Gideon_F

I have to ask. After looking at Crimson Prime I notice a lot of simularities in look and even style of violence between him and Manticore. Is there any connection in character?

If they work a bodyguard inherent I think it would have to vary by the Armor. Anyone in the tankers bodyguard radius gets the following.

Inv: S/L def I'd go with 15% + 5% def
Stone: 10% all + Slow protection
Fire: 10% S/L + 40% Fire
Ice: 7.5% def + Status protections

Never happen but what the hell sounds good.

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Poster: KaliMagdalene
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Speaking of which, Gideon, which pool attacks do your tankers have?

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Neil has AS and Eyebeams if the epic pool counts. Some builds have Jumpkick cause it amuses me but I've been getting CJ.

Mr Fontaine has no pool attacks cept Fireball and Fireblast from the epic.

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Poster: Myrmydon
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Heh, I think I will try that on test when the veteran respecs come out. Just Jab and every Power Pool attack I can fit onto the character.

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Considering that you can get an attack with just about every movement pool you can get an attack chain of Brawl, (Flurry/JK/AS), and (Boxing/Kick) and still be a meatbag. Once Vet awards come out you can be the whiffinator using Brawl, Flurry, Boxing, and Sands of Mu (Shadow Maul). I'm going to have to have a Macro saying calling them all sorts of annoying things like...

"Hundred fists death Kombo!!!! FLAWLESS VICTORY!!!!"
"Mega Super Extreme Special Combo"
"712 Northern fists of the Tengu"
"Take this, this, this, this, that, this, and an uppercut!"
"Fast as fast can be you'll never hit faster then me"
"Last time you saw hands moving this fast...... Oops can't say that. Never mind."
"I want to swing 8 times in 3 seconds and miss just like Synapse."
"Warrior needs food badly".

In case you were wondering yes I could be that bored.

This is a direct quote on it. A few of us have been asking red names questions on it.

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Re: Gauntlet doesn't work anymore on (some?) AVs
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It has been this way for a loooooong time, it's nothing new. Certain levels of enemies are simply too smart to fall for the old "I hit you, so now you hate me" level of taunt.

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Luckily for me my method of aggro control is an extremely violent beatdown of the AV so they don't care as much about Blasters and Scrappers

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Poster: KaliMagdalene
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(looks at the "Nerf Me" sign Gideon taped to his own back)
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Prior to issue 5, I'd believe you're outdamaging scrappers. Not sure about blasters, though. Now? Who knows.

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New T-Shirt

http://www.arscoh.com/v/Gideon+Fonta...f+MeT.jpg.html

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Poster: KaliMagdalene
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Poster: Gideon "The Heavy Assault Scrapper" F
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Given that Taunt auras aren't sudposed to work and Punch-Voke has little to no effect (leaning towards none) that must mean that I'm trumping the dmg output of Scrappers and Blasters I've teamed with then.

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(looks at the "Nerf Me" sign Gideon taped to his own back)
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Prior to issue 5, I'd believe you're outdamaging scrappers. Not sure about blasters, though. Now? Who knows.

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New T-Shirt hehehehehehehehehehehe

http://www.arscoh.com/v/Gideon+Fonta...f+MeT.jpg.html

Thanks for the idea Kali.

Given that Taunt auras aren't sudposed to work and Punch-Voke has little to no effect (leaning towards none) that must mean that I'm trumping the dmg output of Scrappers and Blasters I've teamed with then.

I really wish there would be an official stance on what the Tankers role in AV battles is. As it stands now the tankers role is "Take the alpha and spam taunt".

I get a feeling that Taunt-bot role is "working as intended" because a tanker doing nothing but spamming taunt seems to be part of the devs balance as shown by us being unable to hit moving targets for 3-5 months.

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Poster: Liquid
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Huh. I'm Inv/SS and I run perma-rage, and I sure can't, and neither can my two Inv/SS tanker sgmates. At least, I assume we can't, because we can't hold aggro without Taunt anymore.
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Are you slotted with 3 damage 3 recharge, and/or are you using hasten, by any chance? Because I don't have hasten, nor do I have more than one recharge per attack.
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Also, my DM/Regen had no problem taking Nightstar's aggro from one of my SS Tanker friends the other night.

