GMan3

I can't speak for stalkers since I haven't played one for a few years now. Still though, if it was fixed for stalkers hide and not for other toons stealth (which is considerably weaker in comparison) that would seem a little inappropriate to me. I would like to see someone's reasoning if that is the case.

EDIT: Just took a stalker through a "lead" mission and even though I had my hide on, the NPC followed just fine. Might be that specific mission though.

OK, so we have three starting zones now with three different levels of difficulty. So why are you complaining? Really, the CoH starting area IS a joke and while CoV is better, it still isn't much of a challenge. People who actually want a challenging start to the game get to go to Praetoria then. Now THAT sounds fare to me and if you actually think about it, you will probably agree. It's also the ONLY starting area that you can not change the difficulty . . . think maybe that was done on purpose? I do.

I think at this point though, I would recommend to the Dev's that in the character creation screen where we are given a choice in what area to start, that an auto-screen pops up to tell us the difficulty levels of the three areas. Or maybe just list it below the Icons for the three areas.

At this point the only really appropriate complaint (IMO) is that the higher level toons can not go to Praetoria yet (though that is complained about more in-game than in the forums). It has already been said in the last on-line Q&A that it will be happening soon so that complaint is moot too.

As for Captain Fabulous's rant . . . something tells me you won't be heading out any time soon. If you do though, good luck in all your future endeavors (I am being sincere here, no joking/sarcasm intended).

You can get the old drivers back, but I do not think that is your problem. If it was, the forum would be filled with people complaining that the new NVidia drivers have killed their game instead on just one or two. Still though, do talk to the techs. They can figure it out better by taking over your computer and tooling around with it.

No problem. I hope it works for you too.

That was fixed? When? I play a demon/dark MM that has never been able to use it's stealth power, and a Widow who can never use her stealth, if I wanted a kidnap victem to follow. By the same token though, NPC's that fought with me have always followed along no matter what power I use.

Any experience would be nice. If it was just one ambush it really would have been too easy, but after the second I was out of endurance and after the fourth I was out of blue inspirations, then came the fifth ambush and geesh. It was fun though, I have to admit that. This scenario repeated two more times for me before I finish the mission too. No experience for all that was just a little disappointing. Maybe give minion experience for defeating the entire group? Anyways, just my opinion.

Thank you for fixing the floating cargo and crane parts, they did look a little strange.

The Shen ambush though may need some more work. Granted every ambushed died easily (too easy for a supposedly equal level ambush) but, none of them granted ANY experience.

Try deleting CoH from your computer and re-installing it. The one time I had this problem re-installing the game fixed it for me.

I find soloing in Praetoria to be the easiest yes. What I was saying though was that small teams do better than large ones in my opinion. Every time I have been on a large team, the deaths went up considerably. Could be just my own experience though.

I died plenty when I first started playing and I took it as a challenge to learn and "play better". Unfortunately I was trying to solo a dark/empath defender and it didn't go easy. Of the six people that I have talked into joining this game, all of them died A LOT in the first few levels. One of them told me that it was because this MMO it was so different from most other ones they have played. They all had a blast though and took it as a challenge as well.

I think I know the type of person you are talking about though. It's the ones that play for six months or so and then leave. The few like that I have talked too couldn't handle not being in Uber Teams of 20+.

I will say this though, Praetoria does seem to work better with smaller teams (2 or 3) than larger ones.

I could be wrong Purge, but I don't think we will ever see a Power Set Respec option. I can remember a few months back reading a red name post that basically said they would never entertain such a thing. But then again, the market merge was never going to happen either so who know. Btw, my "Search Fu" sucks, but if I can find the post again, I'll edit this post and set up a link to it.

First, let me lead off by saying that I NEVER said other peoples experiences in Praetoria are irrelevant. I find your attempting to put words in my mouth VERY insulting. Please do not do it again. I did say that until a certain poster verifies his experiences in the live version, instead of basically saying "It was like that in beta and I just know it will be the same in the live version", I would not consider their point since it lacked credibility. Plain and simple I wish I could tell the future as good as that person does, I'd go buy some lottery tickets right now.

Second, I am sorry you assumed that I had only used one toon in Praetoria. I never said that either. I simply talked about the one toon I felt was weakest AND I am having the hardest time with, yet still making it through the new content. As for my experiences I have found the scrapper/stalker to have the easiest times (though a stalkers inability to get back into "hide" with the rapid ambushes did make things harder), the blaster was the middle of the road, and the controller is having the hardest time. My defender so far has not been played enough to truly test this out though.

As for your experiences, how many of those toons were on the live version and how many on beta. My experiences have ALL been on the live version since I refused to join beta a few months back when I was invited. I didn't want to taint the experience of the "Real" game with bad experiences from beta. I have a feeling that a lot of people are doing just that, though I will admit I can't prove it.

Third, your basic statements on the relative strengths of the different enemies I can mostly agree with. I would make a couple minor changes, but nothing worth debating. I'm just not sure if I would consider them over-powered.

