaps Cole is being truthful that Primal Earth "struck first" in some way and he considers us a threat to the stability of his world and its struggle to survive the Devouring Earth. He may fear that we'll destroy everything he's built so that Hamidon can feast on mankind again and thus has decided that he must destroy us before that happens.
His powers and the sonic fence are all that are needed to protect people - murdering and torturing and brainwashing people doesn't make Praetoria any safer - it makes it less safe - hes' reducing the population, diving society and causing a civil war - and all for totally un-needed reasons.
If Tyrant wants to fight the Devouring Earth, why is he spending so much time and resources on murdering, torturing brainwahsing and imprisoning the people he's meant to be protecting? -
Quote:It wouldn't - nothing can spin Tyrant as anything other than a villain, because he's powerful enough to be able to stop the Hamidon single handed, which combined with the sonic fence would mean he could keep Praetoria safe without needing to carry out crimes agaisnt humanity 24/7.Well, if they added more Hamidon and Devouring Earth stuff in Praetoria, they could easily salvage Cole from mustache land.
By making Tyrant so powerful, and showing how effective the sonic barrier is, the devs have undermined any attempt at justfying his crimes.
If there were no Seers, no Enriche, no torture chambers, no slaughter houses and no secret prisons, no Praetors, no experiments on living humans, no disappearances, no propaganda and no repression, there'd still an incredibly powerful guy who could solo the Hamidon, along with an incredibly effective sonic fence to protect the city.
None of Tyrant's crimes are things he had to do - he could have chosen to serve the people as a hero, like on Primal Earth - but inseated, he chose to take an evil path, and rule rather than serve.
Tyrant's crimes aren't connected to the threat of the Devouring Earth - he's already shown he can defeat the Hamidon and protect the city - his crimes all come from his fear of human beings and their free will. -
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Quote:The Floating Fortress isn't in Independence Port - the preview just mentioned the new battleship in Independence port.At the risk of repeating myself, and thus labouring the point, it was mentioned specifically as IP. Having mostly villain characters (and really not wanting to make them rogues or heroes), I find this new and cool content very disappointing.
Well, the game is called "City of Heroes" - and the developers work for Paragon Studios, not Rogue Isles StudiosQuote:This game is either heroes or co-op (and I'm lumping Praetoria in that category) - since BSF, and market and ferry merges, villain side content has had little, if any, attention. 
We could have a spectacular underwater zone without needing to go in the waterQuote:That doesn't make him any less right about the impracticality of doing a worthwhile underwater zone.
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It can launch everything - I've deleted all the old CoH launch icons on my desktop and switched to using only the NCSoft Launcher.
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Quote:I think it's the Cinderella's Prince Charmning dress sense he has going on:Tyrant stomped Hamidon. If Hamidon is a real threat, and Tyrant stomped him, then why again isn't Tyrant a real threat?

A lot of people probably look at Tyrant and expect something do do with balls and glass slippers, rather than gaint war robots and genocidal world conquests. -
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Wisps = minions of Rularru - so NCSoft Launcher = Rularuu plot?
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Quote:Actually, it's not a "petty little dimension" - that's the whole point - that's why it's called Primal Earth - it's connected to far more dimensions than any other alternative Earth, so taking control of it would open up the multiverse in ways that couldn't be done from whichever alternative Earth any invaders come from.Plenty.
There's always someone who wants to invade our petty little dimension and enslave us. Tyrant can get to the back of the queue.
The Well of the Furies makes him more than just a mad emperorQuote:Not just some mad emperor and his tin man army.
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Well, they are - they're the acceptable way of adding a Nazi-style state to the game.
While the devs don't even risk adding swastikas to the 5th Column, Tyrant and the loyalists allow them to add "alternative Nazis", while still keeping it reasonably tasteful and not too offensive.
If you switch the loyalist star for a swastika, and dress the PPD up as the SS, then all the loyalist stuff about mass-murder, torture, repression, invasions to expand the empire and plans to wipe out millions of "undesirables" from the population of Primal Earth doesn't sound quite so good as content for a video game.
Praetoria allows the devs to present content that would be unsuitable if it was tied to real-world events.
And our sanityQuote:Rularuu is a Lovecraft meets Galactacus. Though I would personally love them to emphasize the lovecraft part a bit more, that would be an understandably big strain on art and animation departments.
First, we already know why he's invading, and second, I thought quite a few players would really welcome the chance to punch another Statesman?Quote:Cole is a bland, generic megalomaniacal overlord threatening the world for reasons to be explained later, made even worse by his being another alternate Statesman.
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Quote:Well, the Trials we've seen so far allow you to do the sameI find all these i20 previews boring. I've been well and truly convinced that the Incarnate system - and everything associated with it - isn't for me, so now I'm just sort of sitting here thinking "Yeah, well, what've you got for me?"
I'm sure there's more to i20 than Incarnate Trials; I just wish they would say something about that part.
At least i15 let me punch Nazis.
What exactly is there not to like about a crazed god-emperor who's the apparent champion of a mystical source of ultimate power than spans the multiverse launching an invasion of giant evil war robots to enslave an entire world?Quote:Welcome to the club.
CoX has got some absolutely superb villains that are screaming for more content and yet instead we have potentially the dullest villain group issue after issue. I have no idea of what else is in i20 but I really do hope there's more than just more Praetoria.
I'd far rather be punching Rularuu in the face than getting one shotted by guard towers for my Incarnate status.
Tyrant and his loyalist stormtroopers are exactly the kind of threat high level Heroes should be taking on. -
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