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My attacks are slotted for 3 dmg with 2 rech and 1 end. My Rage has 3 to hits to get extra acc. When I need to tank I have on Inv as well. I can let loose a non stop chain of attacks consisting of AS/Punch/Hay/KoB/Stomp.

Possibly the non stop attacks that are hitting for 280% of base dmg and the pulsing of the aggro aura are combining to make it harder to rip aggro away.

Could be a bit of luck as well that all the times I draw aggro with attacks and the aggro aura that I lucked onto what the AV hated at the moment he launches an attack by pure attrition.

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Poster: docbuzzard
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Poster: Gideon "Heavy Assault Scrapper" F
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I've been playing alts mainly but i have been called in to smash AVs. Since I generally dish out dmg on par with the Blasters and Scrappers. They don't trump my aggro very often.

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Problem is, that's only possible for energy melee. Other tanker secondaries would be surpassed by blasters and scrappers.

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Nope the main one I bring out for AV smashing is my Inv/SS. With Perma Rage you can out dmg or come close to the Blaster/Scrapper damage barring the cooling off periods.

Though my Inv/EM is a beast as well.

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Poster: Liquid
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I have to ask: Why didn't the Tauntless tankers like Gideon and Panzerkatze notice this earlier? Are you folks playing other ATs? Not fighting AVs? Teaming with Tankers that do have Taunt? Teaming with groups where you are dealing the most damage? Did you just come back to the game recently?

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I've been playing alts mainly but i have been called in to smash AVs. Since I generally dish out dmg on par with the Blasters and Scrappers. They don't trump my aggro very often.

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Poster: HeckTender
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Not sure what you're trying to say. No one is argueing that a Tanker can make a somewhat unique contribution on non-AV teams. They under-damage Scrappers, but they control aggro and are less likely to die. The point is that if a non-Taunt tanker can't tank an AV, what point does a tank have in an AV battle. The answer clearly is none. A tanker's sole and singular pupose in an AV battle is to keep aggro. The tanker's inherent doesn't allow him to do that. Sure a tank can contribute damage, but it will be less damage than other ATs with *nothing* to compensate for that lack.

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Actually you pretty much noticed what I was saying but kinda glossed over it. Going by the base dmg modifier for Tanks (.8)and the base dmg for Scrappers (1.15) It seems like Tankers do less dmg but that isn't always the case. I'll pick a few as an example.

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Disembowel - 5.4444 Lethal // Head Splitter - 7.2222 Lethal
Soaring Dragon - 5.0000 Lethal // Golden Dragonfly - 6.3333 Lethal
Crane Kick - 5.4469 Smashing // Eagles Claw - 6.3363 Smashing

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VS
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Swoop - 6.3333 Lethal // Cleave - 7.6667 Lethal
Energy Transfer - 4.3333 Smashing + 8.3333 Energy // Total Focus - 2.7778 Smashing + 7.1111 Energy
Heavy Mallet - 6.3333 Smashing // Seismic Smash – 9.89 smashing
Haymaker - 4.5556 Smashing // Knockout Blow - 9.8889 Smashing

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Multiply the numbers by the base AT mods and you will have very simular numbers. The dmg by the Tanker however is slower not lower due to the powers having longer recharge and heftier end recharge. What the Tanker loses in speed he gains in the ability to take a shot that would 1 shot all but the most sturdy Scrappers. The less likely to die bit does give them a home on an AV team because they don't have to be baby sat by the Conts/Defs as much.

The big issue is our inherent should work to some degree not be completely be ignored so that a Tanker that wants to go full out "Heavy Assault Scrapper" on an AV or GM will have most of it's attention so it looks for alternate targets a lot less.

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Poster: docbuzzard
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Poster: Gideon "The Heavy Assault Scrapper" F
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That means we can only use our inherent on Minions, LTs, and Bosses and it is the ONLY inherent that is limited to targets of low consequence.

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See. Join the MeatSack(tm) bandwagon. All the cool kids are.