Fourth, Vet attack powers are nice and all, but completely unreliable in my opinion after about level 5. The only toon I have used them very much on is the Controller and I am still having damage issues with that toon which slows things considerably. My other toons just didn't need the extra fire-power to be honest.

Lastly, I will repeat something I said earlier with a small addition - "Overall though, I am not sure how much overpowered the enemies in Praetoria are. I really think the Dev's came up with a different "style" of playing than we are used too and this has proven difficult for some to adapt too (including me)."

Wow, a bunch was said there and if I had ANY experience with a controller (or a dominator), you might be right. Unfortunately, I don't and have almost no idea what you are talking about with "pulse sleep" and such. As for pulls . . . controllers have proven extremely inept at that (well, mine has anyways). Now for the attack chains, yes I am learning them and at level 18 they are just starting to be effective.

The Vet powers are good, yes and my endurance buffing pet has sped things up a little (i think). The Vet attack powers have proven helpful . . . when they hit, which seems to be about half the time or less, but that may just be my perception. Being able to fly at level 6 has proven to be the best bonus of being a long term Vet but, only because I could get to missions faster.

As for credibility, my scrapper, stalker, and blaster have done pretty good. The stalker did the best as a matter of fact, though not being able to get into hide during rapid ambushes proved to make things interesting. I am personally finding the controller to be having the hardest time. I have started a DP/rad defender too, but not played it much yet. AND my argument still stands, when they have the same problem on live as they did on beta, then get back with me.

Btw Dispari, you are one of the better people to debate with in these forums, but my last post was NOT sent to you. It was very obviously directed at one specific person (as opposed to the other posts in this thread that are just as obviously open arguments). Thanks for butting in though and letting me further go into my experience so far. Sorry for the lack of better detail, but I am tired now and have grown bored of this argument.

Overall though, I am not sure how much overpowered the enemies in Praetoria are. I really think the Devs came up with a different "style" of playing than we are used too and this has proven difficult for some to adapt too. Even so, I still do not like the Blast Masters nor the Pyrokineticists. But then again, that IS what is making them so fun to kill.

Your argument will warrant some credibility when you have the same situation on live as you did on beta. I won't argue with anyone that knows "that mission's going to be just as hard with a full team on live simply because of the Burn spam from the BM's", yet has not even tried to replicate it. So please post back when you do and tell us how YOU did. Thanks.

I will agree with you though. Those Blast Masters SUCK!!!! That's probably why I like fighting them.

I think I fall somewhere's in between you and EvilGeko, but I probably favor his argument slightly. My reason is simple. I have managed to get through the GR content in Praetoria on a controller. Decided to try out a Electric Control/Storm Controller and see where it would go. I knew in advance that the "control" aspect would help, but to be honest, the lack of damage has been a major hindrance and couple that with a high end burn. That makes things darn hard. Especially when it comes to multiple ambushes. Still though, I have only found it "too difficult" on two occasions (my definition being I have to visit the hospital 3 times or more in a single mission). This leads me to believe that both of you have gone to extremes in your arguments and I would ask you to both dial it down.

I will say though, that in my experience with the teams I have played on, most times people die once or twice and start complaining the mission/SF/TF was designed to be too hard. Very seldom do people want to take into account the "Luck" factor. My definition of this is when the dice is rolled, the numbers are crunched, and you lose instead of the enemies. I have also noticed that people definition of "I want my characters to occasionally feel moderately strong, y'know?" to be very different. Was Superman a Superhero because he could beat up common street thugs or was he Super because he could take on enemies as powerful or more so than himself and still win?

To finish this off, I'll go back to an earlier statement though, both of you have decided to take your arguments to the extremes and it might be time for you to both dial it back some.

Whether you call it the Underground or the Sewers, it's the same thing and my reasoning still stands, if you count the underground that makes it six zones, not four (since each of the above ground zones have their own "Underground"). Personally I love GR but, I will say this, if Paragon Studios is counting the Underground as a zone unto itself, then for the first time I will cry "boo" on this "expansion".

Actually Madadh, your problem of not being able to use your pre-purchased slots and the previous posters problem of not being able to buy GR is different, though they do come from the same source. I implied no great "Karmic" events for the previous poster, she couldn't buy the game for her husband because she waited till the last minute and the store was down. Her only choice was to wait and People like her I have no pity for.
People like you I felt sorry for since you were thinking ahead and the store going down stopped you from playing GR (unavailable slots and all). While your solution was the same as hers and the reason for needing the solution was the same (store being down), the situation requiring the solution was not (You were thinking ahead and her husband was not).
In short, I do not feel sorry for people who wait till the last minute, I do feel sorry for people that get messed with due to no fault of their own.

Any way you put it, you are trying to buy the product last minute. In this case it is you husbands fault and not yours, but that doesn't change the overall fact that you just need to be patient and wait for the store to come back on-line. Unless I miss my guess they are working that issue right now in order to make more money. I know I would if I was in their place.

Btw Perfect Pain, I love your avatar. I used to have a dog just like that as a kids.