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Quote:Hank Pym's still around because he never meant for Ultron to go out murdering. His creation turned against him. He helped fight Ultron to stop them even.Hank Pym aka Ant-man, aka Yellow Jacket, aka Giant Man, created Ultron, Ultron later killed an entire country, more or less just for the luls, I don't have the exact figure buts is likely more than the Bloodhaven figures, both Hank Pym and Ultron are still around.
And the *direct* consequence of the massacre of that state was for everyone grouping up and kicking Ultron's *** so bad it was comical. He was dead for a long time, eventually rebuilt because he's an AI and he left scrap code around that compelled old machines he'd made to rebuild him. I don't think anyone was saying that those involved wouldn't come back eventually (Though universally hated, which Ultron is), but the immediate response is for them to get a thorough *** kicking and be gone for a good while.
So you're kind of arguing against yourself here. Yes, they did come back *eventually* but the immediate consequences are what we're arguing about. Did anyone want a global scale beat down and character retirement for a while? I don't think so. -
Love that pic!
If I had something to add to this it's that your guidelines is more of a list of Don't that "Do's and Don'ts" and if there's one thing people don't want to read it's lecture.
And in all honesty the people who make those kind of mistakes aren't reading guides in the first place, so they're of doubtful help.
So some Do's to actually get into RP!
Start the Conversation: It can be a little intimidating to jump into an established setting, especially City of Heroes that's been going for so long. If you want to get involved though you're just going to have to be forward about it. Jumping into a conversation is the best way to get others to take notice of your character, have opinions and try be helpful. Or if you'd prefer to have more control over it, arrive with a few interesting questions to ask. The "Where am I? What's the sky?" character idea isn't one that can run for long, but asking about villain groups or looking for someone who can analyze some weird goo you found? Easy in!
Don't make your first character cringingly shy, abusive or moody. Just like in real life, people tend to ignore or avoid them.
Wing it: If you're not sure about an aspect of your character. Making it up on the spot is not at all frowned upon and is probably one of the best skills you'll pick up while you roleplay. Starting off with a Hero with a Secret Identity really helps you to get an idea of what people are going to ask new characters, while also giving you a convienent excuse for not answering people right away while you think about it. Can't tell all your personal details after all, or it wouldn't be a secret identity. Try not to have the answers to everything though! Even if you're right, it's a bit obnoxious to deal with.
It's Superheroes: Ultimately people like playing Superheroes for different reasons. Some like a mroe realistic approach, while some like the Truth and Justice vibe (And some jus tlike beating up giant robots). Thankfully City of Heroes caters to all of these sides, so feel free to go for the one your prefer! Superheroes are naturally larger than life and so being a colourful personality isn't even seen as all that weird. Everyone else deals with interdimensional travelers, aliens and advanced AI's on a fairly regular basis! So don't feel you have to be an average joe who can shoot fire. Feel free to make something a little weird. Just don't overdo it, people have got to be able to hold a conversation with you after all! -
Just wanted to pick this one up. Really? History proves otherwise? I think you're going to have some real difficulty backing this one up.
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Sure! But I don't think anyone from it is in this thread.
I admit the Arbiter in the Dusk Spider was weird, we'd have done fine with just a Commander. As really how Sueish is it being in charge of a group of people who infrequently try to kill you/get you in so much trouble your head explodes? With an amazing roster to draw from of a hard luck villianous Mastermind, a scientist who keeps trying to poison the troops with sandwiches, numerous failed experiments, a Bane Spider with narcolepsy and a shape shifting spy who can only speak in pidgeon english.
I kinda miss them now! It was like a disfunctional Suicide Squad. Which is really saying something. -
Quote:Don't think anyone's disagreeing with that, finding it hard to think of a reference though from the EU side that'd justify the "Half the people here do it"To be fair, about half the people telling him not to do it, are doing just the same thing in a different way.
Being the son of X character is pretty Sue-ish, but then so is chilling around X-characters house, because you're so awesome and best buds, or getting special privileges such as being able to set up an elite unit/squad of group Y.
The Dusk Spiders maybe? Not sure if a collection of Arachnos washouts and misfits used as cannon fodder counts as Elite though. -
Quote:I got a character in Longbow, so they make a fair few references to her ultimate Boss, Ms. Liberty. Never really had it become a problem, but then her relationship with her is relegated to water cooler gossip and the very rare, brief conversation.As for what I've seen before, in that, I was referring to characters being associated with NPC's through fiction, such as the NPC being a contact of peripheral character (rarely a main character); NOT being related to them. I've NEVER seen a player character related to an NPC being done well.