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Meatsack?! I hit build up and I kill things. The only difference now is people know I'm not holding aggro from the AV.

I had a choice between about 10 defenses that do next to nothing costign 70% of my slots or bare bones def of about 3-4 good powers and 6 slotting any attack that will drop a bad guy in 3-5 seconds.

You can tell my choice from the following on test... That and I like reminding people that Tanks are "Heavy Assault Scrappers" approaching a combat like... Well a tank and the first thing hit by it's cannon is going to die while it looks for a new target to gratuitously smear across 2 time zones.

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11-26-2005 18:14:03 [TANKER TEST] da5id: stats?
[TANKER TEST] Neo-Mitzi1: 2003 xp/min, highest today
[TANKER TEST] da5id: wow
[TANKER TEST] Neo-Mitzi1: 15% higher than the scrappers
[Team]ERG-1: scrank for the win!
[TANKER TEST] da5id: those small maps really make big diff
[TANKER TEST] Neo-Mitzi1: on a similar map
[Team]Neil Fracas: that was my scranker style. CHAAAAAAAAARGE!!
[TANKER TEST] Neo-Mitzi1: it was a thing of beauty
[TANKER TEST] Myrmydon: Interesting. A Scranker can contribute to a team as well as or better than a Scrapper
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Neil Fracas (38)
Neo-Mitzi1 (17)
ERG-1 (36)
Cap. Capitalism (20)
Radial Splendor (3)
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Scranker beats the Blaster by 2 with no AoEs

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I've had a confirmation.

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Re: Gauntlet doesn't work anymore on (some?) AVs
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It has been this way for a loooooong time, it's nothing new. Certain levels of enemies are simply too smart to fall for the old "I hit you, so now you hate me" level of taunt.

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I am still waiting for an official stance to be taken on the Tanker Inherent and how it is to be used. Obviously it is not sudposed to be used on AVs, Giant Ms, and Players. There is a possibility it is not sudposed on work on Elite Bosses and pets.

That means we can only use our inherent on Minions, LTs, and Bosses and it is the ONLY inherent that is limited to targets of low consequence.

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Poster: Cicle
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No, you asked for a read reciept and got one. That they haven't responded to you specifically in a manner you'd accept as timely is irrelevant.

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In all fairness I might have been misquoted in some way. I NEVER asked that I personally be responded to. I said the post needed clarification. That was the title of my PM as I posted earlier. I never expected the thread to be addressed.

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A post that could use clarification

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No one ever "asks" for a read reciept. You check that off and if it is read you get a notification. As for responding to me specifically or timely. I never expected any response because it involved Tankers which I have previously said was in the "When hell freezes over" schedule.

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Poster: Aett_Thorn
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First off, based on conversations with him, I know that Castle very rarely opens a link sent in a PM. Direct him to the thread, and maybe he'll look at it. But he might not click on the link.
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Also, Posi's mailbox has been full a lot recently, he might have more important PMs to deal with.
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I'd like a Dev or Redname response on this, but with Halloween and I8 right around the corner, who knows when we'll get one.

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I agree with these comments. I can understand not wanting to click a link but it was clearly a thread here as can be told from a casual glance at the URL and the title of "a post that needs clarification". My fault for not listing the name of the thread and where it is located.

As for Posi's PM box being full he read the PM or at least clicked it so that isn't a factor.

Regarding the I8 and Halloween events likely they will back burner anything but the most important bugs. However history shows that Tanker concerns aren't back burnered. They are put in a fridge to collect mold then eventually discarded.

The responses to my PMs. The lack of any text by Positron and Castle means that there was none. Just see what was said and continue ignoring it because it is Tanker related.

10/16/06 05:51 PM
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Read Receipt
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From: _Castle_
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Your private message at http://boards.cityofvillains.com/login.php to _Castle_ about 'A post that could use clarification' has been read.

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10/16/06 06:48 PM
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Read Receipt
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From: Positron
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Your private message at http://boards.cityofheroes.com/login.php to Positron about 'A post that could use clarification' has been read.

