Firemoth

Originally Posted by Zwillinger

We've been closely following your feedback regarding this topic, both here and on the Beta forums. Unfortunately Cheryl, the artist who worked primarily on the Gunslinger Character Modelling, has been extremely pressed for time creating new costume sets and as such hasn't been able to post directly on the beta feedback thread. That being said, the feedback and concerns expressed have been communicated to the art and production team.

To address a few points

We've been trying to add unique and different costume pieces for female options for the sake of overall variety, however I understand some of the concerns being expressed here, as does the rest of the Art and Production team. Moving forward, where possible, we will be making more gender neutral/male pieces created for females so as to more accurately reflect the Communities requests. Because each costume piece has to be individually created (we can't CTRL+C, CTRL+V the pieces from male to female unfortunately ), this does mean that we will be offering less overall unique options, however we feel it's important to address this concern.

If anyone took offense to our artistic choices, I apologize. It's not our intent to offend anyone.

Regarding the pretinting of costume pieces: While pretinted pieces give the artists the ability to provide some very unique materials and add more visual interest to select pieces, we don’t want to limit your creativity, either. Moving forward, we'll be offering both a pretinted and untinted option for all pieces which we choose to make pretinted.

Thanks

-Z

Originally Posted by Mr_NoBody

Wow that sucks... better watch you shines

Originally Posted by Rubberlad

FYI, I just opened a chinese fortune cookie and read the following:

"You and your wife will be happy in your life together."

So you see, its not just CoH that is culturally ignorant. Although I'm sure my husband will get a kick out of this fortune.

Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan

Yes and no. I mean I can't pretend to speak to what chain of decisions and events specifically lead to CoT v2.0 (I really like v2.1 though!) and the Reichsmann TFs. I wasn't there.

But as an artist who works independently for myself, also has relationships with the management chains of exhibition venues AND has done freelance work for over a decade, I can say that there are indeed things that managers from very corporate environments can do to shield their creatives and foster them to thrive.

For one, I have worked jobs that may have say a 15 day production time. But my better managers include usually 2-3 days production just for me to research, to play, to push ideas, to fail, to come back, etc. When that is not there, I can guarantee that whomever is hiring me will likely be getting my first ideas and my first takes on a problem.

Similarly, there is constrained client contact for my part as a creative worker when things are ideal for my working habits. Clients can be psychotic. (These forums--including myself maybe?) Some of them (unlike these forums) really lack imagination, narrative or visual. So good project managers know how to protect ideas while they are still developing. (As they asserted was the case with CoT v2.0 when it was leaked.)

But there also always is a need for critique. To cycle back. To bring client feedback into the creative process at a stage. And to have adequate time budgeted for modifications. On those 15 day jobs, 5-8 of those days are often for revisions alone.

Beyond this, there is also a lot of nuance that I'm not really prepared to articulate. I'm talking about stuff that takes place at the interpersonal level. Rapport. As I sit here recounting, my best managers are all former artists or went through full art or design programs. They understand the brutality of academic art critique and can deliver without beating around the bush.

The places I usually work as a subcontractor for are usually subcontractors themselves. And these are in competitive industries often: fashion, entertainment and media. The stakes are high. When you get an opportunity, you need to swing for the fences. Every time. Surprise and impress the client with what they didn't know they wanted while delivering everything they asked for; be willing to be bold and know that sometimes less is more; all while meeting budgets and deadlines. If you falter in your track record, someone equally and driven and five to ten years younger than you is waiting for a shot right behind you.

But again, somehow, the best managers I've had, despite the harsh realities of this work environment I know as an artist, find ways to foster a safe creative place where excellence can matter--even if just momentarily within the production studio or editing suite. And it's these experiences that make me ask some sweeping, broad almost existential questions in response to Zombie Man's critique of what some of the things coming out of the art department can lead us on the outside to believe.

I don't know what the answers are for them. I truly don't. Not just because I don't know the details of their work environment. As I said in my, I've tried my hand at project management. In my niches can pay phenomenally well if you've got the chops and can avoid burnout. But I hated it. I like to keep my hands dirty. I like being the practical expert not the overseer. My perfectionism makes me more suited to be in the trenches and not at the helm. So I've no idea what sort of managerial corrections are in order.

And yes, freedom in a work place can lead to the problems you and ZM outline. But I'll tell you as a working artist, lack of freedom can kill a work environment for any creative that sets foot there. So the adjustments that need to be made may be more subtle than we're giving credit here.

Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer

Angry WoW addicts who are mad because you don't play WoW and they therefore hack your Internet.
Angry porn addicts who are mad because you don't watch porn and they therefore hack your Internet.