I've never said a player can't play something if they want too, but I will outline the boundaries where I find it just too rediculous or irritating for me to want to jump in with them. In this case, being blood relatives of important NPC's or major mythological characters is both over-played and just silly to me. Same if you claim to be thier best friend or "They owe everything to me" If you can find people who'll RP with that, then good luck to you (And the EU has plenty who would) but it's not my cup of tea.
Though I have dabbled with the idea of a joke character who 'claims' to be the real hero. Those Phalanx people would be nothing without him! But it'd all be lies of course. -
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Quote:I think the point trying to be made (Though probably not one that'll go anywhere) is that CB is saying he's refusing to play with hypocritical characters who believe their own sense of righteousness in their actions somehow excuses any misdeeds along the way. The obvious parallel being that since he *plays* one of these (If not Tomb, then almost certainly Twilighter and Nega have gone there), it rings just a little hollow.The feelings presented by CB is his own opinion and how he thinks the law or heroes should act, not Tombs, his character, his ficitonal character
Going to leave him pretty pressed for people to interact with on Union too. I'd love it if there were heroes that don't ever compromise on the law, but even Kumi has on occasion and she usually tries really hard not too. And got seen as pretty darn weird for doing so for a long time, as did Rhi who unlike Kumi has grown out of it, though into a way of seeing it all that few others have.
I don't think there is a perfect Hero anyway. Different approaches yield different results. Strict adherence to the law is too inflexible but compromise is a potentially slippery slope. No one's perfect, not even Superman, that's part of what comics are about. Exploring what it means to be a hero and making tough choices. Morals get tested, sometimes they have to sit aside or be revised and it leads to character growth! -
The moderator unlocked this thread because people said the discussion was getting interesting and that people would behave. Please don't prove them wrong, if you've got issues with someone stick them on ignore and/or take it up in PM's. Publicly announcing it isn't going to lead anywhere productive, there's no need to stir.
So yeah, not touching that one and moving on.
Warscythe seems to have a pretty good grasp of where that middle ground sits. I know the Corp has done some big stuff and I've even delved into it on occasions. Which is what I like about Unionverse there's things that have happened in the past that people bring along with them as history, both large events and small that makes the world seem a little more alive.
As long as they don't get so big as to start dragging in people who never showed any interest in the first place, or require people to see the world differently to how it's generally portrayed. If I do a short bit of RP in Dark Astoria, I don't want to find out a few days later that everyone's pretending Dark Astoria is fine and that what I thought was a quick plot in a shadowy city devoid of life actually doesn't make any sense any-more. -
It was, as he said, a generic you. Addressed to everyone who was reading it, including Shadowe himself.
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Well as said, the current Open Season plot line was doing this just fine until it breached the level where people not interested could no longer ignore it. Personally I won't ever join a 'Massive' plot as I find that unless you really, really ham up your capabalities you get lost as background noise while the plot itself unravels into a million sub plots that are almost impossible to keep up with. Eventually resolved by the few 'lead voices' in a rather unfufiling climax in which the bit part players stand around twiddling thier thumbs.
Which isn't to say you can't have 'Save the World!' plots, but a sense of urgency near the climax is best for those. Else you have people sitting around waiting for a chance to resolve it all and it starts to drag something awful and the whole things gets a bit farcical as others try to join in right at the end, so those there from the start spend an awful lot of time explaining what's happened to others to get them up to speed, sometimes more time than they actually spent participating and that's not much fun at all. -
That wasn't entirely clear! I thought the aftermath was on Skype, not the problems you have. Really not much we can do about that, the threads stopped short of going that crazy. What people do on Skype we can't help.
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Quote:They said that term hadn't started yet (Got American Friends, so I'd know!) and no one said the latter.They were going onto Long Island NY, district council websites to try to say that a school wouldn't hold that many students anyway and that none of them would have been there at that specific point. And then went as far to suggest that Tomb's psychological personality was inaccurate because that mentality would not manifest in a person until she reached her 20's!....among other things.
What on Earth would be classed as over analysing?
Yeah that'd be over-analysing, but neither of those things have happened in this thread. I think you're getting a little hysterical over this. Relax. -
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Makes sense why, if there was a super tough ranged character, it'd have to have really poor damage to offset it and I doubt people are going to find that much fun to play.
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Quote:I think your over dramatizing this, Union RP has worked fine for years now and nothings changed here. There was an issue with a highly visible plot people couldn't opt out of, something that's nearly always been a bad idea and practically no one is blameless of doing at least once.This whole RP thing is suppose to be a easy and harmless release from the daily toils of the real world and yet this segregation in Union RP is becoming more apparent because of over complication and over analysing of everything which has caused people to forget basic fundamentals and completely missing how simple RP concept can be built and then arguments like this crop up on regular occurrence.