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Poster: Vox_Populi
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I haven't noticed this problem because I always use Taunt on AVs, but I hope a Dev comments on it. Hopefully, if Gauntlet doesn't work on AVs at all it's just a bug that will be fixed. If AVs just resist Gauntlet when their "triangles" are up, well, that would still anger a lot of people but at least it would make a little sense, since Controllers face the same problem (and at least we still have Taunt.)
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It would be nice if this discussion could be done with less whining and self-loathing, though.

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True but then I remember that Tanker attacks had a bug that wasn't letting them hit moving targets for 3-6 months so there is a bit of a vibe that Tanker concerns are on a "When hell freezes over" schedule that makes some of us cranky.

I sent this PM to Castle and Positron but I'm not holding my breath on a reply since it involves the Tanker AT.

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A post that could use clarification
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http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showf...art=1&vc=1
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With AVs and players being immune to Tanker taunt Auras and their Inhererent does that mean that those powers are only meant to be usable on pets, minions, LTs, and Bosses?
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I'm unsure if Elite Bosses are affected by Taunt auras and Punchvoke.
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Does that mean that it is meant that a Tanker has to take taunt because his Inherent and aggro aura are not allowed to be used on Players and AVs? If so Tankers are getting the shaft all round by being the only AT with an inherent not allowed to work any time it is applicable.

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We should all ask about this.

If our Inherent/Taunt Aura is not sudposed to work in PvP. If our Inherent/Taunt Aura is not sudposed to work on AVs. Then is our Inherent/Taunt Aura only sudposed to work on minions, Lts, Bosses and mabye Elite Bosses.

Truthfully I wouldn't bet on it working on Elite Bosses. Tankers are REALLY getting the shaft all round.

I vote we rename the Tanker AT "Regen"

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Poster: Zobragas

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Dude! Those're some very awesome costume designs! I hope they do ALL of them! (I think the Rose picture-cape is just gorgeous!)

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They/he/she must be hired!!!!!

THe sketch looks very good so far. I know the chr and the player that owns archmage.

http://www.arscoh.com/v/Archmage/Archamge.jpg.html

Thank you Snowlily. The PNGs work very well.

Gen H teamed with Ars Nemesis visiting a city that is about to have unexpected renovations.

http://www.arscoh.com/v/Gideon+Fonta..._BG2_.jpg.html

Gen H likes nature as well.

http://www.arscoh.com/v/Gideon+Fonta..._BG2_.jpg.html

And the obligatory T-Shirt.

http://www.arscoh.com/v/Gideon+Fonta...GenHT.jpg.html

"Jacket" is missing. I took a screen shot of it's location in the costume selection. I miss it.

http://www.arscoh.com/v/Gideon+Fonta...+suit.jpg.html

My guess is Malta or DE being the huge force described here. Both Malta and DE are the most dangerous groups IMHO. There isn't many ATs that can blow off Malta or DE.

"Issue 10 is a ways out, but it will bring us an update to an old familiar villain group. This group will have their power center altered and bring about massive changes to the game as a whole. Heroes and Villains will find themselves banding together against a common threat."

Council might be it if they are over thrown by the 4th column but I doubt it. CoT are over hyped being the respec heavies for CoV so can't see them getting more press.

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OK, I couldn't resist.

I apologize for the smuggy building. this was just a quick 'for fun' edit. its very sloppy, and just 'because I could'

>.>

15 minutes, google and photoshop. I need something to do...

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Hehehehehehe. I can play with that pic easy. Thanks.

I use Paint Shop Pro 8. I'm able to make banners out of things with it but I'm not what you would call skilled. Couldn't get the hang of Photo shop at all and haven't even reinstalled it after I did a reinstall.

I've hand edited with Paint but a picture that size would be maddening.

Last time I asked I tried but it never worked for me and I got pretty frustrated even trying to copy the image to a clip board.

I've had little to no luck putting these on a background. The only way I could is hand editing every pixel and that is a new level of tedious.

As for BGs looking for something cool kinda urban in nature but very flexable there.

http://www.arscoh.com/v/Gideon+Fonta...Full_.jpg.html

http://www.arscoh.com/v/Gideon+Fonta...Half_.jpg.html