There wouldn't happen to be a way to instigate a war between these two factions, would there?

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

Yes - he's still eating moon rocks too

Originally Posted by Mordakar

No. I specifically addressed this for a reason earlier. If you can play Masterminds at all, you've already handed over some money one way or another.

It's more a personal thing, as I'm positive if it went up in the market, people would pay. I'm just getting tired of being asked to pay extra for things I feel should already be obtainable in game. Extra enhancement inventory, a way to unslot enhancements that doesn't require a respec, etc.

Mastermind primaries were left out of power customization almost entirely as is. Since this idea revolves around using already existing assets, I'd be extremely turned off if suddenly we were asked to pay a premium to reskin pets.

Originally Posted by Siolfir

Have you seen Demon Summoning? Er, sorry, I mean Gunslinger Summoning?

Originally Posted by McCharraigin

Hah...see Sexy Jay, this is what your audience wants.....I sure don't, but I am outnumbered.

Lisa.

Originally Posted by Siolfir

Wait, so I have a Gunslinger MM primary?

Originally Posted by Chyll

As to the issue of having to make double parts of the women...

Why did we need two gloves (which really look a bit out of place with the rest of the Gunslinger & Prostitute set, btw)? Make one set of gloves and instead make second option for the legs - chaps for instance. Or pantaloons. Something.

Just review what all the elements are and make reasonable trade offs instead of the lazy approach currently in vogue.

Originally Posted by Red_Gren

Hair.

Sure, one can argue that the sensible person would select a hairstyle that wouldn't clip, but I can imagine a significant proportion of forum-goers who would rage at the idiocy of releasing a costume part that clips so badly with so many of their favorite hairstyles, or that they have to look at other people's horribly clipping costumes. And that, I believe is a pretty good reason for not including it. Disappointing, but understandable.

That said, I too am disappointed that I can't kit out a lady cow-poke with the gunslinger costume set. On the other hand, I'm not too disappointed that I don't get that silly gunslinger jacket. UNDERARM ROPES!?! What the heck!?!

Originally Posted by Zombie Man

And Positron, who used to have a say over the art department, is still harping on female henches as harems, despite the fact that we already have female 'pets' (Fortunatas, Seers, and the harloty harlequins) and YOU GAVE US A PROSTITUTE COSTUME FOR PLAYERS.

Originally Posted by Lothic

In a perfect game we would have:

A male "package" slider

Originally Posted by BrandX

They likely listened. In fact, I do believe they read the posts.

Now, really, let me ask, do you think they're going to let all that time and resources go to waste and not release it?

Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha

Women tend to dress more diversely in real life.

Ergo, they should get more diverse options in game. Men get the Huge model while Women don't, so that seems fair to me.


...
Also...you're making sense...this is scary. Who are you and what have you done with Golden Girl? >_>

Originally Posted by BrandX

It could find itself more prevalent with female MM pets. Something to consider, as it's what the devs have to consider.

Originally Posted by DumpleBerry

Maybe among certain players.

I'm sorry I don't have my Positron quote with me, but it's true. It's to head off prostitution.

Originally Posted by BrandX

Still, just retreading the Feedback thread and what makes anyone think this will get more dev attention?

I bet it gets the same dev attention.

Originally Posted by Lothic

Yes and as I pointed out a couple of posts ago there will always be a handful of people who'd abuse it and those people will simply get reported like anyone else who does stuff the mods don't like. There would be no "DOOOOM" over this - a few people would go wild with it for a week then it would pass just like everything else does. *shrugs*

Originally Posted by Lothic

To be clear I actually don't have much problem with the "sexy" being in this game. Clearly the Devs don't either at least as far as player costume items go. That's why it makes things that much more ironically silly when the Devs decide to stick to the excuse that things like MM female pets would be "crossing the line". I think the Devs have already established that they really have no problem crossing that line already.

Originally Posted by ShadowMoka

Positron has a lot of good ideas that sort of get ridiculed on by the rest of the team. Also, the way to get around that is to not dress the female thugs like they are about to start their shift at Joe's Skin Shack.

Originally Posted by Doc_Reverend

The thing that makes these Underwear Packs more irritating is the line Positron gave at the Player Summit for why the devs were wary of allowing full Mastermind minion custombility: they were afraid of the possibility of people making a Thugs mastermind with gun toting bikini girls.

I mean, seriously? You guys talk about "We don't want Masterminds with armies of strippers" but then give players stuff like this.

One of these things is not like the other.