I've gone over the "Power level not as advertisied" thing in other threads. I don't particularly like it when done to extremes, as it makes the character too effective to really include in a plot without fixing it all in minutes, or marginalizing everyone else who's in there. But it's not my biggest annoyance and some things just can't really be modelled in the game, or aren't because it's not a combat focused ability like Machine Empathy or certain Super Senses.
Probably my least favourite RP moment was with Fanservice Girl going along on a mission with someone who's forcefields were impervious, fast reacting and offensive. Which made me wonder as to why Kumi was even there, as she wasn't really needed. -
Quote:It's no longer issue, but if we were sticking with the "1000 kids dead" plotline I'd point out if you don't want the Consequences to match her Actions there's nothing but very unsatisfying RP ahead. People will want to see her locked away for good or dead. There's no rescuing the character from the scrap heap after that.Elizabeth is my main... and although I am prepaired to take her out of action for any lenghth of time that suits me too... (only if the plot doing that is good enough)... I am not going to kill her permanent.
I don't want to get involved though, because my characters aren't strong enough to be world shaking Heroes. They'd be fairly useless and sidelined for people who have the "World shattering titan" backstory. Not really my thing. I don't mind people doing it, but I also don't want to get involved. Shoving a mass event that helpfully 'forces' everyone to get involved is going to be pretty unpalatable to me. -
Quote:Because I've arrested CB's child characters a few times, for offences ranging from poisoning to mind control. They sometimes don't even wait until the next day to turn back up and tend to ham out the fact you're arresting a CHILD, how dare you arrest a CHILD? Which just causes mass hysteria from everyone and isn't particularly fun.I'm a complete outsider here, so this may be a stupid suggestion, but why don't the GG heroes just arrest Tomb? Yes, it's a free game world, but in-character actions are supposed to carry in-character consequences, aren't they?
Done it more than once too, don't get involved any more. -
So you didn't say...
Quote:She expects an attack... even big nuclear ones. She also made sure there are ways to survive this whole thing.
Quote:And most of the court are 'almost' impossible to destroy permently.
Quote:Anyway.. end conclusion here is that we have a group of rp-ers on Union that love the comic book extreme in hero and villain plots.. and a group that is tight but mostly are only rp-ing about school events and relationships. And they are willing to ignore the extreme part of the rp community on Union for that reason.
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Quote:The above is pretty much why I don't want to get involved and thanks for changing it so that's no longer a problem. There's certain lines of RP I don't particular like crossing and child cruelty or death is one of them. Invincible villains (Or heroes for that matter) are also kinda a personal peeve and when nuclear weapons aren't a threat I don't really see what my characters can do.She expects an attack... even big nuclear ones. She also made sure there are ways to survive this whole thing. If you think you cannot ignore it... and you like to be involved... that is why it is Open Roleplay. Please do!
Ofcourse heroes should hunt Elizabeth to death if they can.. As they should do with every court member. Ofcourse there is a prob with attacking the isles as Arachnos will not allow any heroic super force enter the isles. Even if it is to do something like this. And most of the court are 'almost' impossible to destroy permently.
Which becomes a compound problem when my character is totally unable to meaningfully punish people who's actions lead to the death of children. Yes we do need villains to make the RP work, but I don't *want* these kind of Villains and I would not enjoy this kind of RP at all.
I'm not going to say it didn't happen IC any more, but my character's won't get involved and likely won't mention it as I just don't like this kind of plot. It's still a bit of a stretch to ignore, but not an insurmountable one now. If you do like it, I'm not stopping you playing it but I'm not going to read about it or talk about it and if forced on me I will ignore it. -
Yeah, I don't like the Court stuff or CB's plots but I don't mind them happening until they become so shambling and monstrous they start to intrude in such a way that they're impossible to ignore.
While you were keeping it inside an Open RP thread I didn't read, I didn't mind. When it starts to spill out into the overall meta-plot it becomes a problem. -
Quote:"Ignore what?"Or the majority of people will simply ignore it, and carry on with the more fun part of Open Season, which was easily explained and played.
"This plot, which I've been happily ignoring up till now and will continue to do so"
"No, no I was acting like I'd all ready forgotten it"
"Forgotten what?"
"I hate you" -
While I was doing a little RP with March Hare with Z we were doing some city watching from the Bluff and we were both surprised when a giant tentacle (We're talking building sized) lashed up and whacked the sonic fence before retreating back into the forest. So yeah, that's pretty good evidence!
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Two more! With another funny one.
Rattleslap - Hurt
Bangwiches - Bombs